Rondo and Celtics agree to deal

[Emmz]

I don't understand that two players who change teams to the same team and both had their PPGs drop by a few points are not both in the Twilight of their careers?

 

Why do you keep capitalizing twilight? Are you referencing the book?

[bsox0407]

How not?

 

prove the different situations to me. the way you are presenting to me at least and the way i am understanding is unclear. i don't see the difference that two players change teams and go to the same team, when they are the same age and their PPG both go down similarly but one is in twilight but one isn't. How is that.

[bsox0407]

Why do you keep capitalizing twilight? Are you referencing the book?

 

no i have never read the book. i just did instead of using quotations.

[TheKilo]

So Pruitt is gone. does it really matter who do you want to be our PG? Pruitt was third string if not farther back. i didn't realize he was gone. I guess because i made a mistake' date=' I am not a Fan. [/b'] IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE YOU CAN'T BE A BIG FAN OF ANY TEAM.

 

When proven wrong, get indignant.

 

You take my words way out of context. I wouldn't sign him for 25 million but i would definitely pay 15 for him.

 

Chris Paul signed a contract worth 4/68. Chris Paul is a max contract player. Are you telling me you'd pay Rondo Chris Paul money?

 

If so, the argument's pretty much done.

 

So 5 percent off of you regular season of eFG is horrible. Kevin Garnett has a playoff ePG .475 and a regular season ePG of .501. So lets never sign Garnett for more than 11 million.

 

You do know what eFG% is right? How it accounts for the difference in worth of a three pointer vs a two pointer? And how guard who get paid $11 million should typically be able to shoot the outside shot?

 

what i was saying because his is compared to Kidd that Kidd was getting 21 million.

Or How about Gary Payton who was making 13 and was compared to Rondo.

 

There's not point in talking about them because they have no impact on the Celtics now or going forward. Why waste the time discussing them?

 

I was Saying who would you rather have for a PG for a reasonable price of 11 million or less? It was not about who is better it was who would rather have for that price who is so much better.

 

You can draft a point guard.

 

Why not bring in a guy like Raymond Felton with the MLE and try to sign one of the bigger name free agents in the 2010 offseason?

[Spudboy]

Just want to say ESPN is broadcasting "Without Bias" right now.

[Emmz]

Shut your mouth, and know your role!

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Just want to say ESPN is broadcasting "Without Bias" right now.

Hope Jacko's tuning in.

[bsox0407]

Chris Paul signed a contract worth 4/68. Chris Paul is a max contract player. Are you telling me you'd pay Rondo Chris Paul money?

 

Again put words into my mouth. 17 a year is a tad high for a player of Rondo's caliber. Not saying that he is not great but the fact the he has the ability to become a really good player is high.

 

 

 

 

You do know what eFG% is right? How it accounts for the difference in worth of a three pointer vs a two pointer? And how guard who get paid $11 million should typically be able to shoot the outside shot?

 

Okay how about PP who has about the same as KG. Regular season-.493 Playoffs .470

I do know what it is. Plus Rondo does not shoot the three that much.

 

 

 

You can draft a point guard.

 

Why not bring in a guy like Raymond Felton with the MLE and try to sign one of the bigger name free agents in the 2010 offseason?

 

Draft a PG when we hope to be the last draft pick in the League.

[Emmz]

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[bsox0407]

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so who did you steal this one from. j/k:lol:

[schillingouttheks]

Again put words into my mouth. 17 a year is a tad high for a player of Rondo's caliber. Not saying that he is not great but the fact the he has the ability to become a really good player is high.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay how about PP who has about the same as KG. Regular season-.493 Playoffs .470

I do know what it is. Plus Rondo does not shoot the three that much.

 

 

 

 

 

Draft a PG when we hope to be the last draft pick in the League.

 

I can't believe that each point is still going right over your head. Unbelievable. I can't even explain why you don't understand these points because YOU WON'T GET IT.

 

If you say you'll give Rondo $15M/yr (WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID), and Paul makes $17M/yr, aren't those two salaries pretty similar? Rondo is not even close to the type of player Chris Paul is. So WHY would you give him even CLOSE to Chris Paul money when that money can be used more economically for a BETTER INVESTMENT?

 

GOD.

[bsox0407]

I can't believe that each point is still going right over your head. Unbelievable. I can't even explain why you don't understand these points because YOU WON'T GET IT.

