The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[a700hitter]

Iglesias is already ready defensively. The only thing that we're waiting on is for him to get some AB's in the minors.

 

And in his 284 PA in A-AA, he put up a slash line of .295/.339/.379/.719.

 

He's basically going to be a .265/.335/.380 hitter in the bigs. Not a solid hitter, but his defense is going to be second to none. Which basically means we're not trying to wait for his power to develop, so we're going to get him up here ASAP. He'll be a September call up this year.

I'm betting that Lowrie lays claim to the job during the second half of 2011.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Who do you guys think is in on the Galarraga deal?

 

They're saying a deal is likely but won't release the interested teams.

[italstallianion]

In all fairness' date=' agreeing with suns both lowers your IQ and makes you automatically wrong.[/quote']

 

 

And in all fairness, I didn't agree with Suns. Suns had agreed with me. Which still would have scared me if I didn't already know that I was right.

[a700hitter]

My wife and I are moving to Boston this time next year' date=' and then to Tampa a few years after that. I told her that we can move where ever she wants as long as I can catch a fair amount of Sox games. Tampa has the best of both worlds - spring training and 9 games vs the Rays.[/quote']Tampa is about 2 1/2 hours from Ft. Myers. You'll be right near the Yanks ST. You should go there and leave banana peels all around the complex.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'm betting that Lowrie lays claim to the job during the second half of 2011.

 

I think that Lowrie will outperform Scutaro offensively, but I think he'll be a utility player all year only because Scutaro can't play 1st or 3rd, and we don't want an in-season revolving door at SS based on the health of our other infielders.

 

Having said that, in an ideal world, I think Lowrie would win the SS job by mid season. And I also think that Lowrie will be traded in the offseason and either the Sox will exercise Scutaro's option for 2012 or Navarro will be the back up utility IF.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Tampa is about 2 1/2 hours from Ft. Myers. You'll be right near the Yanks ST. You should go there and leave banana peels all around the complex.

 

Yup. My wife and I actually got married in St Pete Beach in October of last year.

 

Fort Myers would be a weekend trip. And the Steinbrenner Field (or whatever it says) sign got the middle finger every single time I passed it.

[Will617]

I think Scutaro gets traded this year, and Lowrie keeps Iglesias out of team at least through 2012. I have doubts about Iglesias' offensive ability. I also think that Kalish will prove himself next year.

And no, I'm not betting any beer on this. I don't have much for myself as it is. <_>

[a700hitter]

Yup. My wife and I actually got married in St Pete Beach in October of last year.

 

Fort Myers would be a weekend trip. And the Steinbrenner Field (or whatever it says) sign got the middle finger every single time I passed it.

Where on St. Pete's Beach did you get married? It is very beautiful there.

[Dipre]

I think that Lowrie will outperform Scutaro offensively, but I think he'll be a utility player all year only because Scutaro can't play 1st or 3rd, and we don't want an in-season revolving door at SS based on the health of our other infielders.

 

Having said that, in an ideal world, I think Lowrie would win the SS job by mid season. And I also think that Lowrie will be traded in the offseason and either the Sox will exercise Scutaro's option for 2012 or Navarro will be the back up utility IF.

 

I simply can't stress how massive Lowrie's value as an all-purpose backup who can hit above replacement level is. I'm fairly convinced there's reason for other people (including the organization) to think the same way. But we never know, and he may be traded.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The thing is - You have to keep the players happy, and Lowrie isn't going to be happy in a super utility role. He's made it perfectly clear that he wants to be a starting infielder, so I don't know how long he's going to be able to be the super utility guy in Boston.

 

Having said that - if he puts up 15+ HR and an OBP of .370-.390, would it be so bad to have him as a DH/Utility infielder? Theo has stressed numerous times that he wants a DH with versatility, and that could be Lowries role in 2012, which would allow Iglesias to DH. Unfortunately, we would lose a lot of pop, but we would have a switch hitting DH with a high OBP that could replace any infielder almost seamlessly.

