New York Yankees Gameday Thread

[Chamomile]

Well, disappointing game. It's amazing, outside of two games last September, how infrequently the Yankees pull out close games in Anaheim. AJ, which seems to be the norm away from NYS, wasn't sharp, but he did hang in there and gave them a chance to win.

 

I'd say the most notable part of this game would be Joba, who continues to be very up and down this year. Hopefully, as he readjusts to the routine of being a reliever, he finds more consistency (especially with his velocity), but it remains a huge question mark.

 

It's ironic how the Yankees have gone from a shut down bullpen to a questionable bullpen with Park on the DL and Joba struggling and how the Red Sox bullpen has gone from a question mark to one of the most solid bullpens in baseball - they're now third in AL ERA. But then again, only a fool judges a team's performance by their early April showing.

[yankees228]

Joba's inconsistent start to the year, for what it's worth, is the main reason I take issue with Girardi's decision in the eighth inning. Admittedly, if Joba was consistently pitching well, that would transcend any potential platoon advantages, and you go with your best guy. However, with Joba falling well short of that at the moment, I think you have to match-up.

[yankees228]

Couple more quick follow-ups about Teixeira. Him and Wilson were briefly teammates in 2008, and, as I mentioned before, they talked before the game today. Additionally, both managers called it a clean play.

 

Source - yankees.lhblogs.com

[Chamomile]

Couple more quick follow-ups about Teixeira. Him and Wilson were briefly teammates in 2008, and, as I mentioned before, they talked before the game today. Additionally, both managers called it a clean play.

 

Source - yankees.lhblogs.com

 

Scioscia's been around a while and he's not afraid to speak his mind. If he thinks it was a clean play, it was a clean play. He's forgotten more about baseball than we'll ever know.

[Spudboy]

Wow' date=' totally uncalled for. Dick move.[/quote']

 

I agree. He lowered his shoulder and plowed into the kid. He had clear access to the plate but decided to initiate contact instead.

[Dipre]

Couple more quick follow-ups about Teixeira. Him and Wilson were briefly teammates in 2008, and, as I mentioned before, they talked before the game today. Additionally, both managers called it a clean play.

 

Source - yankees.lhblogs.com

 

Angels players disagree:

 

Some Angels players, however, felt like it would've been quicker and easier for Teixeira to slide because Wilson was fielding the ball on the first-base side of the diamond.

 

"He gave him the plate," center fielder Torii Hunter said. "He could either slide there or take him out. I thought it was a little early for him to take him out. If he slides, he's safe regardless. I guess he was on a mission."

 

Teixeira could've been on a mission because he reached base that inning after being drilled on a 92 mph fastball from right-hander Ervin Santana on a 1-1 count with a runner at first. But Santana insisted he didn't mean to hit Teixeira and that he should've slid at home.

 

"I don't know, you know, because he could've scored easily," Santana said. "I don't know if he did it because I just hit him and the count was 1-1, but I didn't mean to hit him. He would've scored easily anyways because the throw was a little off the plate."

 

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100423&content_id=9530650&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana

[diony]

I expect some retaliation today.

[riverside sluggers]

So I guess the Sox wont be making a trade for an Angels catcher anytime soon

[Gom]

I honestly would rather have Robertson as the 8th inning guy.

[Gom]

Sorry if I don't fit in because I'm not saying that Teixeira made a dirty play and/or had "intent to injure" but I think my assessment that he didn't need to run over the catcher to score' date=' but that it's fair game to run over a catcher attempting to block the plate is pretty fair and accurate. It's not like he went outside the baseline to hit the catcher. The collision happened over home plate.[/quote']

 

Don't even bother. The guy just doesn't understand baseball unless he's got a graph in front of him. Watch the play in real-time. Tex, while running at full speed, with the ball obviously beating him to the plate, had decided to crash into the catcher. The fact that the Catcher missed the ball is irrelevant. The baserunner has every right to crash into the catcher. The Catcher was on the first base side of the plate and was coming across the plate to tag Tex. The collision happened OVER home plate, just like you said.

