New York Yankees 2010 offseason thread

[riverside sluggers]

 

Mark DeRosa's agent has said initial talks have started with Yankees

[jacksonianmarch]

It is interesting seeing DeRosa's name come up especially since the Granderson rumors are gaining steam. DeRosa is a guy who could start at 3b for a bunch of teams, but in all likelihood, is more of a platoon guy on a championship squad. His wrist injury will likely limit his suitors as will his age (he'll be 35 prior to ST). But here are a few things to keep in mind...

 

NY seems to have a hard on for Granderson, a player that the Tigers seem to be trying to give away. In Yankee Stadium, Granderson could have a field day. But Granderson is abysmal against lefties. Now, if Granderson is in center, you could always platoon him with Melky, but how will you improve that dropoff in production when lefties are on the hill? Enter DeRosa, who has a .900+OPS vs lefties last yr and hit 10 of his 23 homers vs them. Plus, DeRosa could actually start 100+ games anyway since he could give Cano a breather at times and could probably be pencilled in to the 3b role once a week while ARod DH's. I like the idea, if the cost is minimal.

[Gom]

I don't think Derosa will be a minimal cost acquisition. However, I do like your thinking on the matter.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, minimal is in the eyes of the beholder. I wouldnt go any further than 2yrs at $6 mil per

[26 to 6]

I think DeRosa would be an IDEAL addition to the Yanks. With his versatility he can play pretty much anywhere and would allow many of the regulars to DH more frequently. Although he wouldn't be a starter per se I still see him getting around 400-450 ABs in a Yankee uniform.

 

Link on the Bruney trade?

 

Edit: Nevermind http://www.lohud.com/article/20091207/SPORTS01/912070364/Report--Yankees-send-Bruney-to-Nationals

[Gom]

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/yankeesblog/yankees_trading_bruney_to_nationals_DyUupL7BS64hc2mt9fHdRJ

[26 to 6]

The Chicago Tribune has the Yankees close to landing both Granderson AND Edwin Jackson from the Tigers. Not sure how I feel about this, or how accurate these rumors are.

[26 to 6]

Nothing new, but the Star-Ledger is reporting that Cashman will sit down and meet with DeRosa's agent sometime this week as well. That's a move that I hope gets done.

[Gom]

DeRosa wants 9 million per.

 

I'll pass

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/asking-prices-for-beltre-derosa.html

[26 to 6]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/12/07/angels.mariners/1.html#ixzz0Z4UM2gRU

 

Heyman reports the Yanks are preparing a 2 year/$20m offer for Damon.

 

Why?

[yankees228]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/12/07/angels.mariners/1.html#ixzz0Z4UM2gRU

 

Heyman reports the Yanks are preparing a 2 year/$20m offer for Damon.

 

Why?

 

Too much money?

[26 to 6]

I mean I suppose it's reasonable, but I don't like the idea of giving him 2 years. 1 year and an option, whether it be club or vesting would be another thing. But I really hate guaranteeing him 2 years, especially at $10m per.

[yankees228]

I mean I suppose it's reasonable' date=' but I don't like the idea of giving him 2 years. 1 year and an option, whether it be club or vesting would be another thing. But I really hate guaranteeing him 2 years, especially at $10m per.[/quote']

 

Well, it might be possible to retain him for only one year, but it would probably take a significantly higher AAV. Clearly, judging by the fact that they did not offer him arbitration, they aren't willing to do that.

 

While it would be nice if the AAV was only 8-9 million, I don't think that's a reasonable expectation. Remember, for the last four years, his AAV was 13 million. I don't think it's realistic to expect any more of a pay cut than 3 million, and even that might be pushing it. If you want Damon back, this is what's is going to take, and, in my opinion, outside of getting Holliday or Bay, this beats the alternatives.

[26 to 6]

Yeah your probably right. I just don't think he'll be worth $10m in 2011. Could be worse though...

[yankees228]

Yeah, I think it definitely could be worse, and I think one way it could be worse is acquiring Granderson (where the casualty is Austin Jackson).

 

As for what he's worth, that's clearly up for debate.

 

However, here's what we do know. According to fangraphs his 2008 WAR was 3.6 and his 2009 WAR was 3. In terms of salary, it translates to...

 

2008: 16.4 million

2009: 13.6 million

 

Obviously some people don't trust fangraphs when it comes to their salary figures, but, to me, while it's not perfect, their explanation and logic behind the numbers is certainly passable.

 

Now, it remains to be seen whether he can continue to perform at the same level, or somewhere close.

[26 to 6]

Yeah, I think it definitely could be worse, and I think one way it could be worse is acquiring Granderson (where the casualty is Austin Jackson).

Absolutely.

[riverside sluggers]

 

Just have to laugh at this. The Royals in their search for a starting catcher, are checking in on Jose Molina

[jacksonianmarch]

So, to recap.

