The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[redsoxrules]

they offered 3/51 for riveira ? holy s***

[Dojji]

Would have to be for a Catcher if anything right?

 

For prospects, I would think. You don't make a deal like that to fill a position of need.

[italstallianion]

For prospects' date=' I would think. You don't make a deal like that to fill a position of need.[/quote']

 

 

Unless the team that wants Papelbon happens to have a very good prospect/player that fits the position we need.

 

(and that said team is willing to trade said prospect)

[example1]

For prospects' date=' I would think. You don't make a deal like that to fill a position of need.[/quote']

 

Huh? I would think a deal like this is exactly how you would address a position of need. I don't see an obvious catching option, but if there were moving Papelbon could make sense.

 

Of course, I'm also okay with them keeping Papelbon and having he and Jenks as bullpen-aces #1 and #2. Then they should use Bard as their highest leverage pitcher, preferably outside of the 8th or 9th. That's a dangerous trio.

[BSN07]

For prospects' date=' I would think. You don't make a deal like that to fill a position of need.[/quote']

 

So if Paps can fetch them a a good Catcher they shouldn't do it because it's a position of need? Instead they should hold out for a deal for prospects? I'm going to need an explanation. I can't wrap my head around this. Maybe I'm just missing something simple

[BSN07]

Huh? I would think a deal like this is exactly how you would address a position of need. I don't see an obvious catching option, but if there were moving Papelbon could make sense.

 

Of course, I'm also okay with them keeping Papelbon and having he and Jenks as bullpen-aces #1 and #2. Then they should use Bard as their highest leverage pitcher, preferably outside of the 8th or 9th. That's a dangerous trio.

 

I'm also fine with keeping him. I don't think there is any obvious candidate out there either. Maybe Montero if AZ was looking to make a big splash for closer. I'm sure the Sox would have eat a good chunk of money. But AZ could value the picks they could collect next off season as they continue to build under the new regime. I suppose, I actually think they could dangle him closer to the TDL, especially if Jenks and Bard are on form and the ox have a real need to fill.

[Dojji]

So if Paps can fetch them a a good Catcher they shouldn't do it because it's a position of need? Instead they should hold out for a deal for prospects? I'm going to need an explanation. I can't wrap my head around this. Maybe I'm just missing something simple

 

If you're dealing off a vet, you take the BPA, you don't focus on team needs. If the BPA happens to be a catcher, fine

[a700hitter]

Trading Papelbon for a prospect would leave a hole in the bullpen. I don't see that happening.

[Dipre]

I'm also fine with keeping him. I don't think there is any obvious candidate out there either. Maybe Montero if AZ was looking to make a big splash for closer. I'm sure the Sox would have eat a good chunk of money. But AZ could value the picks they could collect next off season as they continue to build under the new regime. I suppose' date=' I actually think they could dangle him closer to the TDL, especially if Jenks and Bard are on form and the ox have a real need to fill.[/quote']

 

Arizona signed Putz to close, and they wouldn't have an obvious replacement for Montero, so it doesn't really make a lot of sense from their perspective.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wheeler is a good depth move. He reminds me a lot of David Robertson. Sneaky fastball with surprising K numbers, although Wheeler is much more accurate

[BSN07]

Arizona signed Putz to close' date=' and they wouldn't have an obvious replacement for Montero, so it doesn't really make a lot of sense from their perspective.[/quote']

 

I forgot about Putz.

 

I also say there would be no obvious match if it was for a Catcher at the moment. Montero was the only one I could think of, but now being reminded they have Putz, it makes little sense.

[jacksonianmarch]

The DBacks committed to Montero when they dealt Snyder

[BSN07]

The DBacks committed to Montero when they dealt Snyder

 

Ya I posted without thinking. My attention is on football at the moment lol

[sandiegosoxfan]

I'm OK with them keeping Pap another year.

 

However I do think they need two lefties in the pen. I love Doubront but think his long term growth would benefit from at least starting the year in Pawtucket.

 

They should sign Arthur Rhodes and another FA lefty so they can have both a LOOGY and a guy who can occasionally take the 6th or 7th inning and force some of the left-handed hitters out of the game. Our 80% right-handed starting corps is going to give rise to a lot of lefty-heavy starting lineups from our opponents. Might be especially key against the Yankees.

 

On that note, I have a hunch Theo may be looking for a seasoned #5 starter who throws from the south. This would help offset aforementioned right-handedness in the bullpen, especially in the 6th-7th innings. I realize Jenks, Bard and Papelbon do fine with lefties.

 

For the right deal, I could see Pap, DiceK or even Kalish or Ellsbury being moved.

[TheKilo]

The best thing in my opinion (other than having an awesome bullpen) is that since Dan Wheeler is already a type A FA' date=' if he pitches reasonably well he can still be a type A FA at the end of the season (or the following season if his option vests) which means we can either resign him or flip him for picks.[/quote']

 

I think this is inaccurate. If Wheeler is a type A, the Sox can't offer arbitration according to his contract. But, if he pitches well enough to be a type A this season his option will vest.

[TheKilo]

Wheeler is a good depth move. He reminds me a lot of David Robertson. Sneaky fastball with surprising K numbers' date=' although Wheeler is much more accurate[/quote']

 

Except for that whole track record of success in the AL East thing.

