5th Starter Options?

[Imperial59]

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/auld_lang_sign_lnyUGytHfw1E9U0jIMUpMN

 

The NYP has reported that Cashman wants to add a new starter by Jan. 1st. With the bottom of the Yankees rotation currently consisting of Joba Chamberlain and Sergio Mitre, they could certainly use some bottom of the rotation help. They could move Hughes to the rotation, but he has a 5.22 ERA as a starter and it would leave the Yankees without a reliable set up man.

 

So what options are there for a 5th starter? The Yankees are rumored to have inquired on Carlos Zambrano, but they didn't like the price. Some sources have claimed the Yankees never talked to the Cubs about him.

 

Other options include Derek Lowe, Aaron Harang, Joel Pineiro, Ben Sheets or Bonderman. But it's unclear whether or not the Yankees are willing to pay for the additional $10+ million it will take to acquire a pitcher via free agency.

[Keeper]

If they got Zambrano, he wouldn't be their 5th starter. He's probably be their 3rd.

[Imperial59]

If they got Zambrano' date=' he wouldn't be their 5th starter. He's probably be their 3rd.[/quote']

 

True. There are plenty of indications that the Yankees are not going to acquire Zambrano, however, but are trying to add another starter.

[rhet]

If Zambrano, Lowe or Bonderman is the Yanks 5th! starter, the Red Sox are in deep doo doo.

[Keeper]

Zambrano, yes. Bonderman and Lowe, no. Bonderman can't stay healthy to save his life. Lowe will be 37 and got rocked in the NL East last year.

[Imperial59]

If Zambrano' date=' Lowe or Bonderman is the Yanks 5th! starter, the Red Sox are in deep doo doo.[/quote']

 

[BSN07]

ESPN.com's Buster Olney tweets the following: "Yankees working very hard tonight on deal for starting pitcher. Remember that they came close to deal for Aaron Harang in summer".

[BSN07]

If Zambrano' date=' Lowe or Bonderman is the Yanks 5th! starter, the Red Sox are in deep doo doo.[/quote']

 

Zambrano maybe, but he is a head case.

 

Lowe? Hahahaha yes please.

 

Bonderman is Pavanoish. He could be a good if he could stay on the mound and out of the training room. But I don't see the Yanks taking that big of a risk. He makes like 12+M this season or something like that.

 

The Yankees should be trying to bring in Sheets IMO. I would like the Sox to bring him in and keep Wake as the swing man in the pen.

[Loretta2]

Who of real quality do they realistically have to trade, Jesus Montero is really all thats left after dealing Jackson. Unless they want to trade Hughes/Joba. So who could be available for Montero and a bunch of bullllshiiiitttt. Certainly not Zambrano.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/yankees-after-starting-pitcher.html

 

Might be Harang. I lobbied for him a few yrs ago since I thought his location of a quality sinker and plus breaking ball added to his K numbers and his endurance was a good idea. But the last 2 yrs, he's been plagued with injuries and ineffectiveness. His injury last yr was appendicitis, so that shouldnt linger. But another thing we have seen is an increase in BAA. And with that, we have seen an increase in BABIP. In 2009, his BABIP was .336. In 2008, his BABIP was .318.

 

The funny thing is, over the last 5 yrs, his peripherals havent moved too much. His K/9IP have all been over 7, with a peak at 8.4 and a 2009 number of 7.8. His K/BB has always been over 3, with a peak of 4.2 in 2007 and 3.3 in 2009.

 

So it is interesting. His W/L numbers have been atrocious. His ERA over the last 2 yrs has been over 4. But the peripherals were similar compared to his 2 16 win seasons. Maybe, just maybe, the yankees think that he is worth the risk since his peripherals havent dropped that much and that his endurance could be useful. Regardless, he's a good trade get for the #4 slot in the rotation, as long as we dont have to give up too much

[Dipre]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/yankees-after-starting-pitcher.html

 

Might be Harang. I lobbied for him a few yrs ago since I thought his location of a quality sinker and plus breaking ball added to his K numbers and his endurance was a good idea. But the last 2 yrs, he's been plagued with injuries and ineffectiveness. His injury last yr was appendicitis, so that shouldnt linger. But another thing we have seen is an increase in BAA. And with that, we have seen an increase in BABIP. In 2009, his BABIP was .336. In 2008, his BABIP was .318.

 

The funny thing is, over the last 5 yrs, his peripherals havent moved too much. His K/9IP have all been over 7, with a peak at 8.4 and a 2009 number of 7.8. His K/BB has always been over 3, with a peak of 4.2 in 2007 and 3.3 in 2009.

 

So it is interesting. His W/L numbers have been atrocious. His ERA over the last 2 yrs has been over 4. But the peripherals were similar compared to his 2 16 win seasons. Maybe, just maybe, the yankees think that he is worth the risk since his peripherals havent dropped that much and that his endurance could be useful. Regardless, he's a good trade get for the #4 slot in the rotation, as long as we dont have to give up too much

 

If they don't give up much (and they likely won't) this is a move that could pay off big time for the Yankees.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree. It is all about how much we give up. He's a horse and he has nice peripherals, but he is definitely a risk. And risks are not worth full price. I'd take a C level prospect and the entire contract or a B level prospect and the Reds eating a bunch of cash

[BSN07]

Harang W/L can be attributed to playing on a s***** team. He's ERA is probably inflated by the ban box his team plays in, not that NYS will be any better. The injury concern is there. But atleast it hasn't been anything arm related. He is probably a pretty decent option for the #4-5 spot.