 

The more I think about it, the more that sounds appealing, especially at Lowries cost. It all depends on how he hits this year and if he can get through a season injury free.

[diony]

He's basically going to be a .265/.335/.380 hitter in the bigs. Not a solid hitter, but his defense is going to be second to none. Which basically means we're not trying to wait for his power to develop, so we're going to get him up here ASAP. He'll be a September call up this year.

 

If that's the predicted slash line of your future SS, you guys better keep Lowrie around.

[BSN07]

Tampa is about 2 1/2 hours from Ft. Myers. You'll be right near the Yanks ST. You should go there and leave banana peels all around the complex.

 

[SoxFanForsyth]

If that's the predicted slash line of your future SS' date=' you guys better keep Lowrie around.[/quote']

 

Hey guess who's slash line last year was .270/.340/.370?

 

Oh. Derek Jeter. Guess you guys should probably shop for a new SS.

 

Guess who's career slash line was .262/.337/.328?

 

Oh. Ozzie Smith, who might I add consistently had a WAR of over 5. And yes, scouts have compared Iglesias to Ozzie Smith.

[The Celtbot]

Hey guess who's slash line last year was .270/.340/.370?

 

Oh. Derek Jeter. Guess you guys should probably shop for a new SS.

 

Guess who's career slash line was .262/.337/.328?

 

Oh. Ozzie Smith, who might I add consistently had a WAR of over 5. And yes, scouts have compared Iglesias to Ozzie Smith.

 

:thumbsup:

[EXman369]

Kalish will start 2012 just not sure if Iglesias will be able to start over Lowrie unless his number go down, it will probably be the situation like it is right now. How Lowrie will prolly win the job over hlaf way through the season from Scutaro, just like in 2012 were Iglesias will end up starting over Lowrie

[Dipre]

Hey guess who's slash line last year was .270/.340/.370?

 

Oh. Derek Jeter. Guess you guys should probably shop for a new SS.

 

Guess who's career slash line was .262/.337/.328?

 

Oh. Ozzie Smith, who might I add consistently had a WAR of over 5. And yes, scouts have compared Iglesias to Ozzie Smith.

 

Don't mind him, he's trolling.

 

He's hella mad because the Sox have assembled an obviously superior team for '11. Don't you see he's a hit-and-run artist?

[diony]

Hey guess who's slash line last year was .270/.340/.370?

 

Oh. Derek Jeter. Guess you guys should probably shop for a new SS.

 

Guess who's career slash line was .262/.337/.328?

 

Oh. Ozzie Smith, who might I add consistently had a WAR of over 5. And yes, scouts have compared Iglesias to Ozzie Smith.

 

Even if you're comparing him to a HoF, is not a good upside. Just saying I'd rather have Lowrie. In fact I would've kept Fuentes instead of Iglesias in the A-Gon deal.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Wait. Ozzie Smith doesn't have a good upside?/

 

Ok. This conversation is officially over. Anyone who says they would rather have Lowrie over Ozzie Smith, well, I just have no reason to argue because it's not going to end pretty.

[Palodios]

In 55 games, Lowrie had a 1.8 WAR last season. Iglesias has elite defense, but his bat still needs work, and he's yet to see the majors. Until we see more of Iggy--and to a lesser extent Lowrie-- making a judgement on who is going to be more valuable than the other is a little premature.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'm not dogging on Lowrie at all, I'm saying that if Iglesias lives up to his hype and is an elite defender, a line of .265/.335/.380 is perfectly acceptable.

 

Will he be a weak spot in our line up? Sure. But he will provide defense at the SS position that the Sox haven't seen in a very long time.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Don't mind him, he's trolling.

 

He's hella mad because the Sox have assembled an obviously superior team for '11. Don't you see he's a hit-and-run artist?

 

I'm still relatively new here, but yes. I am starting to see a bit of a trend.

[BSN07]

In 55 games' date=' Lowrie had a 1.8 WAR last season. Iglesias has elite defense, but his bat still needs work, and he's yet to see the majors. Until we see more of Iggy--and to a lesser extent Lowrie-- [b']making a judgement on who is going to be more valuable[/b] than the other is a little premature.

