RIP Red Sox 2010 Season (and my credibility)

[Dojji]

I have to say I think a700 has a point. We have a guy who can fake it at third occasionally to take the pressure off Youkilis here already (Lowell) and when we acquired Bill Hall, one of the things we gained was additional depth at third base. Beltre is not strictly speaking necessary, and he does impact the already serious corner infield logjam.

 

If we hadn't acquired Beltre, solving the catching situation would be hecka easier. Just move V-Mart to first, play Youks at third longterm, promote Wagner and stick him behind (or ahead of as the situation warrants) Tek. If Tek can't hack it at midseason, drop him and either make a trade (Snyder? Napoli? Ramirez?) or call up Brown depending on how Wags is hitting.

 

I'm not sure Scutaro was strictly speaking necessary, and signing any SS past the age of about 33 frankly scares me especially if they haven't exactly been great defensively throughout their careers ("average" about sums up Scutaro's career performance as a defensive SS -- a cut or two above what we had last year, but still... average)

[BoSox21]

I agree with the a700 on that as well but I think considering 67% of the starting OF is currently on the DL and Drew has started off atrociously, I'd say the jury is still out on that.

[rhet]

The Sox are middle of the pack in runs scored but 3rd worst in the AL in team ERA. Offense hasn't really been the problem for the most part.

 

Part of the bad ERA is bad fielding. Whether it's errors that are called hits or plays that should be made but aren't, this is the worst group I can remember.

[jacksonianmarch]

Lets break down that run scoring potential here....

 

Red Sox have scored 82 runs through 19 games. That is an average of 4.32 per game. That average is 21st in all of baseball.

 

Now, the sox faced 2 cupcakes (KC and BAL) and 1 team with no pitching whatsoever. In those games, the sox scored 51 runs in 9 games. That is an average of 5.67 runs per game

 

Against the three teams who should be contending this yr (NYY, MIN, TB ) they scored 27 runs in 10 games. That is an average of 2.7 per game.

 

I am sorry, but the offense is just as much to blame, as they cannot hit any sort of thing close to good pitching. In those 10 games noted above, the sox lost 8 of them. That should tell you something. If they went .500 in those games, they'd be 11-8. Their offense let them down.

 

In terms of their pitching, the sox are 22nd in baseball in ERA. They are tied for 8th in UER at 9. That should improve as their big 3 are being led around by Wake and Buch. But the offense is where it is at. If they continue to totally lie down against the good teams, then you have no chance

[Dipre]

Part of the bad ERA is bad fielding. Whether it's errors that are called hits or plays that should be made but aren't' date=' this is the worst group I can remember.[/quote']

 

You're consistent, i'll give you that.

[Dipre]

Lets break down that run scoring potential here....

 

Red Sox have scored 82 runs through 19 games. That is an average of 4.32 per game. That average is 21st in all of baseball.

 

Now, the sox faced 2 cupcakes (KC and BAL) and 1 team with no pitching whatsoever. In those games, the sox scored 51 runs in 9 games. That is an average of 5.67 runs per game

 

Against the three teams who should be contending this yr (NYY, MIN, TB ) they scored 27 runs in 10 games. That is an average of 2.7 per game.

 

I am sorry, but the offense is just as much to blame, as they cannot hit any sort of thing close to good pitching. In those 10 games noted above, the sox lost 8 of them. That should tell you something. If they went .500 in those games, they'd be 11-8. Their offense let them down.

 

In terms of their pitching, the sox are 22nd in baseball in ERA. They are tied for 8th in UER at 9. That should improve as their big 3 are being led around by Wake and Buch. But the offense is where it is at. If they continue to totally lie down against the good teams, then you have no chance

 

Drew, Youk, Ortiz, Pedroia and Martinez are not going to continue on their current level of performance and will regain their form sooner rather than later. Some of the things people conveniently forget.

[rhet]

You're consistent' date=' i'll give you that.[/quote']

 

That's because facts don't change.

[a700hitter]

Drew' date=' Youk, Ortiz, Pedroia and Martinez are not going to continue on their current level of performance and will regain their form sooner rather than later. Some of the things people conveniently forget.[/quote']...and if we are 10 games behind the Yanks and rays when they start playing well, the hole may be too deep to crawl out of. The Yanks are not playing out of their heads. Tex is hitting worse than Ortiz.

[Dipre]

That's because facts don't change.

 

So it's a "Fact" that the team will continue this level of play? Lol ok.

[Dipre]

...and if we are 10 games behind the Yanks and rays when they start playing well' date=' the hole may be too deep to crawl out of. The Yanks are not playing out of their heads. Tex is hitting worse than Ortiz.[/quote']

 

But Pettite is pitching like he was 28. See, some things are unsustainable for them as well. In the end, it all evens out.

[a700hitter]

But Pettite is pitching like he was 28. See' date=' some things are unsustainable for them as well. In the end, it all evens out.[/quote']Vasquez is pitching like he is 48 and Joba is stinking.

