Schilling: Sign Beckett -- Now

[Dipre]

Because Beltre's walk year in Seattle was fantastic.

 

Anywho, I'd take improved performance from Beckett in a walk year, but I lose respect for guys who can only focus well enough to perform at their peaks when there's money on the table. I'd rather know that I had a guy who'd give 100% at all times.

 

 

Two thousand and four: 334/.388/.629 1.017 OPS 163 OPS+

 

Did you read above where i made the "Health-permitting" statement?

[Dojji]

Spuddy check PM plz.

[Dojji]

 

Did you read above where i made the "Health-permitting" statement?

 

Actually yeah I did, but IMHO it doesn't change a ton. I really don't believe in the contract year phenomenon, and as I said I have little respect for a player who's only motivated to do his job when there's a contract in the offing.

[Dipre]

Actually yeah I did' date=' but IMHO it doesn't change a ton. I really don't believe in the contract year phenomenon, and as I said I have little respect for a player who's only motivated to do his job when there's a contract in the offing.[/quote']

 

Do you or don't you believe? From this post, you say you don't believe, but seem to acknowledge the fact that the phenomenon exists. Left or right?

 

I'll bet American currency that if Beckett's healthy he puts up monster, '07-like (or better) numbers.

[Dojji]

OK, let me clarify then.

 

I don't believe in it, and if it did exist, it wouldn't speak well of a player's ability to motivate himself in other years.

 

I'm betting on a monster year from Beckett too, but mostly because I think he's due.

[YAZMAN]

OK, let me clarify then.

 

I don't believe in it, and if it did exist, it wouldn't speak well of a player's ability to motivate himself in other years.

 

I'm betting on a monster year from Beckett too, but mostly because I think he's due.

 

I believe that Beckett will have a monster year, and I believe that there will be more speculation here on free agents than there will be on the entire intarweb about Area 54.

 

[youtube=Area 54 Crash Site]3HQbaIy5JXc

[Spudboy]

I believe that Beckett will have a monster year, and I believe that there will be more speculation here on free agents than there will be on the entire intarweb about Area 54.

 

[youtube=Area 54 Crash Site]3HQbaIy5JXc

 

Hahahahahahahah!

 

This should be required viewing for all Talksox members!

 

I have only one question. Nixon was one of the two pictures in the background. Who was the other one?

[YAZMAN]

I have only one question. Nixon was one of the two pictures in the background. Who was the other one?

 

I think it's Spiro Agnew.

[Imperial59]

I think it will all come down to Lee's performance next year. If he regresses significantly, I'd avoid him, but if he posts another low 3 ERA, I'd prefer him. There's not much Beckett can do to influence my opinion. 2007 was a career year for him and he'd have to repeat that kind of performance to approach Lee the last two years.

 

2009

Beckett - 3.63 FIP, 5.3 WAR

Lee - 3.11 FIP, 6.6 WAR

 

2008

Beckett - 3.24 FIP, 5.0 WAR

Lee - 2.83 FIP, 7.2 WAR

 

2007

Beckett - 3.08 FIP, 6.5 WAR

Lee - 5.48 FIP, 0.2 WAR

[a700hitter]

Hahahahahahahah!

 

This should be required viewing for all Talksox members!

 

I have only one question. Nixon was one of the two pictures in the background. Who was the other one?

J. Edgar Hoover?

[Spudboy]

I think it's Spiro Agnew.

 

Ahhhh. I was thinking that but His head looked too fat.

 

Agnew. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

At least Nixon was a big baseball fan.

[Spudboy]

J. Edgar Hoover?

 

Hmmm. Was he still with the FBI in 1973? (I refuse to Google!). Looked like Gorbachev. Which makes no sense. Maybe I should have my eyes examined!

[Spudboy]

"J. Edgar Hoover is the man of the hour

all he needs is just a little more power."

 

"How do I know, I read it in the daily news.

Daily news, daily news, pick up a copy any time you choose.

Ten little pennys in the news boy's hands and you ride right off to never never land".

 

That's for everyone over fifty.

[Imperial59]

"J. Edgar Hoover is the man of the hour

all he needs is just a little more power."

 

"How do I know, I read it in the daily news.

Daily news, daily news, pick up a copy any time you choose.

Ten little pennys in the news boy's hands and you ride right off to never never land".

 

That's for everyone over fifty.

 

I'm only 22 and the extent of my knowledge of Hoover was learned in my White Collar Crime class in college (my professor was ex-FBI).

[Spudboy]

I'm only 22 and the extent of my knowledge of Hoover was learned in my White Collar Crime class in college (my professor was ex-FBI).

 

The song I was quoting was penned and sung by Tom Paxton, I believe.

 

Of course I'm way too old to actually remember the exact details. It could have been someone else.

 

In any case, young people had the balls to say what was on their minds back then.

Now most youth are only concerned with if their parents have paid the ISP monthly fee so they can play MW2 and look at porn.