 

But discussions like this are what keeps sites like this one going.

[SoxFanForsyth]

According to one of Cafardo's Red Sox sources, Jonathan Papelbon will be available throughout the season, regardless of where the Sox are in the standings.

 

Probably a good idea. If Theo isn't going to re-sign him, which he may, I don't want to get in that argument again, but he's not going to offer Pap arbitration. No way he gambles with a 1 year/14-15mm deal for Papelbon. Might as well get as much as you can for him right now, because when the year is over, he's not going to give anything back to the Sox once he signs elsewhere. Just don't trade him within the division.

[Palodios]

But discussions like this are what keeps sites like this one going.

 

The problem with these two players is that we've already pretty much hit a stand still in discussion. Until we see more, we've pretty much looked at everything.

 

Iggy- pros: plus plus defense. FO seems to believe he'll be the SS of the future. Cons: no power. No evidence of how he'll hit in the majors.

 

Lowrie-- pros: hits good when healthy. Can play any infield position. 9 home runs in 55 AB. cons: health concerns. SSS. HR power not present in minor league stats. Defense may not be as good as we saw in 2010. He also suffers from sexy beast syndrome and may get other illness or diseases from it besides mono. (That last line proving how thoroughly discussed this has been).

[Palodios]

Probably a good idea. If Theo isn't going to re-sign him' date=' which he may, I don't want to get in that argument again, but he's not going to offer Pap arbitration. No way he gambles with a 1 year/14-15mm deal for Papelbon. Might as well get as much as you can for him right now, because when the year is over, he's not going to give anything back to the Sox once he signs elsewhere. Just don't trade him within the division.[/quote']

 

If he bounces back, offering him arbitration might be worth it. 1/14 for an elite closer coming off a good year isn't so bad, I don't think, and he has another good season, they'll get prospects for him the following year. The problem with trading him midseason is that whoever is looking for relief help is going to be a playoff contender, and I bet they wouldn't want to see him come back and bite them in the ass in the World Series.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If he bounces back' date=' offering him arbitration might be worth it. [b']1/14 for an elite closer coming off a good year isn't so bad[/b], I don't think, and he has another good season, they'll get prospects for him the following year. The problem with trading him midseason is that whoever is looking for relief help is going to be a playoff contender, and I bet they wouldn't want to see him come back and bite them in the ass in the World Series.

 

I don't know. I don't like it, not when you could probably get him for 1/10 or 2/20.

[Palodios]

If Papelbon has a great 2011, we're not getting him for 1/10. Consider that he only blew 3 saves in 2009, his agent could very easily argue that 2010 was just an off-year, and he could probably get an elite closer deal.

[EXman369]

Even if he becomes an elite closer again i don't think that the sox are willing to spend 15+ million a season on him, sure they gave an offer like that to Mo but i think that they knew going in that he would not accept it.

[diony]

Wait. Ozzie Smith doesn't have a good upside?/

 

Ok. This conversation is officially over. Anyone who says they would rather have Lowrie over Ozzie Smith, well, I just have no reason to argue because it's not going to end pretty.

You mentioned his career line, the only reason he is a hall of famer, are a) +2400 hits and 13 gold gloves and he played on a era were he probably was the best offensive SS.

 

My point is I'd rather have Lowrie if healthy at SS. Is not like Lowrie is an horrendous defender to justify having Andrus 2.0 in the everyday lineup.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You mentioned his career line, the only reason he is a hall of famer, are a) +2400 hits and 13 gold gloves and he played on a era were he probably was the best offensive SS.

 

My point is I'd rather have Lowrie if healthy at SS. Is not like Lowrie is an horrendous defender to justify having Andrus 2.0 in the everyday lineup.

 

Lowrie is going to be an average defender. Iglesias is going to be a gold glove caliber defender that puts up modest hitting stats, which, in a line up like the Astros or Pirates, would stand out, but in a line up like the Red Sox, they can hide his mediocre offense for his gold glove caliber defense.