RIP Red Sox 2010 Season (and my credibility)

[Dipre]

'Opinions' don't require statistical significance.

 

So instead of basing my opinions on statistical analysis i should just go on "my gut"? (And RBI)

[a700hitter]

This doesn't answer my question.

To answer your question, I don't think they are playing up to their standards, but they don't have a lot of time to get back to playing up to their standards, and if they are going to dig out of any substantial hole, they'll need to play above their heads for an extended period.

[Dojji]

If they were 10 games out.

 

Oh I don't think they're there yet, but I do think they're working on it. As it is we're counting on two different teams to fare a little worse down the stretch worse than their overall talent level suggests they should. That's not unlike the dynamic that faced the 2008 Yankees trying to get back into that particular race. They fell behind a bit early and despite a fairly talented roster they wound up in third place.

[Dojji]

so wrong

 

so many teams have had a s***** April and made the playoffs

 

if this team still looks like this on may 15th , then I'll be concerned

 

That's only about 2-3 weeks away or so.

 

We really need to be seeing some signs of life from JD Drew in particular. It's critical that he get it going, and fast.

[redsoxrules]

Oh I don't think they're there yet' date=' but I do think they're working on it. As it is we're counting on two different teams to fare a little worse down the stretch worse than their overall talent level suggests they should. That's not unlike the dynamic that faced the 2008 Yankees trying to get back into that particular race. They fell behind a bit early and despite a fairly talented roster they wound up in third place.[/quote']

 

and what happened last year after the yankees had a slow start ? ? and 2007 ? and before that ?

[Dipre]

Oh I don't think they're there yet' date=' but I do think they're working on it. As it is we're counting on two different teams to fare a little worse down the stretch worse than their overall talent level suggests they should. That's not unlike the dynamic that faced the 2008 Yankees trying to get back into that particular race. They fell behind a bit early and despite a fairly talented roster they wound up in third place.[/quote']

 

2008 Yankees were injured and ineffective down the stretch, not to mention Cano's suck. Different situations.

[rhet]

So instead of basing my opinions on statistical analysis i should just go on "my gut"? (And RBI)

 

You can base your opinions on anything you like. But it is folly to dismiss my opinion, based on many years of observation, because this team hasn't played a lot of games. It's a simple non sequitur.

[redsoxrules]

That's only about 2-3 weeks away or so.

 

We really need to be seeing some signs of life from JD Drew in particular. It's critical that he get it going, and fast.

 

that's 20 more games

[Dipre]

You can base your opinions on anything you like. But it is folly to dismiss my opinion' date=' based on many years of observation, because this team hasn't played a lot of games. It's a simple non sequitur.[/quote']

 

I believe i said "Agree to disagree". Need i say more? Did you want a teddy bear, a blanket and a kiss goodnight?

 

"Agree to disagree", if i recall correctly, means "I respect your opinion but don't share it".

[rhet]

and what happened last year after the yankees had a slow start ?

 

They recognized their problems and made changes.

[Dojji]

2008 Yankees were injured and ineffective down the stretch' date=' not to mention Cano's suck. Different situations.[/quote']

 

I'm not sure the difference is that big. Our roster is more talented than the 2008 Yankees, I agree about that, and I agree we do have a fighting chance, especially since our rotation is in its prime and the Yankees' rotation is too old while the Rays' rotation is decidedlly on the young side. But that doesn't help us if our staff can't get some consistency going. It's going to be touch and go as it is already.

[a700hitter]

and what happened last year after the yankkes had a slow start ? ? and 2007 ? and before that ?

In 2008 they didn't make the playoffs. Before 2008, Tampa was a bad team. Now they are a force. They didn't have to contend with having the best two teams in the league being in their division. Last year the yankees were clearly better than everyone, and Tampa did have Price coming into his own nor did they have a closer.

[Dipre]

They recognized their problems and made changes.

 

What changes were those? Can you please specify?

[Dipre]

I'm not sure the difference is that big. Our roster is more talented than the 2008 Yankees' date=' I agree about that, and I agree we do have a fighting chance, especially since our rotation is in its prime and the Yankees' rotation is too old while the Rays' rotation is decidedlly on the young side. But that doesn't help us if our staff can't get some consistency going. It's going to be touch and go as it is already.[/quote']

 

That's really my point.

[a700hitter]

2008 Yankees were injured and ineffective down the stretch' date=' not to mention Cano's suck. Different situations.[/quote']

... and the 2010 Rays are better than the 2008 Rays.

[rhet]

I believe i said "Agree to disagree". Need i say more? Did you want a teddy bear, a blanket and a kiss goodnight?

 

"Agree to disagree", if i recall correctly, means "I respect your opinion but don't share it".