 

If you say you'll give Rondo $15M/yr (WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID), and Paul makes $17M/yr, aren't those two salaries pretty similar? Rondo is not even close to the type of player Chris Paul is. So WHY would you give him even CLOSE to Chris Paul money when that money can be used more economically for a BETTER INVESTMENT?

 

GOD.

I would give Rondo 15M/yr. He will be a even better player in the next few years. Good thing that we got him for 11 million. His jump shot has gotten better. without him this team sinks IMO.

[schillingouttheks]

I would give Rondo 15M/yr. He will be a even better player in the next few years. Good thing that we got him for 11 million. His jump shot has gotten better. without him this team sinks IMO.

 

Okay, so you think Rondo can be just as good as Chris Paul? Because you don't give a player $15M/yr if you don't think he has the potential to be as good as Chris Paul.

 

If you really decide to stand by what you say, I have no more to say to you.

[Dipre]

http://www.gametab.com/images/ss/ps2/2480/box-l.jpg

 

This.Is.Hilarious.

[bsox0407]

Okay, so you think Rondo can be just as good as Chris Paul? Because you don't give a player $15M/yr if you don't think he has the potential to be as good as Chris Paul.

 

If you really decide to stand by what you say, I have no more to say to you.

 

i think that Paul is under paid as it is in the first place. i think he better than Jason Kidd who got paid 21.5 million. i think that paul should be up near the 21 mark.

[schillingouttheks]

i think that Paul is under paid as it is in the first place. i think he better than Jason Kidd who got paid 21.5 million. i think that paul should be up near the 21 mark.

 

Jason Kidd doesn't deserve 21.5 million. That doesn't mean that Chris Paul should be paid 21 million. That's how markets start getting f***ed up and mediocre players start getting paid $11M/yr.

 

I am very happy you are not this team's GM, because the investments you'd be making would bring us right back to the pre-Big 3 era.

[bsox0407]

Jason Kidd doesn't deserve 21.5 million. That doesn't mean that Chris Paul should be paid 21 million. That's how markets start getting f***ed up and mediocre players start getting paid $11M/yr.

 

I am very happy you are not this team's GM, because the investments you'd be making would bring us right back to the pre-Big 3 era.

 

of course because i would have signed Rondo for 11M/yr every day of the week. i think he could have gotten 15 and i would have given it to him but would have needed to get more years. I think that Rondo is far from mediocre. he is a player that will help this team win for years to come. he can pass the ball with precision and the ability to rebound the way he does. he can be a very good player. he has improved a lot since last season. with more experience he will get better. its not like once a player makes the NBA he can only get worse.

[yankees228]

Hope Jacko's tuning in.

 

Haha, at first I was thinking, "What in the world does Jacko have to do with Len Bias...?".

[schillingouttheks]

of course because i would have signed Rondo for 11M/yr every day of the week. i think he could have gotten 15 and i would have given it to him but would have needed to get more years. I think that Rondo is far from mediocre. he is a player that will help this team win for years to come. he can pass the ball with precision and the ability to rebound the way he does. he can be a very good player. he has improved a lot since last season. with more experience he will get better. its not like once a player makes the NBA he can only get worse.

 

That's not what I was saying. I would give him $11M/yr as well. If you were running this team, Rondo would have just agreed to a $15M/yr contract, and that's a large difference. You didn't say you wanted more years to begin with, you said you would have given him nearly anything to keep him here. Stop back-tracking and trying to wiggle out of the position. I never called Rondo mediocre. But if we were to change the market so that we give Chris Paul $21M/yr like you would give him, Rondo would be making around $17M/yr, and mediocre players would be making $11M/yr. Do you see why you need to set a value to certain players and not freely spend whatever you're willing to and ignore the consequences of it? Rondo would never get $15M/yr.

[TheKilo]

of course because i would have signed Rondo for 11M/yr every day of the week. i think he could have gotten 15 and i would have given it to him but would have needed to get more years. I think that Rondo is far from mediocre. he is a player that will help this team win for years to come. he can pass the ball with precision and the ability to rebound the way he does. he can be a very good player. he has improved a lot since last season. with more experience he will get better. its not like once a player makes the NBA he can only get worse.

 

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID THOUGH

 

JFC

 

WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO GRASP

[Spudboy]

I find it difficult to believe that this stupid discussion is still going on.

[YanksHater213]

And that's why I quit quite a few pages ago.