[ORS]

Did Jacko just suggest the Yankees would be receiving money to take a player? Wha-wha-what?

[Imperial59]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/yankees-after-starting-pitcher.html

 

Might be Harang. I lobbied for him a few yrs ago since I thought his location of a quality sinker and plus breaking ball added to his K numbers and his endurance was a good idea. But the last 2 yrs, he's been plagued with injuries and ineffectiveness. His injury last yr was appendicitis, so that shouldnt linger. But another thing we have seen is an increase in BAA. And with that, we have seen an increase in BABIP. In 2009, his BABIP was .336. In 2008, his BABIP was .318.

 

The funny thing is, over the last 5 yrs, his peripherals havent moved too much. His K/9IP have all been over 7, with a peak at 8.4 and a 2009 number of 7.8. His K/BB has always been over 3, with a peak of 4.2 in 2007 and 3.3 in 2009.

 

So it is interesting. His W/L numbers have been atrocious. His ERA over the last 2 yrs has been over 4. But the peripherals were similar compared to his 2 16 win seasons. Maybe, just maybe, the yankees think that he is worth the risk since his peripherals havent dropped that much and that his endurance could be useful. Regardless, he's a good trade get for the #4 slot in the rotation, as long as we dont have to give up too much

 

It could be Harang. He's struggled to stay healthy the last 2 years while his hit rates have jumped from an average of 8.8 in 06 and 07 to 10.2 in 08 and 09. His home run rates have jumped to over 1.5 per 9 IP the last 2 years, something that could be disastrous at the new Yankee Stadium. And his K/9 rates have dropped from 8.4 per 9 to 7.7 per 9. His WHIP has skyrocketed along with this ERA+ and he'll be 32 next year. He's basically the same as a Lowe as far as his value.

[Imperial59]

I agree. It is all about how much we give up. He's a horse and he has nice peripherals' date=' but he is definitely a risk. And risks are not worth full price. I'd take a C level prospect and the entire contract or a B level prospect and the Reds eating a bunch of cash[/quote']

 

Nice peripherals?

 

He's had a WHIP around 1.4 the last 2 years, a hit/9 over 10 and a home run per 9 around 1.6. Sounds like you're putting lipstick on a pig.

[BSN07]

Now Ken Davidoff of Newsday tweets "Hear that #Yankees have "two or three" serious trade talks for starting pitcher - A. Harang isn't one of them." FoxSports.com's Ken Rosenthal adds via Twitter "Source: Yankees in "active negotiations" for a starting pitcher. Not Harang. Trying to find out who."

 

Please be Lowe LOL

[Dipre]

Please be Lowe LOL

 

Please be Lowe please be Lowe please be Lowe.

[Cocos Disciples]

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[Lester82]

LOWE LOWE LOWE.

 

Make. This. Happen. Cash.

[Dipre]

Now Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News tweets that the Yankees are "close to a deal for a starting pitcher, says a source. Still working on who, but I'm told it's not a salary dump deal".

 

Not good.

[Emmz]

Derek Lowe ftw!

[BSN07]

Not good.

 

Hmmm not a salary dump? JJ? That would not be good.

 

Who else has been rumored to be possibly available? I don't see the Cubs moving Zambrano.

[Meh]

Hmmm not a salary dump? JJ? That would not be good.

 

Who else has been rumored to be possibly available? I don't see the Cubs moving Zambrano.

 

Z makes a lot of money too....

 

If I had to guess maybe Wandy Rodriguez? Wade is one of the worst GMs would set up a nice rape.

[26 to 6]

Z makes a lot of money too....

 

If I had to guess maybe Wandy Rodriguez? Wade is one of the worst GMs would set up a nice rape.

I'd pass on Wandy. And please god not Lowe. But by all indications from the various reports out tonight the deal they're currently discussing isn't a salary dump, so it probably isn't Lowe. I'm pretty curious though.

 

If the Yankees CAN'T acquire a good starter via trade, rather than overpay for someone on the free agent market (unless they can get Sheets at a reasonable price) I would take a flier on Hisanori Takahashi, the Yomiuri veteran lefty who declared in November that he would like to come to the majors now that he's a free agent. We've heard almost NOTHING about him so he might be had for next to nothing. He's had a successful career in Japan, and was a big part of the Giants championship this year going 10-6 with a 2.94 ERA in 25 games (missed some time recovering from an injury) and has a career 3.70 ERA. Like I said I wouldn't commit big dollars to him, and wouldn't count on him to solidify a spot in the rotation, but if he can be had for pennies I would bring him to camp. He could be a second lefty in the rotation or a long/middle man out of the pen, or even start the year in Scranton and see how he progresses. As long as we're not giving him even a fraction of what Kei Igawa got.

....just an idea though, hopefully it's not necessary and there's something to these trade talks.

[Lester82]

josh johnson, roy oswalt?

[BSN07]

Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that the Yankees are working to re-acquire Javier Vazquez. The Braves have "always liked" Melky Cabrera and Nick Swisher, Sherman says.

[rhet]

5th starter. 5th!

5th starters who can throw 200 innings are rare. If they get one, they are looking at a repeat.

[rhet]

It's Vasquez.

 

Ouch.

[riverside sluggers]

CC Sabathia

Javier Vazquez

AJ Burnett

Andy Pettitte

Joba Chamberlain/Phillip Hughes

 

The only way now the Sox can hope of contending for the division is if they acquire a big bat. If not, its Wild Card or bust