[Imperial59]

The song I was quoting was penned and sung by Tom Paxton, I believe.

 

Of course I'm way too old to actually remember the exact details. It could have been someone else.

 

In any case, young people had the balls to say what was on their minds back then.

Now most youth are only concerned with if their parents have paid the ISP monthly fee so they can play MW2 and look at porn.

 

I don't know about that, people still have the ball to say what's on their mind, it's not not popular enough to be on the radio. For evidence you could look at The Ruling Class by Loose Fur or Wilco and Billy Bragg's interpretation of Woody Guthrie's The Unwelcome Guest which was never put to music by Guthrie I believe. M.I.A. isn't really my thing but she backs the Tamir Tigers in her songs, which are considered by most to be a radical terrorist group. But her father was a member. And other artists like Bonnie "Prince" Billy are releasing quite candid, almost morbid songs like "Death to Everyone".

 

I think musicians are still speaking their mind now as much as ever but it's more on the fringe.

[Keeper]

We would all be content with either Lee or Beckett in the rotation. They're both horses.

 

True. Under the precondition that Lee has another great season this year in Seattle, I would prefer Lee moving forward, but to clarify my position I wouldn't be upset if the Sox re-signed Beckett.

 

I have an interesting question though.

 

Who else thinks the "Career year" theory is a reality?

 

Health permitting, i see a 220 ip, 225 K, sub 3.50 ERA from Becket this walk year. I also see him never, ever putting up thos numbers again, no matter where he goes.

 

Definitely believe in the contract year theory. It may not be admirable, but a lot of guys miraculously take their game to a new level when money is on the line.

[TheKilo]

Bill Lee didn't strike people out. And Cliff Lee has a higher K/9 in his career and the last 2 seasons than Lester had in 2008. Also' date=' Lester's K/9 went way up in 2009 from the year before, and he wasn't markedly better.[/quote']

 

Bill Lee had ONE good season in a Red Sox uniform. And you'll also have to show me where I called Jon Lester great in that post, I think he is very good but I would not commit 5/100 to him right now.

 

And while I do not have the stats in front o me, I am pretty sure Lester wasthe victim of an abnormally high BABIP last season (especially early on) and that contributed to his counting stats not being "markedly better".

[Dojji]

Bill Lee had one great season, 2 decent seasons, and then I guess he got hurt in 76? Really wasn't the same after that anyhow.

[a700hitter]

Bill Lee had ONE good season in a Red Sox uniform. And you'll also have to show me where I called Jon Lester great in that post, I think he is very good but I would not commit 5/100 to him right now.

 

And while I do not have the stats in front o me, I am pretty sure Lester wasthe victim of an abnormally high BABIP last season (especially early on) and that contributed to his counting stats not being "markedly better".

He was a bona fide Yankee-killer and that is one of the big reasons why the fans liked him.

 

Edit: Moret was also a Yankee-killer back in those days.

[Imperial59]

Bill Lee had ONE good season in a Red Sox uniform. And you'll also have to show me where I called Jon Lester great in that post, I think he is very good but I would not commit 5/100 to him right now.

 

And while I do not have the stats in front o me, I am pretty sure Lester wasthe victim of an abnormally high BABIP last season (especially early on) and that contributed to his counting stats not being "markedly better".

 

What about Frank Viola Kilo? He was dominant for us in the early 90's striking out 2-4 batters every nine innings.

[Ray10]

I dunno personally Lester is the ace of this staff now and I'd rather save the money and go after Cliff Lee in the offseason.

[BSN07]

I dunno personally Lester is the ace of this staff now and I'd rather save the money and go after Cliff Lee in the offseason.

 

This brings up something I have been meaning to ask everyone. What does everyone think it will take to sign Beckett/Lee? Is it a given Lee will come cheaper then Beckett as Ray10 alluded to? What about years?

[TheKilo]

What about Frank Viola Kilo? He was dominant for us in the early 90's striking out 2-4 batters every nine innings.

 

Today's game is much different and I don't put too much stock in two seasons.

[a700hitter]

Today's game is much different and I don't put too much stock in two seasons.

Cliff Lee has only had one bad season. He's been pretty good to great the rest of the time.

[Ray10]

This brings up something I have been meaning to ask everyone. What does everyone think it will take to sign Beckett/Lee? Is it a given Lee will come cheaper then Beckett as Ray10 alluded to? What about years?

 

 

Im not saying that Lee will come cheaper then Beckett im just saying the money that would be put towards signing Beckett I would rather they save it and put it towards signing Cliff Lee I know Lee wont come cheap at all.

[Dojji]

I can't agree with that. I think Beckett is worth paying more than Lee is, pending the results from this season.

[Dipre]

Neither of their values is set in stone until the season is over. Neither is "worth more" until their actual value has been established.

[Dojji]

In objective numbers, I agree, but if you're talking about a guy Boston should pay, I feel Beckett has a few advantages.

[Dipre]

Objectivity is what Front Offices usually use before spending money on a ballplayer.