 

It was a perfectly legitimate and clean play. However, some people can't understand what they are seeing without being told what they've seen and what to believe.

 

Thinking for themselves and analyzing the play?

 

This is a foreign concept to some people.

[jacksonianmarch]

I will never fault a runner for plowing down a catcher in the regular season or playoffs.

[jacksonianmarch]

Just saw the replay again. Wilson was giving the plate to Tex initially, but he had crossed over the plate when Tex made contact. You guys made it sound like he was hit on the first base side of the plate. The collision occured directly over the plate. It isnt dirty

[a700hitter]

Just saw the replay again. Wilson was giving the plate to Tex initially' date=' but he had crossed over the plate when Tex made contact. You guys made it sound like he was hit on the first base side of the plate. The collision occurred directly over the plate. It isnt dirty[/quote']Tex had already committed to making contact before the catcher started moving back to the plate. The catcher's movement back toward the plate made the collision worse, but Tex had committed to hammering the catcher before that and the plate was completely open for a feet first slide or a slide to the back of the plate with a hand swipe. Everyone is ignoring the commentary by the Yankee announcers who called it unnecessary. I understand that the biased Yankee fanatics would want to defend their horsefaced hero.

[yankees228]

There is one thing that we do know, and one thing that we don't know.

 

What we do know - He could have scored without colliding with the catcher.

 

What we don't know and what we'll never know - What his intent was.

 

It's a pretty senseless argument in my opinion.

[a700hitter]

There is one thing that we do know, and one thing that we don't know.

 

What we do know - He could have scored without colliding with the catcher.

 

What we don't know and what we'll never know - What his intent was.

 

It's a pretty senseless argument in my opinion.

You are correct that we know that he could have scored without colliding with the catcher, in many different ways. Therefore, we also know a second thing --that he intentionally bowled over the catcher. Because of the first thing we know, we also know that the second thing was unnecessary. Draw your own conclusions.

[Dipre]

You are correct that we know that he could have scored without colliding with the catcher' date=' in many different ways. Therefore, we also know a second thing --that he intentionally bowled over the catcher. Because of the first thing we know, we also know that the second thing was unnecessary. Draw your own conclusions.[/quote']

 

But you're a sheep. You don't draw conclusions, thinking of the play and analizing the outcome yourself is a foreign concept to you. /isGom.

[yankees228]

You are correct that we know that he could have scored without colliding with the catcher' date=' in many different ways. Therefore, we also know a second thing --that he intentionally bowled over the catcher. Because of the first thing we know, we also know that the second thing was unnecessary. Draw your own conclusions.[/quote']

 

Do you think it's possible that he simply made a bad decision? We're talking about a guy who has never had a history of things like this. I think, when determining intent, you have to take into account the guy's history. For instance, when Joba hits someone, many people are quick to claim that it was intentional, based on his history. It works both ways.

[a700hitter]

Do you think it's possible that he simply made a bad decision? We're talking about a guy who has never had a history of things like this. I think' date=' when determining intent, you have to take into account the guy's history. For instance, when Joba hits someone, many people are quick to claim that it was intentional, based on his history. It works both ways.[/quote']His intent was to hit the guy and hit the guy hard, and we all know that it was completely unnecessary. He could see the open plate. Was it a bad decision? Definitely yes. Was he intending to land the guy on the DL? I would think not. Does he have any regrets over a needless vicious hit? We don't know.

[yankees228]

His intent was to hit the guy and hit the guy hard' date=' and we all know that it was completely unnecessary. He could see the open plate. Was it a bad decision? Definitely yes. Was he intending to land the guy on the DL? I would think not. Does he have any regrets over a needless vicious hit? We don't know.[/quote']

 

Well, all we know is that him and Wilson are friends, he said after the game he felt terrible, and he attempted to call Wilson in the clubhouse.

[a700hitter]

Well' date=' all we know is that him and Wilson are friends, he said after the game he felt terrible, and he attempted to call Wilson in the clubhouse.[/quote']... and Pete Rose had dinner with Ray Fosse the night before the AllStar game.

