New York Yankees Gameday Thread

[a700hitter]

Teixeira said after the game that' date=' when he saw the catcher turn towards him, he assumed he had the ball, and made the decision to go into him. People make poor decisions when forced to make them in haste. I think this is a plausible scenario. Either way, we're going in circles.[/quote']The Yankee announcers called it unnecessary. They didn't mention anything about it being a bang bang decision, but Singleton did mention that maybe Tex was sending a message for getting hit with the pitch. They knew what they had witnesses and they were very honest about it.

[yankees228]

The Yankee announcers called it unnecessary. They didn't mention anything about it being a bang bang decision' date=' but Singleton did mention that maybe Tex was sending a message for getting hit with the pitch. They knew what they had witnesses and they were very honest about it.[/quote']

 

It's just an opinion though. Just like all the guys on MLB Network who claimed it was a clean play.

[a700hitter]

It's just an opinion though. Just like all the guys on MLB Network who claimed it was a clean play.

I'll go with the home team Yankee announcers on this one.

[yankees228]

I'll go with the home team Yankee announcers on this one.

 

Why is their opinion anymore valid than the MLBN guys?

[ORS]

Don't even bother. The guy just doesn't understand baseball unless he's got a graph in front of him. Watch the play in real-time. Tex, while running at full speed, with the ball obviously beating him to the plate, had decided to crash into the catcher. The fact that the Catcher missed the ball is irrelevant. The baserunner has every right to crash into the catcher. The Catcher was on the first base side of the plate and was coming across the plate to tag Tex. The collision happened OVER home plate, just like you said.

 

It was a perfectly legitimate and clean play. However, some people can't understand what they are seeing without being told what they've seen and what to believe.

 

Thinking for themselves and analyzing the play?

 

This is a foreign concept to some people.

It wasn't over the plate. Wilson is still in the LH batter's box and Teixeira is over the plate when they meet. Read that again, Teixeira is over the plate, meaning he ran beyond the point he needed to start his slide. He opted for collision when it was unnecessary.

 

Intent doesn't need to be malicious for this to be a dirty play, nor does it make him a dirty player. Like a700 said, it is what it is.

 

He certainly has the right to opt for a collision there. That right doesn't absolve him from his bad decision.

 

As for the nonsense about thinking for myself. My opinion on this is based on the video. I have referrenced no outside opinion, as you have with the MLB crew.

 

You suck at this.

[Dipre]

Why is their opinion anymore valid than the MLBN guys?

 

Probably because they have a lot more reason to protect Yankee players with their opinions than the MLBN guys. Not that i agree with either side on this particular instance, but just what would appear to be the case.

[Dipre]

It wasn't over the plate. Wilson is still in the LH batter's box and Teixeira is over the plate when they meet. Read that again, Teixeira is over the plate, meaning he ran beyond the point he needed to start his slide. He opted for collision when it was unnecessary.

 

Intent doesn't need to be malicious for this to be a dirty play, nor does it make him a dirty player. Like a700 said, it is what it is.

 

He certainly has the right to opt for a collision there. That right doesn't absolve him from his bad decision.

 

As for the nonsense about thinking for myself. My opinion on this is based on the video. I have referrenced an outside opinion, as you have with the MLB crew.

 

You suck at this.

 

Funny. In this instance, since it doesn't support his argument "Trusting your own two eyes" doesn't apply.

[yankees228]

Probably because they have a lot more reason to protect Yankee players with their opinions than the MLBN guys. Not that i agree with either side on this particular instance' date=' but just what would appear to be the case.[/quote']

 

I don't find that to be a legitimate reason to believe one side over another. Both, very clearly, are honest opinions about what each person thought happened. Additionally, none of them are anything more than opinions, and, in my opinion, don't hold anymore validity than our opinions.

[Dipre]

I don't find that to be a legitimate reason to believe one side over another. Both' date=' very clearly, are honest opinions about what each person thought happened. Additionally, none of them are anything more than opinions, and, in my opinion, don't hold anymore validity than our opinions.[/quote']

 

You don't, but others do. They're opinions in themselves, which makes this debate a little silly IMO.

[Gom]

You're trying to make a point about other posters "whining" by creating a post that is a "whinefest" of epic proportions and' date=' of course, being a douchebag. Well done.[/quote']

 

My post is a "whinefest"? Are you serious? Really?

 

Good, clean, hard play. You stand in the way of me and the plate, you're eating dirt. That's baseball. If you don't like it, go play tennis.