[rhet]

So it's a "Fact" that the team will continue this level of play? Lol ok.

 

It is a fact that the defense has played atrociously.

 

Predictions of future events are not facts, nor did I state such.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

So it's a "Fact" that the team will continue this level of play? Lol ok.

No, a 'fact' is that errors are not a misleading, opinion-based, ******** abortion of a stat that only an imbecile would put any stock into. HaIlTrOt

[Dipre]

Vasquez is pitching like he is 48 and Joba is stinking.

 

The problem with that is, everyone knew Vasquez would suck.

[Dipre]

It is a fact that the defense has played atrociously.

 

Predictions of future events are not facts, nor did I state such.

 

The "Fact" is that your "Facts" are unimportant given the matter of sample size. Feel free to continue whining and complaining though.

[a700hitter]

No' date=' a 'fact' is that errors are not a misleading, opinion-based, ******** abortion of a stat that only an imbecile would put any stock into. HaIlTrOt[/quote']You are right. Beltre should have at least two more errors and he should be given mental errors for two other plays.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

You are right. Beltre should have at least two more errors and he should be given mental errors for two other plays.

 

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[rhet]

The "Fact" is that your "Facts" are unimportant given the matter of sample size. Feel free to continue whining and complaining though.

 

6 games behind and playing poorly are facts everyone can understand.

[Dipre]

6 games behind and playing poorly are facts everyone can understand.

 

Let me ask you a simple question that will settle all of my doubts.

 

Do you think the team's current level of play constitutes their norm or is it a matter of a slump, the likes of which happen through the season to all teams?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Let me ask you a simple question that will settle all of my doubts.

 

Do you think the team's current level of play constitutes their norm or is it a matter of a slump, the likes of which happen through the season to all teams?

I can't wait to see how he'll dodge this one. Maybe he'll just ignore it, which is what usually happens once he's cornered.

[a700hitter]

Let me ask you a simple question that will settle all of my doubts.

 

Do you think the team's current level of play constitutes their norm or is it a matter of a slump, the likes of which happen through the season to all teams?

They have to start beating up on the bad teams and they have to show that they can beat the Yanks or the Rays. They haven't done any of this yet. If they dig a big hole against two good teams that they can barely play .500 against, they will not be able to catch them.

[Dipre]

They have to start beating up on the bad teams and they have to show that they can beat the Yanks or the Rays. They haven't done any of this yet. If they dig a big hole against two good teams that they can barely play .500 against' date=' they will not be able to catch them.[/quote']

 

This doesn't answer my question.

[rhet]

Let me ask you a simple question that will settle all of my doubts.

 

Do you think the team's current level of play constitutes their norm or is it a matter of a slump, the likes of which happen through the season to all teams?

 

Not a simple question, but I'll give it a shot. My opinion (i.e., not a fact) is that team hitting and pitching slumps can often last two or three weeks before returning to 'normal'. However, teams that field badly for a few weeks usually field badly all season. It is not a fully recoverable slump in my opinion.

[rhet]

I can't wait to see how he'll dodge this one. Maybe he'll just ignore it' date=' which is what usually happens once he's cornered.[/quote']

 

 

Is that a fact?

 

Perhaps you might cite your sample size before making such an assertion.

[Dipre]

Not a simple question' date=' but I'll give it a shot. My opinion (i.e., not a fact) is that team hitting and pitching slumps can often last two or three weeks before returning to 'normal'. However, teams that field badly for a few weeks usually field badly all season. It is not a fully recoverable slump in my opinion.[/quote']

 

Not a significant enough sample size IMO. Agree to disagree.

[rhet]

Not a significant enough sample size IMO. Agree to disagree.

 

'Opinions' don't require statistical significance.

[Dojji]

Let me ask you a simple question that will settle all of my doubts.

 

Do you think the team's current level of play constitutes their norm or is it a matter of a slump, the likes of which happen through the season to all teams?

 

I don't think that matters as much as it did a week ago. It *IS* possible to slump so badly in April that by the time you get your **** together you're effectively out of the race.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Oh, and another thing.

 

This season has been labeled, by a few different people, as a 'bridge' season. Fine. Suppose that the April struggles do ultimately prove to be the real deal, and the Sox don't make the playoffs this year. If they're setting themselves up better for the long run, who cares? What's so special about 2010 that the Sox not making the playoffs is some disastrous event that will place so many people on suicide watch?

 

No, this post doesn't mean I'm the least bit concerned.

[Dipre]

I don't think that matters as much as it did a week ago. It *IS* possible to slump so badly in April that by the time you get your **** together you're effectively out of the race.

 

If they were 10 games out.

[redsoxrules]

I don't think that matters as much as it did a week ago. It *IS* possible to slump so badly in April that by the time you get your **** together you're effectively out of the race.

 

so wrong

 

so many teams have had a s***** April and made the playoffs

 

if this team still looks like this on may 15th , then I'll be concerned