[yankees228]

... and Pete Rose had dinner with Ray Fosse the night before the AllStar game.

 

Haha, but I'm sure he didn't say after the game that he felt terrible about the injury.

[a700hitter]

Haha' date=' but I'm sure he didn't say after the game that he felt terrible about the injury.[/quote']I don't think Rose wanted to hurt him and ruin his career. Neither has said that they regret making the play. At least Fosse was blocking the plate.

[Gom]

Just saw the replay again. Wilson was giving the plate to Tex initially' date=' but he had crossed over the plate when Tex made contact. You guys made it sound like he was hit on the first base side of the plate. The collision occured directly over the plate. It isnt dirty[/quote']

 

He saw the catcher turn to tag him. He assumed the catcher had the ball. I know I would have. So would you, since you actually played the game, and not on your playstation.

 

Jacko, why bother? If it's a Yankee, it's a dirty play, and the player should be suspended. If it's a Red Sox, it's a good old-fashioned hard play that should be applauded.

 

If they win, it's overcoming adversity [never mind their advantages over the other 29 teams]. If we win, it's cheating, a given that we were going to win, etc.

 

This is not even questionable. Turn on MLB Network, and all they say is how it was a good, hard, clean play.

 

Jacko, will you join me in pouring the whiners here a nice, ice cold mug of "Shut the f*** Up"?

[yankees228]

I don't think Rose wanted to hurt him and ruin his career. Neither has said that they regret making the play. At least Fosse was blocking the plate.

 

Yeah, again, there's no question in my mind that what Teixeira did was unnecessary. I'm just not convinced that there was any ill-intent.

[a700hitter]

Yeah' date=' again, there's no question in my mind that what Teixeira did was unnecessary. I'm just not convinced that there was any ill-intent.[/quote']Intending to hit a guy hard when you know that it is unnecessary can never have any good intent.

[a700hitter]

Yeah' date=' again, there's no question in my mind that what Teixeira did was unnecessary. I'm just not convinced that there was any ill-intent.[/quote']He didn't intend to DL the guy, but he didn't want it to feel good.

[yankees228]

Intending to hit a guy hard when you know that it is unnecessary can never have any good intent.

 

That's based on the assumption that he knew it was unnecessary. At the time, he very well may have thought it was necessary, simply coming back to the point that it might have just been a bad decision.

[a700hitter]

That's based on the assumption that he knew it was unnecessary. At the time' date=' he very well may have thought it was necessary, simply coming back to the point that it might have just been a bad decision.[/quote']I've played the game for years. You look for the plate when you are coming home. You are focused on it like a laser. The only time you consider going in standing up is if you can't see the plate. He saw it. The announcers knew that he saw it. Only the fans feel the need to want to protect him and not think ill of him. He may be a great guy and great teammate, but this was a scumbag move. It doesn't define him as a person, but it is what it is.

[yankees228]

Teixeira said after the game that, when he saw the catcher turn towards him, he assumed he had the ball, and made the decision to go into him. People make poor decisions when forced to make them in haste. I think this is a plausible scenario. Either way, we're going in circles.

[Dipre]

He saw the catcher turn to tag him. He assumed the catcher had the ball. I know I would have. So would you, since you actually played the game, and not on your playstation.

 

Jacko, why bother? If it's a Yankee, it's a dirty play, and the player should be suspended. If it's a Red Sox, it's a good old-fashioned hard play that should be applauded.

 

If they win, it's overcoming adversity [never mind their advantages over the other 29 teams]. If we win, it's cheating, a given that we were going to win, etc.

 

This is not even questionable. Turn on MLB Network, and all they say is how it was a good, hard, clean play.

 

Jacko, will you join me in pouring the whiners here a nice, ice cold mug of "Shut the f*** Up"?

 

You're trying to make a point about other posters "whining" by creating a post that is a "whinefest" of epic proportions and, of course, being a douchebag. Well done.