8/12 @ Toronto

[a700hitter]

Boy. I was eating lunch with my wife' date=' when I decided to mow the lawn. Figured Paps was gonna shut it down in the 9th. Then, this happens? Awesome. The sox needed to be flawless without Youkilis the rest of the way to overtake the Rays, and tonight might be the nail in the coffin[/quote']Nails start coming out of your gun in April. Your nail gun is always on rapid fire.

[yankees228]

Boy. I was eating lunch with my wife' date=' when I decided to mow the lawn. Figured Paps was gonna shut it down in the 9th. Then, this happens? Awesome. The sox needed to be flawless without Youkilis the rest of the way to overtake the Rays, and tonight might be the nail in the coffin[/quote']

 

The nail in the coffin for a team that is four games out of a playoff spot?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

The nail in the coffin for a team that is four games out of a playoff spot?

 

Thank you!

[Northern Star]

Didn't KRod get 3yrs/$36 million/

 

I'd like to keep Papelbon and Bard at the end of the pen for as long as possible. I'd cut ties with Papelbon when bard is no longer cost-controlled.

 

The great Mo blew a game this week, and KRod has had some doozies.

 

This was a stinker by Papelbon. No doubt about it, but I wouldn't cut him from the team based on this.

 

It doesn't make sense to have them both when Bard can do the same/better for much less money. Use what you save on Papelbon for upgrades elsewhere.

[Dojji]

It doesn't make sense to have them both when Bard can do the same/better for much less money. Use what you save on Papelbon for upgrades elsewhere.

 

Papelbon and Bard aren't competing for limited roster space. You need more than a closer to make a bullpen, having a top class setup man is critical. We need them both -- desperately. As it is, we'll probably be spending money to improve that bullpen. Trading from an area of weakness is a bad idea.

 

Paps is having a tough year. Guess what? Bard will have them too. Bard will be where Paps is now -- if he's lucky and talented enough. It's a fact. And as "terrible years" go, if this is the worst we ever see out of Papelbon, he's worth holding onto at all costs. I would be delighted if say Delcarmen was that good on a consistent basis.

 

So you can show a bit of balls and put up with the worst days and keep an overall talented player, or you can be a whiny little coward who can't see the forest for the trees and makes knee-jerk response posts based on every little thing that goes wrong over a full 162 and just wind up annoying everyone. Your call.

[a700hitter]

It doesn't make sense to have them both when Bard can do the same/better for much less money. Use what you save on Papelbon for upgrades elsewhere.

I think people are too quick to disregard the significance and luxury of having two studs at the end of the pen. We've spent $45 million on the likes of Lugo and $60 mil on Renteria and $100 mil on Dice K. There's no guarantee that the money saved on Papelbon will get us an upgrade elsewhere. One thing would be for certain. It would result in a huge downgrade in the 8th inning guy. Would the other upgrades more than make up for that downgrade? I'm not so sure.

[Dojji]

I like the following bullpen next year

 

Paps

Bard

Downs (FA)

Doubront/Richardson

Delcarmen

Bowden/Doubront

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Isn't there a bullpen thread? Just saying I don't mind the talk here.

[italstallianion]

I like the following bullpen next year

 

Paps

Bard

Downs (FA)

Doubront/Richardson

Delcarmen

Bowden/Doubront

 

 

I assume that's if Downs isn't offered arbitration and that we don't have to give up a first round pick to get him.

[Spudboy]

Papelbon and Bard aren't competing for limited roster space. You need more than a closer to make a bullpen, having a top class setup man is critical. We need them both -- desperately. As it is, we'll probably be spending money to improve that bullpen. Trading from an area of weakness is a bad idea.

 

Paps is having a tough year. Guess what? Bard will have them too. Bard will be where Paps is now -- if he's lucky and talented enough. It's a fact. And as "terrible years" go, if this is the worst we ever see out of Papelbon, he's worth holding onto at all costs. I would be delighted if say Delcarmen was that good on a consistent basis.

 

So you can show a bit of balls and put up with the worst days and keep an overall talented player, or you can be a whiny little coward who can't see the forest for the trees and makes knee-jerk response posts based on every little thing that goes wrong over a full 162 and just wind up annoying everyone. Your call.

 

 

:lol:

 

 

God bless Dojji.

[Dojji]

I assume that's if Downs isn't offered arbitration and that we don't have to give up a first round pick to get him.

 

Nope. Some things are worth paying for. My only concern is that someone might beat out our best offer and sign him as a closer.

[italstallianion]

Nope. Some things are worth paying for. My only concern is that someone might beat out our best offer and sign him as a closer.

 

 

Wow. There's no chance in hell I'd touch him if we had to give up a first rounder. I'm not sure if I'd sign him if they didn't offer him arbitration (since he'd want more money if we didn't have to give up a draft pick.)

 

Unless it's Mariano Rivera from the early 90's we're talking about, I'd never waste a draft pick on a reliever.