 

Your reasoning is inconsistent. If you agree to disagree, why bother with the jibberish about the sample.

 

You are not talking substance here. Start with this. Do you or do you not believe fielding slumps can be broken?

[Dipre]

... and the 2010 Rays are better than the 2008 Rays.

 

Their bullpen and back of the rotation are suspect. The Rays are not as perfect a team as people, while in the middle of their panic mode, are making them out to be.

[Dipre]

Your reasoning is inconsistent. If you agree to disagree, why bother with the jibberish about the sample.

 

You are not talking substance here. Start with this. Do you or do you not believe fielding slumps can be broken?

 

My reasoning is not inconsistent, i was stating the reason why i disagree. Logic eludes you.

[redsoxrules]

Your reasoning is inconsistent. If you agree to disagree, why bother with the jibberish about the sample.

 

You are not talking substance here. Start with this. Do you or do you not believe fielding slumps can be broken?

 

 

Hitting slumps can be broken so why not fielding slumps?

 

players get into groves on the field as they do at the plate

 

lots of time you'll see a player get multiple errors in a short period of time and then go 25 games without making one

[rhet]

What changes were those? Can you please specify?

 

They took Wang out the rotation, moved Hughes to setup, moved Jeter to leadoff, moved Damon to left, made Swisher the everyday right fielder, got Arod back, worked in the young catchers, etc.

[rhet]

My reasoning is not inconsistent' date=' i was stating the reason [b']why[/b] i disagree. Logic eludes you.

 

You are not talking substance here. Start with this. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT BELIEVE TEAM FIELDING SLUMPS CAN BE BROKEN?

[Dipre]

They took Wang out the rotation' date=' moved Hughes to setup, moved Jeter to leadoff, moved Damon to left, made Swisher the everyday right fielder, got Arod back, worked in the young catchers, etc.[/quote']

 

Jeter started the year at leadoff. Swisher played in right because Nady got injured. Damon was already a LF, got A-Rod back because he got injured. A lot of this were things that happened because of circumstance. Holds no water.

[Dipre]

You are not talking substance here. Start with this. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT BELIEVE FIELDING SLUMPS CAN BE BROKEN?

 

A player can look bad on D for a couple of days because of a number of reasons, then stop making mental errors on D for prolonged periods of time. SO I BELIEVE FIELDING "SLUMPS" CAN STOP, SPECIALLY IF THE GUY HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD AND WAS PLAYING POORLY DUE TO INJURY (CAMERON) OR HAVING MENTAL LAPSES (BELTRE).

[rhet]

Hitting slumps can be broken so why not fielding slumps?

 

players get into groves on the field as they do at the plate

 

lots of time you'll see a player get multiple errors in a short period of time and then go 25 games without making one

 

Never really seen a team go from fielding poorly to fielding well, without changing personnel.

[Dipre]

Never really seen a team go from fielding poorly to fielding well' date=' without changing personnel.[/quote']

 

So you contend the team as a whole is fielding poorly? Lol.

[rhet]

So you contend the team as a whole is fielding poorly?

 

Yes, that is obvious.

[Dipre]

Yes' date=' that is obvious.[/quote']

 

So Youkilis, Pedroia, Drew are all fielding poorly?

 

Your desire to bash the team ad FO have clouded both your judgement and abilty to think logically. No matter your reply, the sweeping statement clearly identifies the fact that your opinion is influeced by passion, not an interest in logical explanations or analysis. Try to fix that.

[a700hitter]

So you contend the team as a whole is fielding poorly? Lol.

Right now the catchers stink, the SS has been bad, and the Gold Glove 3B is in a fielding and thinking slump. Bill Hall is a mess in the OF and McDonald is not exactly Paul Blair either. Oh, and Hermida is no Yaz, not even Rice in LF. How would you sum that up? They are stinking right now in the field.

[a700hitter]

So Youkilis, Pedroia, Drew are all fielding poorly?

 

Your desire to bash the team ad FO have clouded both your judgement and abilty to think logically. No matter your reply, the sweeping statement clearly identifies the fact that your opinion is influeced by passion, not an interest in logical explanations or analysis. Try to fix that.

Even terrible fielding teams have a few good guys. The team defense notwithstanding those guys has been terrible.

[Dipre]

Right now the catchers stink' date=' the SS has been bad, and the Gold Glove 3B is in a fielding and thinking slump. Bill Hall is a mess in the OF and McDonald is not exactly Paul Blair either. Oh, and Hermida is no Yaz, not even Rice in LF. How would you sum that up? They are stinking right now in the field.[/quote']

 

McDonald is a passable CF, and Youkilis, Pedroia and Drew and playing up to their usual standards. Sweeping generalizations are never correct.