Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

Feliciano has also dominated lefties and has shown he is as durable as any reliever out there. He has averaged 89 appearances over the last three seasons, and he held lefties to a .583OPS over the last 3 seasons. He and Logan should be solid left handed options out of the pen and if Marte can come back by the ASB, then bonus. Especially with the sox in division, this was a necessity that can be checked off the list of needs.

[italstallianion]

As long as Girardi isn't completely retarded and ONLY uses him against lefties, then you should be fine.

 

And I'm not taking a shot at Girardi here, I'm ripping on that idiot manager from the Rockies.

[Meh]

And I'm not taking a shot at Girardi here' date=' I'm ripping on that idiot manager from the Rockies.[/quote']

 

I think you're confusing him with Fuentes. He played for the Rockies a few years ago.

[jacksonianmarch]

Looks like the Yankees are trying to trade for Jeff Keppinger as their utility man. This can only mean that Nunez is headed to AAA and who knows what with Pena

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks offered 2yrs and $10 mil to Wood and he turned it down to sign for $1.5mil in Chicago. He really wanted to go back

[BSN07]

Yanks offered 2yrs and $10 mil to Wood and he turned it down to sign for $1.5mil in Chicago. He really wanted to go back

 

Or he really didn't want to pitch in NY . Either way that's a lot of money to leave on the table.

[a700hitter]

Yanks offered 2yrs and $10 mil to Wood and he turned it down to sign for $1.5mil in Chicago. He really wanted to go back

I am glad that guys like Lee and Wood turned down the Yanks money and went to other teams, but IMO they are schmucks. This is their livelihood and they will need to provide for themselves in a retirement that will start at about age 40.

[MANNYHOF24]

I am glad that guys like Lee and Wood turned down the Yanks money and went to other teams' date=' but IMO they are schmucks. This is their livelihood and they will need to provide for themselves in a retirement that will start at about age 40.[/quote']

 

Yeah, I really think Lee is going to have a hard time living on 138 million dollars for the rest of his life. I wish him the best of luck.

[Palodios]

Lee makes more in a year than a lot of doctors do in their lifetimes. I think he'll be fine.

[italstallianion]

Yeah' date=' I really think Lee is going to have a hard time living on 138 million dollars for the rest of his life. I wish him the best of luck.[/quote']

 

 

It also doesn't seem like baseball players are as poorly trained with their money as a lot of football and basketball players are. Not to mention that they don't have to spend as much money on medical procedures after retirement that football players do, and the fact that people are able to retire later in baseball by bringing home more years of paychecks.

 

Cliff Lee also doesn't seem like the type who would blow all his money on a mansion, racecar, hookers and an 8 ball.

[a700hitter]

Yeah' date=' I really think Lee is going to have a hard time living on 138 million dollars for the rest of his life. I wish him the best of luck.[/quote']People tend to live up to their means. He's not going to live a lifestyle like a middle class American. In 20-25 years when inflation has reduced the value of a dollar by 75%, he'll still be living the same lifestyle. Cash flow can become a problem when everything costs 3 times what it used to cost. Add to the mix some bad investments and maybe a crooked advisor. Would I be shocked if he had financial problems when he is elderly? No, I would not. Leaving $25-30 million on the table will impact his long term financial planning.

 

Kareem Abdul Jabbar lost $42 million to a crooked agent when he was at the end of his career. He had to play his last two seasons (when he was a shell of himself) just to make ends meet. Muhammad Ali had to fight when he had no reflexes because his millions disappeared due to mismanagement. It has happened time and again where the highest paid athletes of their time experience financial trouble when their playing days are done.

 

Kerry Wood is a complete knucklehead. He will feel the impact of his decision in the next few years.

[a700hitter]

It also doesn't seem like baseball players are as poorly trained with their money as a lot of football and basketball players are. Not to mention that they don't have to spend as much money on medical procedures after retirement that football players do, and the fact that people are able to retire later in baseball by bringing home more years of paychecks.

 

Cliff Lee also doesn't seem like the type who would blow all his money on a mansion, racecar, hookers and an 8 ball.

They have no clue. They are at the mercy of their advisers. Very few get good advice.

 

Lenny Dykstra was supposed to have been a savvy business man. He made millions with car washes. Then he was supposed to be a investor savant. He was getting writeups in financial journals. He turned out to be a complete fraud and he owes about $50 million.

[Keeper]

Kerry Wood is a complete knucklehead. He will feel the impact of his decision in the next few years.

 

Oh noes, Greed isn't his God!!

 

He's made close to $70 million in his career. He could play another 2-5 years after this season. He won't have trouble finding another job as a scout/analyst/broadcaster/pitching coach when he retires. He's set for life.

[italstallianion]

Oh noes, Greed isn't his God!!

 

He's made close to $70 million in his career. He could play another 2-5 years after this season. He won't have trouble finding another job as a scout/analyst/broadcaster/pitching coach when he retires. He's set for life.

 

 

If Joe Morgan and Buck/Mccarver can have a job, then Kerry Wood should be fine. He'd be like a god to the Chicago Cubs. (Outside of Harry Caray of course)

[a700hitter]

Oh noes, Greed isn't his God!!

 

He's made close to $70 million in his career. He could play another 2-5 years after this season. He won't have trouble finding another job as a scout/analyst/broadcaster/pitching coach when he retires. He's set for life.