[bsox0407]

That's not what I was saying. I would give him $11M/yr as well. If you were running this team' date=' Rondo would have just agreed to a $15M/yr contract, and that's a large difference. You didn't say you wanted more years to begin with, you said you would have given him nearly anything to keep him here. Stop back-tracking and trying to wiggle out of the position. I never called Rondo mediocre. But if we were to change the market so that we give Chris Paul $21M/yr like you would give him, Rondo would be making around $17M/yr, and mediocre players would be making $11M/yr. Do you see why you need to set a value to certain players and not freely spend whatever you're willing to and ignore the consequences of it? Rondo would never get $15M/yr.[/quote']

 

the way you said it made it sound like you called Rondo mediocre. but the reason i say 15 is because the fact the market can and will change. getting him at 11 is a great deal. If i was running the team of course you would go for the cheapest to have him stay as possible. i am not back-tracking. the reason i would sign him for the 15million also shows him that we are easier to agree on and maybe next time when it comes up that hey he'll think maybe ill go talk to him and say ill give them a chance. because by the time he gets to his next contract the big three might have moved on or in their twilight for sure. it may seem like giving him a bigger contract and not fighting him tooth and nail will help us down the line. IMO.

[bsox0407]

THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID THOUGH

 

JFC

 

WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT TO GRASP

 

YOU TOOK WHAT I f***ING SAID AND TOOK IT WAY OUT OF f***ING CONTEXT. YOU SHOULD BE A f***ING POLITICIAN WITH THE WAY YOU CAN TWIST WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

 

it is not difficult to grasp. IT IS A f***ING OPINION! not f***ing Cold Hard Facts. ITS AN OPINION.

[Dipre]

And that's why I quit quite a few pages ago.

 

Smart,smart man.

[Dojji]

What the guy's saying isn't that difficult to understand guys, and he's got a point.

 

The discussion kicked off with someone saying Rondo's a bit overpaid with his extension. B0407 disagreed. His skillset is a little easy to underestimate since he's a distributor rather than a shooter.

 

The $15M he keeps mentioning is clearly the value he sets on the player. Much like Theo sets a value on guys he's going after. That value is a MAXIMUM, not a MINIMUM. Like it is for, you know, every other GM and armchair GM who's expressed such a point in the history of ever.

 

ALL OF YOU have expressed similar monetary values for at least one player in the sports spectrum in the past.

 

NONE OF YOU wouldn't leap at the chance to bring in a player for LESS than your stated value.

 

His clear and obvious point, which you bucketheads keep walking right past in your eagerness to paste the guy, is that he feels Rondo's value is higher than his AAAV even after the contract. And the kicker? MOST OF YOU AGREE WITH HIM!

 

So can we please shut this idiot circus down and talk about something else?

[Dipre]

What the guy's saying isn't that difficult to understand guys, and he's got a point.

 

The discussion kicked off with someone saying Rondo's a bit overpaid with his extension. B0407 disagreed. His skillset is a little easy to underestimate since he's a distributor rather than a shooter.

 

The $15M he keeps mentioning is clearly the value he sets on the player. Much like Theo sets a value on guys he's going after. That value is a MAXIMUM, not a MINIMUM. Like it is for, you know, every other GM and armchair GM who's expressed such a point in the history of ever.

 

ALL OF YOU have expressed similar monetary values for at least one player in the sports spectrum in the past.

 

NONE OF YOU wouldn't leap at the chance to bring in a player for LESS than your stated value.

 

His clear and obvious point, which you bucketheads keep walking right past in your eagerness to paste the guy, is that he feels Rondo's value is higher than his AAAV even after the contract. And the kicker? MOST OF YOU AGREE WITH HIM!

 

So can we please shut this idiot circus down and talk about something else?

 

Hahahahaha.

 

You're hilarious, dude.

[Dojji]

Which has pretty much been the tenor of the knuckleheads in this thread throughout this idiotic discussion. Name-call, word-twist, give bosox all the hell you can for as little reason as possible, and then not take any accountability at all for it simply because you outnumber the guy and he doesn't articulate his points well.

 

Real cute, guys. way to be classy.

[Emmz]

Maybe because he didn't explain his position clearly enough in the first place, and is now backtracking to make his position seem to make more sense. If he would have explained it better in the first place, then maybe it wouldn't be this way. Wait, posting nonsense, and taking things miles away from where they need to be... Who does that sound like?

[Dipre]

Maybe because he didn't explain his position clearly enough in the first place' date=' and is now backtracking to make his position seem to make more sense. If he would have explained it better in the first place, then maybe it wouldn't be this way. Wait, posting nonsense, and taking things miles away from where they need to be... Who does that sound like?[/quote']

 

Damn.

 

The truth, right here, folks.