Rondo and Celtics agree to deal

[TheKilo]

not build around but great assist man. give him a shooter around him let alone three on the celtics and he is a good player.

 

You shouldn't drop $11 million AAV on a guy who needs others to make him look his best.

[bsox0407]

You shouldn't drop $11 million AAV on a guy who needs others to make him look his best.

 

his ball handling is the best PG we have had in a while on this team. we need him at any cost.

[YanksHater213]

I don't know. I think this is OK in the short term but has the potential to hurt in the long term.

 

Still not convinced Rondo is a guy you build around.

 

I agree with this, but IMO it's at the point where we needed to do something that would address life after KG, Paul, and Ray. Rondo may or may not be the "Chris Paul" type building block, but the kid is damn good, and one of the better 2 way players in the NBA. I think $11 million is a fair price.

 

It's also easy to say Rondo's being helped along, but also you need to figure he's had some sort of ceiling, especially in regards to the numbers and can put up. I think you take Ray, Paul, and KG away he can be a 18/5/11 guy in his prime, maybe better.

[TheKilo]

his ball handling is the best PG we have had in a while on this team. we need him at any cost.

 

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. In no way shape or form is Rondo a max player.

[bsox0407]

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. In no way shape or form is Rondo a max player.

 

in the past years who has been a better PG for us.

[TheKilo]

That's not the point, stop changing arguments.

[bsox0407]

That's not the point' date=' stop changing arguments.[/quote']

 

that is exactly the point. that is what i said.

 

his ball handling is the best PG we have had in a while on this team. we need him at any cost.

[TheKilo]

Your original point was we need him at any cost. I said he wasn't a max player. You said what Celtic PG is better.

 

You can't see how you changed your argument? Just because Rondo is the best PG the Celtics have had in a while does not mean they have to commit this much money to him.

 

Do I need to slow it down even further?

[TheMino007]

Is this the same guy that was rumored all offseason in trade discussions? The same guy Ainge said has work ethic and attitude issues? Personally, I'm not opposed to the signing, I have always wondered what the hell goes through Ainge's head and thought process when he makes decisions. I weary of giving Rondo that money b/c lets face it, he is surronded by three Hall of famers, and the guy still struggles with his mid range jumper. But I like the deal, looking at the positives, he has improved his jump shot and just look what he did last year in the playoffs. I'll take the gamble and lock him up for possibly cheap money down the road.

[suns]

I like this signing. Former UK guy. Getting some money.

[bsox0407]

Your original point was we need him at any cost. I said he wasn't a max player. You said what Celtic PG is better.

 

You can't see how you changed your argument? Just because Rondo is the best PG the Celtics have had in a while does not mean they have to commit this much money to him.

 

Do I need to slow it down even further?

 

i think you are the one who needs further explanation in the reasoning. Do you really want Gabe Pruitt Or Eddie House running our offense. I never said that he is a max player. stop making s*** up and putting words in my mouth. i don't need your help to prove my point. What i said was that we do need him at any cost because he runs our team. without him at all i think the Celtics are no where near as good a team. Rajon Rondo is the Best PG the CELTICS HAVE. Not the best in the NBA. his ability to pass the ball around with the precision that he has is a necessity to this team. he mid range game has improved over last year. His game is getting better. I think that Rondo is like Jason Kidd without the wife beating. if you agree with that then why in the world do you have an argument in the first place Kidd- last year 21.4 million dollars. i think Rondo the young player who has been in the league a few years and is a good player. should make atleast half that with Rondo's skill-set. Not only the defense he brings to the Table. His offense will be there as the time comes but right now his job is not to score but to feed the other players on the court. Don't Forget to mention that he is a really good rebounder for a guy who in NBA terms "short." He is always around the ball and keeps the upbeat pace of the Celtics. If we let him go even with the Big three this team does not do as well.

 

I was reiterating my point by saying who would you rather at the PG position thats on the team. Was Gary Payton our last best player. a player whose career was ending that year. Who is before that.

[Dojji]

I don't know. I think this is OK in the short term but has the potential to hurt in the long term.

 

Still not convinced Rondo is a guy you build around.

 

He's like a good tight end or a quality relief pitcher. He's not the guy who can be a franchise centerpiece, but having him around will make the guy who IS the centerpiece look a lot better.

[bsox0407]

He's like a good tight end or a quality relief pitcher. He's not the guy who can be a franchise centerpiece' date=' but having him around will make the guy who IS the centerpiece look a lot better.[/quote']

 

i wish i could have said that in that way. He is a Ben Watson or Daniel Bard to me at least. that is what i have said. to bad i had to go on a complete ramble post above to prove the same point you did in merely 2 sentences.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Dojji]

Although really, Rondo's a lot more useful to the Celtics than a Ben Watson type. He's one of the starting 5 after all, and deserves to be there.