[yankees228]

You don't' date=' but others do. They're opinions in themselves, which makes this debate a little silly IMO.[/quote']

 

Right, and I made a point of this earlier. Debating Mark Teixeira's intent, or anyone's intent for that matter, is purely speculation.

[bsox0407]

As a former baseball player, it is obvious atleast to me that you do a hook slide. As For Tex saying i thought he had the ball, then why does he plow him instead of taking the run with an easy hook slide. Most of the time the catcher would hang on and you would be out.

[Dipre]

My post is a "whinefest"? Are you serious? Really?

 

Good, clean, hard play. You stand in the way of me and the plate, you're eating dirt. That's baseball. If you don't like it, go play tennis.

 

There may be some points of that post you're conveniently ignoring. Just sayin'.

[Gom]

It wasn't over the plate.

Take a look at thumbnail attached. Guess what? It was over the plate.

As for the nonsense about thinking for myself. My opinion on this is based on the video. I have referrenced an outside opinion, as you have with the MLB crew.

You claim to have seen the video, but there it is. Taken from the video itself of the YES Network feed. Clearly, over the plate at contact.

You suck at this.

Nowhere near as much as you do. Stick to debating with Jacko. Only when he self-medicates, otherwise, he's owned you as well.

 

You have no objectivity, or you're a liar. Pick one.

[bsox0407]

Take a look at thumbnail attached you dimwit. Guess what? It was over the plate.

 

You claim to have seen the video, but there it is. Taken from the video itself of the YES Network feed. Clearly, over the plate at contact.

 

So you can now add blind to stupid as well.

 

Nowhere near as much as you do. Stick to debating with Jacko. Only when he self-medicates, otherwise, he's owned you as well.

 

You have no objectivity, or you're a liar. Pick one.

 

I think that if YOU look at the thumbnail you will see that most of plate is underneath TEx who is moving towards the first base line.

[ORS]

Where is Wilson - LH batter's box

Where is Teix - butt over the plate

Where is the collision - on the 1B side of the plate

 

From your picture.

 

You really suck at this.

[yankees228]

Maybe it's just me, but isn't Teixeira already over the plate when he first makes contact with Wilson (based on that picture)?

[bsox0407]

Where is Wilson - LH batter's box

Where is Teix - butt over the plate

Where is the collision - on the 1B side of the plate

 

From your picture.

 

You really suck at this.

 

100 percent right. there is no doubt in my mind that it was intentional. If he was wanting to be safe he slides away from contact.

[bsox0407]

BTW, Tex should wear some extra padding today and maybe a face guard.

[ORS]

BTW' date=' Tex should wear some extra padding today and maybe a face guard.[/quote']

 

http://imway2fat.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/feedbag.jpg

[bsox0407]

http://imway2fat.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/feedbag.jpg

 

:lol:

[Dipre]

This angle and moment is much better IMO, it shows Tex commiting to plowing him even though Wilson was clearly giving him the plate. A simple hook slide would have sufficed, but he had commited way before.

[Dipre]

http://imway2fat.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/feedbag.jpg

 

Aces.

[yankees228]

Nothing to show for it, but three well struck balls in the first inning. At the very least, early indications are that Pineiro doesn't have the same stuff that he had a couple weeks ago at NYS.

[a700hitter]

Why is their opinion anymore valid than the MLBN guys?

They would ordinarily be more pre-disposed to side with the Yankee player since the Yankees have control over their career. The fact that they criticized their own player meant that the evidence was overwhelming. Also, they had watched what had transpired earlier in the game (Tex got HBP) and they watched the play on replay from many more angles. The MLB guys are not going to be as immersed with one team's games. They see highlights, comment and try to be entertaining. I give what they say very little stock.

[a700hitter]

:lol:

I love this, but after last night I will always refer to him as "horsefaced scumbag"

[a700hitter]

I just turned on the game and noticed that the horsefaced hypocrite is pitching.

[yankees228]

I think the MLBN guys spent sufficient time on it to render a reasonable opinion. Regardless, we've discussed a relatively minor topic ad nauseam, not getting very far.

[yankees228]

Looked like a bad call there, but that was a poor decision by Napoli, and a nice play by Pena.

[a700hitter]

I think the MLBN guys spent sufficient time on it to render a reasonable opinion. Regardless' date=' we've discussed a relatively minor topic ad nauseam, not getting very far.[/quote']I may never say it again, but i agree with the guys in the YES booth.