 

NY saves about $1.5 million by moving Bruney and spends $5.5 mil in 2010 on Granderson (albeit the AAV is around $8 million since he makes $10.5 million in 2011). Thats an increase of $4 million for 2010. Here's the lineup up to date

 

1. Jeter SS

2. Granderson CF

3. Teixeira 1B

4. Rodriguez 3B

5. Posada C

6. Cano 2B

7. Swisher RF

8. Cabrera LF

9. Miranda DH

 

the lineup is looking better, especially when you consider the likelihood that Montero is in the DH role come mid-season

[Gom]

The Yankees will not go with Miranda as DH. I am convinced that Matsui will be back. You put Posada behind Arod, and he may break the record for intentional walks for the AL.

[jacksonianmarch]

What is it with you and your hate for Posada

 

His line from 2009...

 

.285 22HR 81RBI, .363OBP, .522SLG for an OPS of .885 which was third best on the yankees behind Tex and ARod. He belongs in that role

[Gom]

What is it with you and your hate for Posada

 

His line from 2009...

 

.285 22HR 81RBI, .363OBP, .522SLG for an OPS of .885 which was third best on the yankees behind Tex and ARod. He belongs in that role

 

He is due for a massive regression offensively. I do hate him, though. I'm also highly pissed it looks like the Yankees won't bring back Molina. Maybe it's not my most objective opinion. The happiest day of my Yankee tenure [not counting championships] will be the day after the last out of the 2011 World Series. Then Posada and his albatross contract is gone, and hopefully, so is he.

 

On another note...

 

The Cubs seem close to dealing Bradley. You know what? I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Yankees. A Melky for Bradley deal, with the Cubs eating the most [if not all] of his money, makes sense on both sides, if you ask me.

[yankees228]

The Yankees will not go with Miranda as DH. I am convinced that Matsui will be back. You put Posada behind Arod' date=' and he may break the record for intentional walks for the AL.[/quote']

 

I'm actually very confident they'll retain Damon, and let Matsui walk. We'll see.

[yankees228]

So, to recap.

 

NY saves about $1.5 million by moving Bruney and spends $5.5 mil in 2010 on Granderson (albeit the AAV is around $8 million since he makes $10.5 million in 2011). Thats an increase of $4 million for 2010. Here's the lineup up to date

 

1. Jeter SS

2. Granderson CF

3. Teixeira 1B

4. Rodriguez 3B

5. Posada C

6. Cano 2B

7. Swisher RF

8. Cabrera LF

9. Miranda DH

 

the lineup is looking better, especially when you consider the likelihood that Montero is in the DH role come mid-season

 

If they don't bring back Matsui, I think they'll go with a rotating DH, at least before Montero is ready.

[bsox0407]

If they don't bring back Matsui' date=' I think they'll go with a rotating DH, at least before Montero is ready.[/quote']

 

If they bring back only damon. Then they could possibly go with Damon as a Full-time DH.

[yankees228]

If they bring back only damon. Then they could possibly go with Damon as a Full-time DH.

 

They won't. If they bring back Damon, the basic lineup would be...

 

C Posada

1B Teixeira

2B Cano

SS Jeter

3B Rodriguez

RF Swisher

CF Granderson

LF Damon

 

The idea, which they've talked about publicly, is to have a rotating DH spot. That means that when all those guys are playing the field, they would have an unknown guy (a Hinske type) DHing, and he would share the time Posada, Rodriguez, and Damon (and maybe Jeter).

[bsox0407]

They won't. If they bring back Damon, the basic lineup would be...

 

C Posada

1B Teixeira

2B Cano

SS Jeter

3B Rodriguez

RF Swisher

CF Granderson

LF Damon

 

The idea, which they've talked about publicly, is to have a rotating DH spot. That means that when all those guys are playing the field, they would have an unknown guy (a Hinske type) DHing, and he would share the time Posada, Rodriguez, and Damon (and maybe Jeter).

 

I figure they lighten the load on Posada and when he is not catching he is the DH.

[riverside sluggers]

 

He got a pay raise alright. 1 year deal/$12 million. Yankees didnt need to go that high, considering they were only team he was going to sign with

[bsox0407]

 

He got a pay raise alright. 1 year deal/$12 million. Yankees didnt need to go that high, considering they were only team he was going to sign with

 

I think overpaying a couple million on a pitcher like him is well worth it.

[yankees228]

 

He got a pay raise alright. 1 year deal/$12 million. Yankees didnt need to go that high, considering they were only team he was going to sign with

 

He's coming off an excellent second half, and a solid postseason. While he doesn't deserve quite that much money, it's just the Yankees' attempt to appease him, and not make him feel like they're lowballing him.

 

For what it's worth, his 2009 WAR was 3.3, and, according to fangraphs, he was valued at 15 million dollars (and that doesn't include his postseason contributions).

 

I also feel like a guy like Pettitte, if he felt he was being lowballed, would just call it a career.

[yankees228]

It seems like the Yankees entered the winter meetings with a specific agenda, and they're following through on it. They went into Monday ready to make a run at Curtis Granderson, and they finished that off. Now today, it appears they've finalized (or come close to) an agreement with Andy Pettitte.

 

What could get done early, they took care of. Now, they'll probably have to wait a bit longer to finish their outfield, and it's unknown what they plan to do regarding starting pitcher.

 

I'd say they're off to a good, efficient start, thus far.