With every HR Gonzalez hits...his price goes up.

[JimEdHOF2009]

It is not just this year...but last year which let's anyone with a brain know that this team needs a big bopper. I for one, am thankful that we got our tails kicked in by a better TB team because it gave the Red Sox a preview of what is to come if they don't go out and get a slugger. This team CAN afford to give up a Kelly or Buchholz...it cannot afford to give up on this season..which is in essence what they are doing if they do not go out and get a premier slugger. Gonzalez is ripe for the taking. The Padres though playing well aren't fooling anyone..they are nowhere near being a playoff contender..they will be in the basement again come September..mark my words...

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Hoyer knows who the real prospects are and who the "quasi" ones are therefore he will ask for..a minimum of...

 

Buchholz or Kelly

Lars Anderson

Kalish

Tazawa/Bowden

 

the only good thing going is I think Hoyer knows they cannot afford a mega deal for Gonz after 2011... This trade needs to be made immediately.

[Dojji]

I don't think SD does that. Kalish and Tazawa aren't that well known outside our system and Lars' stock has fallen quite a bit. We're talking about replacing their only decent hitter, they'll want a hitter back. Lavarnway is a much better piece to tempt SD with than Kalish.

[italstallianion]

That might be why he said "minimum"

[a700hitter]

It is not just this year...but last year which let's anyone with a brain know that this team needs a big bopper. I for one, am thankful that we got our tails kicked in by a better TB team because it gave the Red Sox a preview of what is to come if they don't go out and get a slugger. This team CAN afford to give up a Kelly or Buchholz...it cannot afford to give up on this season..which is in essence what they are doing if they do not go out and get a premier slugger. Gonzalez is ripe for the taking. The Padres though playing well aren't fooling anyone..they are nowhere near being a playoff contender..they will be in the basement again come September..mark my words...

'

Hoyer knows who the real prospects are and who the "quasi" ones are therefore he will ask for..a minimum of...

 

Buchholz or Kelly

Lars Anderson

Kalish

Tazawa/Bowden

 

the only good thing going is I think Hoyer knows they cannot afford a mega deal for Gonz after 2011... This trade needs to be made immediately.

That package will never get him. The package would have to include Buccholz and Kelly. Anderson is on the way to palooka-ville, Tazawa just had major reconstructive arm surgery, Bowden is not a very good prospect. We are not getting this guy this season. We have 5 guys that play first and third. Gonzalez would have to play full time forcing the Sox to cut two guys that make more the 10 million a piece. It would also force VMart to catch every day with no room at 1B. Also what would happen with Beltre? They built a team that can't fir Gonzalez even if they could convince Hoyer to trade him.

[Dojji]

But I don't think that is the minimum. I think it's well below the minimum. And I honestly don't know if we even have the pieces to get it done -- we're not exactly brimming with MLB-ready high profile bats at the moment.

 

Paul Konerko is a much more realistic trade target if we're looking for a short-term power hitter, or maybe Derrek Lee. I could really go for Derrek Lee. He's in the last year of his deal and the Cubs are going nowhere so we should be at least talking trade. He's much more likely to be available and affordable than Adgon.

[JimEdHOF2009]

I don't think SD does that. Kalish and Tazawa aren't that well known outside our system and Lars' stock has fallen quite a bit.

 

I just threw that out there. Anderson was rushed.. He is CRUSHING The ball at Portland this year and his stock is back on the rise. He is 22 years old...he will be in the bigs in a couple of years. Hoyer knows he is a blue chipper whether he played well last year or not...

 

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502249

 

Kalish is not producing but really..who cares what OTHER people in baseball think..if we are talking Gonzalez it only matters what HOYER thinks and he had his hand in the scouting and drafting of all of these players.

 

Add whomever you want..Gonzo will be your face for the next 7 years.. If I were Theo..and Hoyer pushed hard enough..I would include Buc or Kelly and Bard and Anderson/and Kalis or Reddick..maybe even Bowden. The only thing I wouldn't do is include Kelly and Buc in same deal. Anything else..I would. Gonzo puts the Sox right back into the mix.

 

Buc/Bard/Anderson/Kalish/Bowden

 

 

You have an ace and a closer for many years... I don't see why a deal like that cannot be made.

[a700hitter]

But I don't think that is the minimum. I think it's well below the minimum. And I honestly don't know if we even have the pieces to get it done -- we're not exactly brimming with MLB-ready high profile bats at the moment.

I agree. We don't have the pieces.

 

Paul Konerko is a much more realistic trade target if we're looking for a short-term power hitter' date=' or maybe Derrek Lee. I could really go for Derrek Lee. He's in the last year of his deal and the Cubs are going nowhere so we should be at least talking trade. He's much more likely to be available and affordable than Adgon.[/quote']We are all filled up at 1B and 3B. We need OFers.

