Jayson Werth?

[Rdsxmbnt]

NY Posts article mentions the Sox interest: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/phils-may-cut-werthy-deal-385795.html

 

Question is whether or not he's the right piece to go after and at what cost?

 

Lineup would look even more amazing (talking about .850+ hitters from your 2 spot to your 8 spot with Ellsbury and scutaro posting fairly solid OBPs)

1. Ellsbury

2. Pedroia

3. Martinez

4. Youkilis

5. Oritz

6. Werth

7. Drew

8. Beltre

9. Scutaro

 

Does say Kalish + Doubrout get a deal done?

[Dojji]

It makes sense, I know from a standpoint of a team that thinks it's a contender, trusting a guy like Nava to be the starting LF down the stretch is a real gamble, and I don't think we lose anything we can't afford to lose in that proposed deal, but WTH do you do with Cameron in that scenario? He'd be a heck of an expensive 4th OF for a year and a half.

[Rdsxmbnt]

The Red Sox have sucked up their pride in the past (IE Lugo) and started the better player over the one who is paid more. Cameron isn't terrible but .715 OPS isn't getting it done in a corner OF spot but as a 4th OF I think he'd be solid.

[Dojji]

I'm completely on board with a Werth trade anyway. It's a move that makes sense, and it's about time to look for a guy who can replace Drew in RF anyway.

 

If we got him I'd look at the possibility of playing him in RF, Drew in LF. Maybe the smaller field would reduce wear and tear.

[Palodios]

As much as I'd like to see Werth on this team, it makes no sense for the Sox to drop a lot of prospects on him if he doesn't sign a long term deal. Having Cameron as a 4th outfielder is different than having a guy like Lugo as a 2nd SS because there are a lot more opportunities for a 4th outfielder to play, especially with Drew in there.

[Dojji]

I don't think convincing Werth to sign longterm on a perennial contender is going to be that big a deal, and Doubront's a guy we can realistically spare. I know he's talented but our rotation is locked up for the next 3 years so realistically the guy's trade bait.

[Palodios]

Doubront is valuable because he is a trade chip. He's going to be a key component to a deal for a big corner infielder or catcher, and it makes no sense to waste him on a guy they can get later on anyway.

[Dojji]

That depends on how much you're still beating the Adrian Gonzalez drum, I suppose.

 

Realistically, we could just decide to sign a guy to play 3B next offseason, or just bring Beltre back. Youks is a little better on both sides of the ball than Gonzo anyway.

[yeszir]

I've always liked Werth. The OF is (one of) this team's weaknesses so it would be nice to get some steady offense out of it.

[redsoxrules]

This would be an excellent move and make are offense deadly once everyone returns from injury

[Palodios]

A-gon isn't going to cost any more than Cabrera, Fielder, Dunn etc. Beltre is going to sign an albatross next year, and the Sox should know better.

[Dojji]

Well, find a one-year filler and look for Adgon in FA after the 2011 season. The Yankees won't sign him since they have Teixeira and don't like tying up their DH spot.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Doubront is valuable because he is a trade chip. He's going to be a key component to a deal for a big corner infielder or catcher' date=' and it makes no sense to waste him on a guy they can get later on anyway.[/quote']

 

Don't really see Doubront ever being the main piece for a more elite hitter like Hanley/Gonzalez/Fielder/etc. but for Werth he might be a viable main piece.

 

Also I take back including Kalish, as I think he's the best option to replace Drew/occupy one of the corner OF spots within the next two years.

[example1]

This thread and idea seems like a sad attempt to counter the Yankees acquisition of Lee. I like Werth and think he would be a great addition but I will believe it when I see it (or hear more about it in a serious way).

 

If this models the Yankees' acquisition of Bobby Abreu a few years ago (seems comparable) it should cost the Red Sox Ryan Dent and a few scrubs.

 

Instead, I'm imagining it would cost them something like Kalish, Bowden, Beckett, Victor Martinez, Pedroia and Bard. Oh yeah, and Casey Kelly.

 

Maybe Doubront and another prospect would be enough.

[Keeper]

I heard Werth was fooling around with Utley's wife, and that's partly why they want him out of Philly.

[SoxSport]

I'm ready to chuck this season. What with all the injuries and their roster hands tied with Lowell, and their inability to sustain a bullpen. Werth isn't going to save the season, and I doubt the Phillies are going to be shedding salary--they are too good and are still in the race. Rather, they should be trying to get Lee, and fix that mistake they made pre-season.

