Clay Buchholz and the AL CY young

[Yaz Sideburn]

Cahill 148.2 ip, 2.54 era, .99 whip.

Hernandez 197.0 ip, 2.51 era, 1.13 whip

 

These guys are pretty much in the race too.

 

if king felix wasn't playing on the m's he'd be the frontrunner but i don't think anyone's ever won the cy young with a losing record

[Palodios]

The problem is... he's pitched far and beyond better than anyone else. 1st in IP, 2nd in ERA, 2nd in strikeouts, 4th in whip. No one else really is even close right now. And sure, he only has 9 wins... but he has a ridiculous 89% quality start percentage, and leads the league with 24. Normally I defend the win statistic, but Felix has been violated by his team this year.

[Yaz Sideburn]

The problem is... he's pitched far and beyond better than anyone else. 1st in IP' date=' 2nd in ERA, 2nd in strikeouts, 4th in whip. No one else really is even close right now. And sure, he only has 9 wins... but he has a ridiculous 89% quality start percentage, and leads the league with 24. Normally I defend the win statistic, but Felix has been violated by his team this year.[/quote']

 

if i had a vote, i would vote for felix at this point in the season. my point was that i don't see him having a realistic shot with the real voters because they don't vote for people with losing records

[Yaz Sideburn]

another shutout for clay. he's probably moved ahead of price in the voting

 

buchholz - 139.1 ip, 15-5, 2.26 era, 1.20 whip

price - 157.2, 15-5, 2.97 era, 1.26 whip

[WhiskeyBreath]

Why limit yourself to just those statistics?

[jacksonianmarch]

if i had a vote' date=' i would vote for felix at this point in the season. my point was that i don't see him having a realistic shot with the real voters because they don't vote for people with losing records[/quote']

 

Exactly. Wins and winning teams have been the two prevailing themes here. King Felix is pitching out of his mind, but he isnt far and away better than anyone like Greinke was last yr. His lack of wins and his playing on a horrible team is going to hurt him massively

[boston22407]

he wins if we make it in

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, the sox would need a Cy Young type finish to the season for them to get to the playoffs, so if the sox do make the playoffs, then yeah, Clay will win it

[soxfan74]

Greinke had a winning record last season despite playing for a horrible team. Buchholtz performance today could go a long way in the Cy young voting. He only went six innings. However he had to warm up twice due to the hour rain delay and still yielded zero runs. This should be an interesting year for the Cy Young voting. There is no clear cut winner right now.

[example1]

Buchholz won't get the Cy Young. He just hasn't thrown enough innings and his numbers suggest effectiveness, not dominance. He has been dominant for long stretches this year and seems to have learned how to pitch to contact; however, it will take at least another year for "voters" to buy that he is getting by on stuff rather than good fortune.

 

Until that happens, the bigger names with more innings will get more votes.

[Keeper]

Pretty hard to win the Cy Young if you're not a strikeout pitcher. King Felix is doing exactly what he did last year. If his win-loss record were the same as last year, he would probably be the frontrunner.

 

But as it stands right now, it's wide open. I'm leaning towards Cliff Lee myself. Not the best record (won't hold that against him), but his 13.73 K/BB is just ridiculous. For a reliever, it would be insane. For a starter, it's unheard of.

[a700hitter]

Lee, Sabathia and Price will be pitching in the playoffs. Our guy will be watching from his couch. That's really all that matters.

[ORS]

Yeah, if the award was intended to identify which pitcher had a more valuable, or meaningful, performance during the season. It is intended to identify the best pitcher. Does that mean I think the voters will get it right? No, but if I'm following the intent, that's not all that really matters.

 

Like others have said here, the winner, assuming things play out over the last month and a half like they have over the first 4.5, "should" be Felix Hernandez. However, it won't be.

[Badbird]

Lee' date=' Sabathia and Price will be pitching in the playoffs. Our guy will be watching from his couch. That's really all that matters.[/quote']

 

Sadly this is what might happen...

[jacksonianmarch]

Yeah, if the award was intended to identify which pitcher had a more valuable, or meaningful, performance during the season. It is intended to identify the best pitcher. Does that mean I think the voters will get it right? No, but if I'm following the intent, that's not all that really matters.

 

Like others have said here, the winner, assuming things play out over the last month and a half like they have over the first 4.5, "should" be Felix Hernandez. However, it won't be.

 

This has been my point from the beginning. The voters seem to make the Cy Young all about the most valuable pitcher. Felix is the most deserving candidate

[JimEdHOF2009]

This has been my point from the beginning. The voters seem to make the Cy Young all about the most valuable pitcher. Felix is the most deserving candidate

 

Still think Hughes is better than Clay you f***ing imbecile? You have no credibility at all moron.. You are a dimwitted, simpleton..like every other Yankee fan I have ever met. Clay is an ELITE ACE and one of the best pitchers in the game.. I predicted as much at the BEGINNING of the year... You are a frontrunning ninny who has no apptitude to look at any player on the Yankees in an objective manner. Clay has been better than Lee, CC, and Felix so far and if he keeps this up..he will deservedly win the award.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Note to self: Don't get on JimEdHOF2009 bad side. Seems to get a bit angry. I can see him turning green now.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Exactly. Wins and winning teams have been the two prevailing themes here.

 

there's no factual basis to your argument that it's difficult to win the cy young if you don't pitch for a playoff team. the last 2 years, 0 of the 4 cy young award winners pitched for a playoff team

[jacksonianmarch]

Still think Hughes is better than Clay you f***ing imbecile? You have no credibility at all moron.. You are a dimwitted' date=' simpleton..like every other Yankee fan I have ever met. Clay is an ELITE ACE and one of the best pitchers in the game.. I predicted as much at the BEGINNING of the year... You are a frontrunning ninny who has no apptitude to look at any player on the Yankees in an objective manner. Clay has been better than Lee, CC, and Felix so far and if he keeps this up..he will deservedly win the award.[/quote']

 

Buchholz is pitching up to his ceiling, Hughes isnt. Buch is the better pitcher right now. Though I must say, your acting up now is hilarious. Buchholz' great season is about to be wasted as you're gonna be home in October

[Yaz Sideburn]

Buchholz' great season is about to be wasted as you're gonna be home in October

 

you've been saying that the sox will be home in october since july. no one cares

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

you've been saying that the sox will be home in october since july. no one cares

 

This.

[jacksonianmarch]

you've been saying that the sox will be home in october since july. no one cares

 

I am pretty sure you guys care. I know I would if I were a sox fan

[Yaz Sideburn]

I am pretty sure you guys care. I know I would if I were a sox fan

 

you clearly don't understand what it's like to be a red sox fan if you think we're going to cry over missing the playoffs one year. i grew up on teams that would finish 20 games back of a playoff spot, i'm happy every year they're in contention

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

That's alright we're following in the Yankees footsteps. We don't make the playoffs this year we'll win the World Series next year. Remember the Yankees in 2008? How was golf that year?

[jacksonianmarch]

It sucked. But we also went out and bought CC, AJ, and Tex.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Oh yeah. So are we out of the playoffs next year too with 162 games? Or are you going to say some absurb comment like "final nail in the coffin" after opening day?

[jacksonianmarch]

I thought the sox were winning the wild card coming into the yr. I thought you had an outside chance of making the wild card until Youkilis went down.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ********. Like Yaz said you've been doubting this team since July.

[jacksonianmarch]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ********. Like Yaz said you've been doubting this team since July.

 

Doubting, yes. Hence why I said "outside chance" dumbass. That means, not likely but possible

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I was referring to the first part of your post.