Professional athletes are just not good at managing their financial affairs. It has nothing to do with greed. Many of them are very greedy, and they still end up broke.

[italstallianion]

Don't a lot of athletes have accountants that handle their cash flow? I'm sure that most athletes are horrible with their money, but you'd think that a lot of them would have someone on their "entourage" that could handle a budget and checkbook.

[a700hitter]

If Joe Morgan and Buck/Mccarver can have a job' date=' then Kerry Wood should be fine. He'd be like a god to the Chicago Cubs. (Outside of Harry Caray of course)[/quote']For every McCarver that gets lucky and falls into a great situation, there are 100 that end up selling life insurance.

[a700hitter]

Don't a lot of athletes have accountants that handle their cash flow? I'm sure that most athletes are horrible with their money' date=' but you'd think that a lot of them would have someone on their "entourage" that could handle a budget and checkbook.[/quote']They all have agents and accountants and financial adviser who all live like parasites on a host. If the athlete is lucky, his adviser is only slightly incompetent. Many accountants/advisers are not only incompetent but also crooked.

[Divinity]

I am glad that guys like Lee and Wood turned down the Yanks money and went to other teams.

 

I am glad that guys like Lee and Wood turned down the Sox money and went to other teams too

[Dipre]

I am glad that guys like Lee and Wood turned down the Sox money and went to other teams too

 

However Adrian Gonzales, Carl Crawford, Bobby and Dan Wheeler did take the Sox money. Not to mention they were never interested in Wood. What was your fallback plan?

[Rdsxmbnt]

They all have agents and accountants and financial adviser who all live like parasites on a host. If the athlete is lucky' date=' his adviser is only slightly incompetent. Many accountants/advisers are not only incompetent but also crooked.[/quote']

 

This seems like a horribly pessimistic view of financial advisers. Many of the smartest students go into finance and end up handling high-profile clients successfully. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of athletes end up living with more than enough money to last their lifetime.

[Divinity]

Not to mention they were never interested in Wood

 

I have reason to believe otherwise, Theo said the Sox were pushing hard to sign Kerry Wood at the deadline but were outbid by the Yankees.

 

Also Heyman tweeted this yesterday

 

wood's $1.5 mil cubs guarantee isnt close to yanks, redsox bids

[BSN07]

I have reason to believe otherwise, Theo said the Sox were pushing hard to sign Kerry Wood at the deadline but were outbid by the Yankees.

 

Also Heyman tweeted this yesterday

 

So? The Sox missed out on Wood. Who have the Yankees convinced to come to town again?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

So? The Sox missed out on Wood. Who have the Yankees convinced to come to town again?

 

In all fairness, Dipre was the one who stated the Sox were never interested in Wood. He just said what the media had heard.

[Dipre]

The Sox tried to acquire him this past deadline which, you know, has absolutely nothing to do with the current offseason.

 

Other than this single "tweet" there has been no evidence of the Sox pushing for Wood, unlike guys like Guerrier and Crain, not to mention that the Sox were "linked" by at least one of these tweets to every other relief pitcher available, which sounds more like doing due diligence.

 

Give me evidence that they were seriously interested in Wood. I'll wait here.

[a700hitter]

This seems like a horribly pessimistic view of financial advisers. Many of the smartest students go into finance and end up handling high-profile clients successfully. I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of athletes end up living with more than enough money to last their lifetime.

It's not a pessimistic view. It's just a fact. It's very common for high paid athletes to have severe financial difficulties after their playing days are over and most of them have advisers. The ones that don't have problems are the ones that keep working and those who actively and smartly market their names after retirement.

[Divinity]

The Sox tried to acquire him this past deadline which' date=' you know, [b']has absolutely nothing to do with the current offseason.[/b]

 

Other than this single "tweet" there has been no evidence of the Sox pushing for Wood, unlike guys like Guerrier and Crain, not to mention that the Sox were "linked" by at least one of these tweets to every other relief pitcher available, which sounds more like doing due diligence.

 

Give me evidence that they were seriously interested in Wood. I'll wait here.

 

No teams were really pushing hard for Wood, the Yanks, Red Sox, and White Sox made him an offer a but thats about it, his only desire was to return to his beloved Cubs no matter how many millions he was leaving on the table.

[Dipre]

No teams were really pushing hard for Wood' date=' the Yanks, Red Sox, and White Sox made him an offer a but thats about it, his only desire was to return to his beloved Cubs no matter how many millions he was leaving on the table.[/quote']

 

Cop-out.

 

You concluded from the fact that they attempted to acquire him during the trade deadline, that they were seriously attempting to acquire him again, even using the tweet to justify this stance, now you backtrack saying they "put an offer out there" and "no teams were really pushing hard". Either your initial conclusion was wrong, or this one is. Which is it?

[Palodios]

The sox weren't looking for a low-risk, high reward guy. They wanted good deals on reliable relievers that they could count on. I was a little surprised that they're paying 12 for Jenks, and only 3 for Wheeler, so it definitely works out to be good money on the bullpen. Had Kerry Wood of pre-All-star 2010 showed up in this bullpen in 2011, it'd be a huge problem.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lee makes more in a year than a lot of doctors do in their lifetimes. I think he'll be fine.

 

Yes, he does.