[JimEdHOF2009]

But I don't think that is the minimum. I think it's well below the minimum. And I honestly don't know if we even have the pieces to get it done -- we're not exactly brimming with MLB-ready high profile bats at the moment.

 

Paul Konerko is a much more realistic trade target if we're looking for a short-term power hitter, or maybe Derrek Lee. I could really go for Derrek Lee. He's in the last year of his deal and the Cubs are going nowhere so we should be at least talking trade. He's much more likely to be available and affordable than Adgon.

 

I would love to get Konerko..would cost a whole lot less.

[Dipre]

But I don't think that is the minimum. I think it's well below the minimum. And I honestly don't know if we even have the pieces to get it done -- we're not exactly brimming with MLB-ready high profile bats at the moment.

 

Paul Konerko is a much more realistic trade target if we're looking for a short-term power hitter, or maybe Derrek Lee. I could really go for Derrek Lee. He's in the last year of his deal and the Cubs are going nowhere so we should be at least talking trade. He's much more likely to be available and affordable than Adgon.

 

The Cubs are currently three games under .500,and they have Ted Lilly back now. I don't thinkg that "they're not going anywhere" is an accurate assesment of the Cub's chances, because they have the potential to at least hang around in the race past the deadline, so i don't see any reason for them to be sellers.

 

No, thanks on Konerko.

[italstallianion]

I agree. We don't have the pieces.

 

We are all filled up at 1B and 3B. We need OFers.

 

 

 

Maybe we can call up the Guardians again and try to get Choo or Sizemore.

[JimEdHOF2009]

I would love to know what Hoyer feels about Buc/Bard/Anderson/and whomever else he wants in Sox system besides Kelly. I am sure he could come up with something. What don't you guys get? HE IS LOSING GONZALEZ for nothing in 1.5 years! As it gets closer to that time...Gonzo's trade value goes down! Teams like the Yankees who can afford him don't need him.. There are many, many factors that determine whether or not trades get done and it isn't always completely EVEN value.

 

Of the teams who can afford to GIVE the necessary prospects and extend Gonzalez to a Teixiera-like contract...who can do better than Buc/Bard/Anderson/plus more spects...????? Tell me who? I would LOVE to hear this. Baltimore is one team I would be worried about.but they are far more concerned with their lack of bullpen and thin SP to go after Gonzo...hitting the ball is not their biggest problem.

[Dojji]

I wonder what the pricetag on Matt Diaz would be.

[a700hitter]

I would love to know what Hoyer feels about Buc/Bard/Anderson/and whomever else he wants in Sox system besides Kelly. I am sure he could come up with something. What don't you guys get? HE IS LOSING GONZALEZ for nothing in 1.5 years! As it gets closer to that time...Gonzo's trade value goes down! Teams like the Yankees who can afford him don't need him.. There are many' date=' many factors that determine whether or not trades get done and it isn't always completely EVEN value.[/quote']If we can get him for just money in 1 1/2 years, why would we want to give up two guys from the major league roster-- a member of the current starting rotation and one of only three reliable arms in the bullpen?

[Dipre]

I wonder what the pricetag on Matt Diaz would be.

 

Matt Diaz has the platoon issue going though. He absolutely, completely and totally murders lefties though.

 

Matt Diaz career splits:

 

Vs RHP: .705 OPS. (758 PA)

 

Vs LHP: .917 OPS. (682 PA)

[Dojji]

HE IS LOSING GONZALEZ for nothing in 1.5 years!

 

1: Not true. He will get a #1 or #2 pick and a #1s pick for him.

 

2: That still leaves him one offseason and two deadlines to try to get something done. Time is NOT an issue from the SD perspective at this time. I fully expect to see Hoyer sit on Gonzo as long as he can and see what his minor league and team look like in a year or so before even making the call on what he'd like to get for the guy.

 

3: A year and a half can change a lot on a team that's in the middle 15 markets, I think that describes SD. It's entirely possible that if he holds off, he can rebuild the lineup, or at least show enough progress to convince Gonzo to stick around.

 

It is by no means a guarantee that Gonzo will ever be traded, and even if he is there's CERTAINLY no guarantee he'd be traded to us, immediately. I'm not counting on him at all -- be ecstatic if iit happens, but I'm not going to hold it against Theo if Hoyer's price is too high, or if Hoyer decides to do his dangedest to keep one of the best 1B in the National League on his team.

[Dojji]

Matt Diaz has the platoon issue going though. He absolutely, completely and totally murders lefties though.

 

Matt Diaz career splits:

 

Vs RHP: .705 OPS. (758 PA)

 

Vs LHP: .917 OPS. (682 PA)

 

We have three lefthanded outfielders when Cameron sits. A guy who plays the OF and can drive the ball against LHP pitching is a good fit.