 

So now I hear the Yankees want to leverage their revenue advantage to more absurd levels by getting Lee. They don't need him. Mind you. They are going to win it all again without him. But Steinbrenner got his way last year sucking up all the top FAs--and it worked. It should work. Are they now going to take it to another absurd level? Too bad MLB doesn't have a real Commissioner-it wouldn't happen. What about Texas? The obvious place for Lee. Great lineup--no pitching. Maybe that's why the Yankees want him--to keep him away from their competitors.

 

Too bad the Phillies aren't the Yankees. They would still have Lee, and be 5 games ahead in the NL. But they have a bunch of owners who want to make a profit--unlike Steinbrenner. He just wants another trophy--at any cost.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Werth would be a great fit... Besides having good speed and a pwer bat, he has a nice arm too.

[ORS]

But Steinbrenner got his way last year...

Yeah, he got served jello all year with a cork on fork. Dude's a drooling veg.

[SoxSport]

Delighted to see Texas got Lee. Funny how the media has every star going to NY... Lebron, then Lee. The Rangers should have enough to make the playoffs.

 

The Sox pounded Toronto tonite with Lester. The team has a lot of grit despite the injuries. Kalish is hitting .340 in Pawtucket. Maybe they should trade Boras...I mean Ellsbury. Tito: isn't it time you platooned Papi? Ofer tonite against the lefty. The Sox mgt seems to have trouble coming to grips with reality. Play Lowell, or release him, for chrissake.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Lowell is on the DL.

[TheMino007]

I'd love to see the Sox add worth and make Cameron the 4th OF. But what would the cost be?

[Cocos Disciples]

I'd love to see the Sox add worth and make Cameron the 4th OF. But what would the cost be?

I don't know, but it would be Werth it.

 

*Goes back to not posting*

[Meh]

Does say Kalish + Doubrout get a deal done?

 

I swear I know the Yankee fans do this. Like a few years ago everyone had trade ideas for everyone and it was the same players... Kennedy, Miranda, Ohlendorf, Cabrera, etc. I did it even a few times, but every red sox trade rumor has Doubront, Reddick, Bowden or Kalish in it. You have to think like a GM here, I know the Phillies make questionable calls but you have to factor in 2 high picks and 3 months of a slugger.... He's going to cost Kelly and two B prospects. Assuming you aren't touching the major league roster. I really believe the Red Sox don't match up. Rays are the perfect match in a Wade Davis or Garza for Werth swamp.

[soxfan74]

While I really like Jayson Werth.

 

I am simply tired of trading away solid young players for a year or two rental. Kalish is tearing up Pawtucket right now. While Doubrant doesn't strike me as a solution in the starting rotation. He could excell as a lefty middle reliever. When we made the V-Mart trade last year I was skeptical. I know it sure wouldn't hurt to have Masterson in the bullpen right now.

 

 

Just my personal opinion. But I'd rather not make this trade. Kalish and Nava in the Corners would be fine with me.

[Palodios]

I swear I know the Yankee fans do this. Like a few years ago everyone had trade ideas for everyone and it was the same players... Kennedy' date=' Miranda, Ohlendorf, Cabrera, etc. I did it even a few times, but every red sox trade rumor has Doubront, Reddick, Bowden or Kalish in it. You have to think like a GM here, I know the Phillies make questionable calls but you have to factor in 2 high picks and 3 months of a slugger.... He's going to cost Kelly and two B prospects. Assuming you aren't touching the major league roster. I really believe the Red Sox don't match up. Rays are the perfect match in a Wade Davis or Garza for Werth swamp.[/quote']

 

High round draft picks aren't sure things. Kalish and Doubront are #2 and #5s in prospect ratings, and for good reason. I honestly don't think Werth's value is that high.

[jacksonianmarch]

He has been an .860-.880OPS guy for 3 yrs now with massive power from the right side. He will command a lot, especially since there are no other power OFers available at the deadline

[Palodios]

Nava has a .983 OPS versus RHH, McDonald has a .833 versus LHH. While I expect some regression, I don't see a .860 OPS being a major improvement over that platoon.

[Keeper]

You can't compare Nava and McDonald to Werth. Werth is an established 5-tool stud. Nava has less than 100 PAs and McDonald is a scrub.

[Palodios]

Yes I can. So far, that platoon has worked. Until that changes, its not worth trading away prospects for a player that will be splitting time once Ellsbury gets back.

[WhiskeyBreath]

You can't compare Nava and McDonald to Werth. Werth is an established 5-tool stud. Nava has less than 100 PAs and McDonald is a scrub.

 

5-tool stud? I'm not so sure I would call him that.