[italstallianion]

I think this is inaccurate. If Wheeler is a type A' date=' the Sox can't offer arbitration according to his contract. But, if he pitches well enough to be a type A this season his option will vest.[/quote']

 

 

I'm not sure about that, but in any case, if he pitches well enough to be a type A and his option is vested, then couldn't we flip him for draft picks the following year? (Assuming that the Red Sox would rather dump him than resign him, if he's still good I'd still resign him)

[TheKilo]

Possibly. All I know is if he is a type A after this year the Sox can't offer him arb, so no picks.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Something to think about -

 

Next year (2011 offseason), we've got Ortiz and Drew coming off the books. Both left handed hitters, but Kalish is the favorite to replace Drew as he's cheap and very talented. After another year at AAA, I am going to assume he'll progress even more and I'll say he'll be our 2012 RF. So that still leaves 3 lefties in our outfield.

 

Does this mean, more or less, that Ortiz is gone next year? Given, at 12.5mm for a DH, he's not going to get paid the same, but don't you think Theo is going to want to go with a right handed bat with versatility to play a position?

 

I would assume we would go with an OF/DH player, as that would allow the most versatility for giving Crawford, Ellsbury, and Kalish all days off via DH'ing, and still provide a strong bat. So looking at the potential FA class, Bautista is the only RH bat that sticks out in my head, and I'm very tentative to look at him because he had, what I consider, a fluke year.

 

There's also Beltran, Cody Ross, David DeJesus, and really, that's about it. I'm very curious as to how Theo approaches next offseason with the DH position. He's got a great chance to turn our Lefty Heavy lineup into a very balanced line up with versatility, but other than trades, I don't see many names I get too excited about.

 

Again - that's way way way in the future, just thought I would mention it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Pettitte still leaning toward retiring according to Brian Cashman. Tweet by Jack Curry of the YES Network.

 

 

If the Yanks don't get Pettitte, and they have to face the lefty-heavy Sox lineup with 80% right handed starters, look out. Could get ugly, fast.

[sandiegosoxfan]

I think they should try to get Beltran this year--he crushes lefties and could slide over to the full-time DH job next year unless Ortiz wanted to take a big pay cut and platoon.

[Dipre]

I think they should try to get Beltran this year--he crushes lefties and could slide over to the full-time DH job next year unless Ortiz wanted to take a big pay cut and platoon.

 

Good sir, i do not understand your fascination with Beltran, specially for this year. He has creaky knees, and we already have a RHH reserve outfielder who crushes lefties, can actually play the field, and makes far less money.

 

Beltran has an .889 career OPS vs lefties, Cameron has an .866 career OPS against them. Is the .23 difference in OPS worth the hassle of going over the luxury tax to get a ballplayer who's likely damaged goods?

 

Don't think so.

[Cocos Disciples]

Now that the stove has cooled off, I really really want it to be April. I cannot wait for this season.

[BornToRun]

Yeah, I've consistently lost interest in baseball and sports in general over the last 3 years. I made a vow to get back into and now that I've rediscovered my love of America's past time, it's only **** December!

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Sure, it wasn't because we picked up some great players this offseason? Almost three seasons ago we were WS champs.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Now that the stove has cooled off' date=' I really really want it to be April. I cannot wait for this season.[/quote']

 

Same here.

[BornToRun]

Sure' date=' it wasn't because we picked up some great players this offseason? Almost three seasons ago we were WS champs.[/quote']

 

Haha, no actually. Though I don't blame you for seeing it that way. I just figured I'd start paying attention to it all again, remembered how much I loved it.

[Interestedobserver]

Good sir, i do not understand your fascination with Beltran, specially for this year. He has creaky knees, and we already have a RHH reserve outfielder who crushes lefties, can actually play the field, and makes far less money.

 

Beltran has an .889 career OPS vs lefties, Cameron has an .866 career OPS against them. Is the .23 difference in OPS worth the hassle of going over the luxury tax to get a ballplayer who's likely damaged goods?

 

Don't think so.

 

 

 

I would bet Beltran has a much higher differential than that this year.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Just read that the Sox are still in on Brian Fuentes per Jon Heyman.

 

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm still up in the air about it. Guess it depends on the deal. Don't know how much I'd like to commit to a LOOGY, but at the same time having Fuentes, Doubront, Bard, Pap, Jenks, Wheeler, Atch, and Wake in the bullpen would be pretty solid.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Good sir, i do not understand your fascination with Beltran, specially for this year. He has creaky knees, and we already have a RHH reserve outfielder who crushes lefties, can actually play the field, and makes far less money.

 

Beltran has an .889 career OPS vs lefties, Cameron has an .866 career OPS against them. Is the .23 difference in OPS worth the hassle of going over the luxury tax to get a ballplayer who's likely damaged goods?

 

Don't think so.

 

Not to mention the fact that Beltran is a FA next year, so if we really wanted him as a DH, why would we give up players now? Just sign him in the offseason.

 

Either way, count me out on Beltran and Sizemore for that matter next offseason. Not worth the injury risk if you ask me.