[Dojji]

Lefty setup man are hard enough to find, not to mention lefties of Downs' quality, that I'd pay that price in this situation. We'll be getting a pick back for Beltre anyway, likely a first and a #1s.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Wow. There's no chance in hell I'd touch him if we had to give up a first rounder. I'm not sure if I'd sign him if they didn't offer him arbitration (since he'd want more money if we didn't have to give up a draft pick.)

 

Unless it's Mariano Rivera from the early 90's we're talking about, I'd never waste a draft pick on a reliever.

 

Disagree. There are relievers who are worth losing a first round pick for.

[jacksonianmarch]

Papelbon and Bard aren't competing for limited roster space. You need more than a closer to make a bullpen, having a top class setup man is critical. We need them both -- desperately. As it is, we'll probably be spending money to improve that bullpen. Trading from an area of weakness is a bad idea.

 

Paps is having a tough year. Guess what? Bard will have them too. Bard will be where Paps is now -- if he's lucky and talented enough. It's a fact. And as "terrible years" go, if this is the worst we ever see out of Papelbon, he's worth holding onto at all costs. I would be delighted if say Delcarmen was that good on a consistent basis.

 

So you can show a bit of balls and put up with the worst days and keep an overall talented player, or you can be a whiny little coward who can't see the forest for the trees and makes knee-jerk response posts based on every little thing that goes wrong over a full 162 and just wind up annoying everyone. Your call.

 

Dojji, this might not be the worst you see from Papelbon. ORS said it well. The stats have shown a decline over the past 3 yrs. It is more likely that the numbers continue to slide than it is that he finds his past dominance

[ORS]

The nail in the coffin for a team that is four games out of a playoff spot?

Yeah, seems like there are a shitload of nails in this coffin, also. s***, you could melt them all down and make a solid steel coffin with how many nails Jacko has awarded the team this year.

[Yaz Sideburn]

yesterday we were streaking with the two teams we're chasing for playoff spots struggling. today the season's over again

 

glad i wasn't able to watch this game, looked like it really sucked. but we're only half a game worse than we were yesterday and people were feeling pretty good about our chances then

[Yaz Sideburn]

Boy. I was eating lunch with my wife' date=' when I decided to mow the lawn. Figured Paps was gonna shut it down in the 9th. Then, this happens? Awesome. The sox needed to be flawless without Youkilis the rest of the way to overtake the Rays, and tonight might be the nail in the coffin[/quote']

 

the sox don't need to be flawless if the yankees and rays continue to play as badly as they have been

[jacksonianmarch]

You're 7 games back in the L column of the Yankees and 5 back of the Rays without your best player for the season. If you think the Yanks and Rays are gonna play .500 ball, then you're crazy

[Yaz Sideburn]

You're 7 games back in the L column of the Yankees and 5 back of the Rays without your best player for the season. If you think the Yanks and Rays are gonna play .500 ball' date=' then you're crazy[/quote']

 

we may be without our best player, but the yankees and the rays have plenty of their own issues. the yankees rotation has one reliable starter with pettitte on the dl and their offense is slumping. the rays just put two of their starters on the dl and their offense is also slumping

 

as much as you wish you could just call it a season on august 12th and declare the yankees the division winners, that's not the way baseball works. and you can will the red sox season to be over until your brain hemorrhages but we'll still be in contention

[jacksonianmarch]

Barring a Devil Ray collapse, the sox will not make the playoffs. And no matter what, the sox arent catching the yanks

[Yaz Sideburn]

Barring a Devil Ray collapse' date=' the sox will not make the playoffs. And no matter what, the sox arent catching the yanks[/quote']

 

where have i seen this before...

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Zm6JXvXXze4/Sy9CD_jHAoI/AAAAAAAAIzY/WQ5Iv8AGNyU/s320/GeorgeBushMissionAccomplished.png

[jacksonianmarch]

Enjoy the golf

[a700hitter]

where have i seen this before...

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Zm6JXvXXze4/Sy9CD_jHAoI/AAAAAAAAIzY/WQ5Iv8AGNyU/s320/GeorgeBushMissionAccomplished.png

You do realize that we did end up winning that war?

[Dojji]

http://mcgonnigle.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/dewey_defeats_truman1.jpg

[a700hitter]

http://mcgonnigle.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/dewey_defeats_truman1.jpg

Now, this makes sense.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Barring a Devil Ray collapse' date=' the sox will not make the playoffs. And no matter what, the sox arent catching the yanks[/quote']

 

 

I agree.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Enjoy the golf

 

 

have you already picked out a world series mvp in your head as well?

[Yaz Sideburn]

You do realize that we did end up winning that war?

 

i'm not saying that the yankees won't win the division or that we won't miss the playoffs. just that it's really premature to claim either one

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

 

have you already picked out a world series mvp in your head as well?

 

Knowing Jacko he'd probably pick Joba.