[JimEdHOF2009]

If we can get him for just money in 1 1/2 years' date=' why would we want to give up two guys from the major league roster-- a member of the current starting rotation and one of only three reliable arms in the bullpen?[/quote']

 

Theo may be able to get Bell.. I hear he has been shopped.. and if he doesn't trade Bell to the Sox...he will need to fill a closer role and Bard would be perfect. DelCarmen and Oki have pitched well.. I think Nelson will eventually come up and help this club... you can go out and get a set-up guy in AUG.... I think the drop-off from losing Bard and Buc(Dice-K will squash this loss)is far less than the gain you get with Gonzalez.. he would make everyone in our lineup more dangerous..he also stretches the lineup out...

 

I originally didn't care too much if we traded Ellsbury..but with what has happened to Westy and seeing how much Jacoby meant to this lineup..he is now untradeable IMO.

[Dipre]

We have three lefthanded outfielders when Cameron sits. A guy who plays the OF and can drive the ball against LHP pitching is a good fit.

 

What do you do with Hermida once Cameron and Ellsbury get back then?

[Dojji]

What do you do with Hermida once Cameron and Ellsbury get back then?

 

Hermida's fairly expendable, he's basically a plugin guy like Baldelli last year.. As far as I'm concerned, he wouldn't be a bad guy to put in the package for Diaz in the first place.

 

Besides, Ellsbury's return may be delayed by several weeks -- rib injuries are tricky, just ask Wakefield the last few years. A Hermida-Diaz platoon would be among the better LF solutions we could come up with until we DO get him back

[Palodios]

The problem wouldn't be what to do with hermaida, but what to do with Drew/Ellsbury/Cameron when they all get back, and there is a fourth big OF bat. What are the odds that Ellsbury is still trade bait?

[Dipre]

The problem wouldn't be what to do with hermaida' date=' but what to do with Drew/Ellsbury/Cameron when they all get back, and there is a fourth big OF bat. What are the odds that Ellsbury is still trade bait?[/quote']

 

After what happened to Westmoreland, i doubt Ellsbury is going anywhere.

[Dojji]

The problem wouldn't be what to do with hermaida' date=' but what to do with Drew/Ellsbury/Cameron when they all get back, and there is a fourth big OF bat. What are the odds that Ellsbury is still trade bait?[/quote']

 

More likely you have a 4 OF rotation.

[Northern Star]

Pitching/defense > 40 HRs

 

And please don't trade Jacoby.

[yankees228]

I think it's important for the Sox to get an impact bat, but I would be very hesitant to deal Buchholz.

[TheMino007]

Prospects are unproven trading chips, Gonzalez is 27? and already a proven commodity. He is young and very talented. I'll take that over the potential of Lars Anderson or Casey Kelley. Trade Kelley, there is no room for his anyway. Think about it, Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, and Lackey are all locked up. We have control of Clay for many years. If they want Clay so be it, you can find 5 starters anywhere. This team has many more problems than just a power hitter, the pen sucks and the is hurting on the injury front right now.

[Dipre]

Prospects are unproven trading chips' date=' Gonzalez is 27? and already a proven commodity. He is young and very talented. I'll take that over the potential of Lars Anderson or Casey Kelley. Trade Kelley, there is no room for his anyway. Think about it, Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, and Lackey are all locked up. We have control of Clay for many years. If they want Clay so be it, you can find 5 starters anywhere. This team has many more problems than just a power hitter, the pen sucks and the is hurting on the injury front right now.[/quote']

 

There are reasons Casey Kelly is untouchable, as the FO pronounced him to be.

[TheMino007]

What are these reasons? Looking at all the starters contracts, he isn't going to crack the rotation in the next three years, so where is he gonna fit in? How long till he is major league ready? Two years?

[jacksonianmarch]

But where do they put him Dipre? You have DiceK locked up through 2012, Lackey through 2014, Beckett through 2014, Lester through 2013, and Buchholz controlled through 2014.

[Dipre]

But where do they put him Dipre? You have DiceK locked up through 2012' date=' Lackey through 2014, Beckett through 2014, Lester through 2013, and Buchholz controlled through 2014.[/quote']

 

I don't know about you, but i think it's a good problem to have. If Dice-K continues on his current path then Kelly will go from "luxury" to "necessity" by the time he's ready.

[Dipre]

What are these reasons? Looking at all the starters contracts' date=' he isn't going to crack the rotation in the next three years, so where is he gonna fit in? How long till he is major league ready? Two years?[/quote']

 

Do you trust Dice-K? What if he becomes a top-5 prospect and his value increases massively? What if Bucholz gets traded?