 

I'd say he's a better analogue to Wes Welker or Jonathan Papelbon really, especially since he's won something..

[Keeper]

I like Rondo's ability to elevate his game in the playoffs. If he can ever develop a mid-range jumper, look out. On a team of aging veterans who are at the twilight of their careers, locking up someone like Rondo is a good thing any way you slice it.

[TheMino007]

Ray Allen is in the twilight of his career. Paul Pierce has been playing the best basketball of his career over the past couple of seasons. KG isn't done by any stretch of the imagination. With a continuously developing Rondo, who improves every year, I think this team has a shot next year even if Ray Allen leaves (if we get a suitable SG). Can Rondo be the number player on a team? Not right now. But we are paying him to be in the future when the big three are gone on really shells of their former selves.

[yeszir]

Ray Allen is in the twilight of his career. Paul Pierce has been playing the best basketball of his career over the past couple of seasons. KG isn't done by any stretch of the imagination. With a continuously developing Rondo' date=' who improves every year, I think this team has a shot next year even if Ray Allen leaves (if we get a suitable SG). Can Rondo be the number player on a team? Not right now. But we are paying him to be in the future when the big three are gone on really shells of their former selves.[/quote']

 

Dan Duquette much?

[bsox0407]

Dan Duquette much?

 

yeah ray allen is not in the twilight of his career. he is still a great SG and can still shot really well. plus he free throw shot ability is near perfect.

[YanksHater213]

Ray definitely is in the twilight of his career.

 

BUT

 

That makes him sound like a bum, and he's not, it's just a testament to how special he was in his prime and how good shape he's in right now that lets him continue to play high level ball.

[bsox0407]

Ray definitely is in the twilight of his career.

 

BUT

 

That makes him sound like a bum, and he's not, it's just a testament to how special he was in his prime and how good shape he's in right now that lets him continue to play high level ball.

 

twilight is a joke. he shots the same FG percentage but scores less points. that is because he came from a team where he was the center piece.

he had the best FT % in his career last year. he had one of his top 3 point percentages last season. how can you say he is the twilight of his career.

 

 

He is not in the twilight of his career.

You could still build a team around him.

[YanksHater213]

You most certainly could not build a team around Ray Allen at this point in his career. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. He could be a 2nd option on a good team, a 3rd on a great team. The reason he still looks so good is because he doesn't have to carry the load like he was in Seattle and Milwaukee and he doesn't need to press to find his offense here.

[bsox0407]

You most certainly could not build a team around Ray Allen at this point in his career. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. He could be a 2nd option on a good team' date=' a 3rd on a great team. The reason he still looks so good is because he doesn't have to carry the load like he was in Seattle and Milwaukee and he doesn't need to press to find his offense here.[/quote']

 

okay whatever you say even though you are dead wrong. i would build a team around allen. he is like rondo because he can pass really but he can shoot really well. if you say he is in the twilight of his career then he is Dan Duquette.

[yeszir]

okay whatever you say even though you are dead wrong.

 

Hahahaha ok, Dipre must be right. You have to be a joke account.

[bsox0407]

Hahahaha ok' date=' Dipre must be right. You have to be a joke account. [/quote']

 

what did i miss something?

[Dipre]

Hahahaha ok' date=' Dipre must be right. You have to be a joke account. [/quote']

 

75% positive and rising.

[Dipre]

what did i miss something?

 

Ray Allen is not in the twilight of his career?

 

I'm going to give you a chance to actually explain what "twilight" is, per your definition.

[YanksHater213]

Personally, I'm done wasting my time with this fool. People shouldn't be responding to his posts.

[Dipre]

Personally' date=' I'm done wasting my time with this fool. People shouldn't be responding to his posts.[/quote']

 

Hey.

 

He's a nice guy.

 

Maybe he's just got a different definition of the word. Let's read what he has to say.

[bsox0407]

Ray Allen is not in the twilight of his career?

 

I'm going to give you a chance to actually explain what "twilight" is, per your definition.

 

when a player starts to deteriorate in his play. When his shooting percentage falls horribly and he cant play worth s***. when a player looks lost on the floor. LiKE SHAQ. lol

[yeszir]

I don't think Ray Allen is done, but any GM that would build a team around him is a moron.

 

bsox, what do you think of the Twilight books? Vampires and stuff.