Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[riverside sluggers]

 

Soriano has accepted arbitration, it could top $7 million

[example1]

Oh ok.

 

I thought maybe you had read something somewhere. That's fair enough though.

 

Awhile back I posted a link to an article talking about Felix and his agent being upset with the previous GM for not offering to make a longer term deal when Felix was very young. Again, there is just a sense here that Felix isn't necessarily a lock to stay in Seattle. Despite his immense talent they haven't treated him like a star in Seattle. They paid him mlb minimum for 3 straight years (with a $710k signing bonus) before signing a 1-year $3.8m deal in 2009.

 

This isn't a case of a guy who is afraid he's not going to make money or that injury will ruin his shot at having any future. He's been through that period already, for 3 years... with the Mariners.

 

Compare that treatment with Joe Mauer or Evan Longoria and you'll see a pretty big difference. It's subtle but significant, IMO.

 

Honestly, part of me hopes he stays with Seattle. I like watching him pitch for the Mariners and I think he's good for them. I agree with everyone who talks about the no-brainer involved in resigning him if I'm Seattle, but in two seasons he can pick the team he plays for and make nearly $20m/yr (if not more) for years to come. If he signs now he only gets one of those things.

[26 to 6]

I'd take a shot at Jackson. He's got a live arm...

 

He'd be perfect for the Mets to slot in behind Johan.

Agreed, he would be a great pickup for the Mets.

 

Perhaps they should look into Granderson too if they can't get a power bat for the OF. He could probably patrol that spacious outfield well with his speed and maybe even do well offensively with the huge gaps and alleys.

[Dipre]

Awhile back I posted a link to an article talking about Felix and his agent being upset with the previous GM for not offering to make a longer term deal when Felix was very young. Again, there is just a sense here that Felix isn't necessarily a lock to stay in Seattle. Despite his immense talent they haven't treated him like a star in Seattle. They paid him mlb minimum for 3 straight years (with a $710k signing bonus) before signing a 1-year $3.8m deal in 2009.

 

This isn't a case of a guy who is afraid he's not going to make money or that injury will ruin his shot at having any future. He's been through that period already, for 3 years... with the Mariners.

 

Compare that treatment with Joe Mauer or Evan Longoria and you'll see a pretty big difference. It's subtle but significant, IMO.

 

Honestly, part of me hopes he stays with Seattle. I like watching him pitch for the Mariners and I think he's good for them. I agree with everyone who talks about the no-brainer involved in resigning him if I'm Seattle, but in two seasons he can pick the team he plays for and make nearly $20m/yr (if not more) for years to come. If he signs now he only gets one of those things.

 

The part of you that hopes he stays with Seattle is right. The "Subtle difference" is no longer noticeable under the new regime. It's a no-brainer to keep him around, and it'll be done. The link you posted would be relevant if an honest effort to spark his interest wasn't being made. His price tag is not relevant either because Seattle has the money and he's worth it.

 

By the way, i find it extremely frustrating how you were all over me a couple weeks ago because i wouldn't look up a link posted a earlier yet you turn around and do the same thing now.

[redsoxrevenge]

Agreed, he would be a great pickup for the Mets.

 

Perhaps they should look into Granderson too if they can't get a power bat for the OF. He could probably patrol that spacious outfield well with his speed and maybe even do well offensively with the huge gaps and alleys.

 

Do the Mets have any players that would appeal to the Tigers for Granderson?

[BSN07]

Do the Mets have any players that would appeal to the Tigers for Granderson?

 

Fernando Martinez(OF) and Jon Niese(LHP) could be players the Tigers have interest in. Ike Davis(1B ) looks to be a solid prospect but give Detroit has Miggy at 1B I don't see them having much interest in him. The Mets system might just have enough to get Granderson.

[BSN07]

Mariners superstar Felix Hernandez will be seeking to become baseball's next $100 million man, SI.com has learned.

 

Hernandez, perhaps the most valuable property in the game, will be looking for about $100 million over six years in meetings with the Mariners here at the winter meetings, according to people familiar with their talks.

[riverside sluggers]

Just heard on weei, that buster olney reported that the Red Sox have no serious interest in Rich Harden. But they met with Justin Duscherer, who didnt pitch last year mostly because of clinical depression. Good fit to be put in the melting pot that is Boston, huh Theo

[redsoxrevenge]

Just heard on weei' date=' that buster olney reported that the Red Sox have no serious interest in Rich Harden. But they met with Justin Duscherer, who didnt pitch last year mostly because of clinical depression. Good fit to be put in the melting pot that is Boston, huh Theo[/quote']

 

Are you saying his depression would be worse, because he would live in a city with many different cultures?

[Dojji]

Clinical depression is only tangentially related to social situations, RSS. It's a medical problem. Boston's not the worst city for medical care either.

[riverside sluggers]

Clinical depression is only tangentially related to social situations' date=' RSS. It's a medical problem. Boston's not the worst city for medical care either.[/quote']

 

Um melting pot because Boston, New York, Philadelphia are the toughest cities to play in... Rabid fan bases, media, etc

[redsoxrevenge]

Um melting pot because Boston' date=' New York, Philadelphia are the toughest cities to play in... Rabid fan bases, media, etc[/quote']

 

Wrong term, but I get what you are trying to say.

[Gom]

Um melting pot because Boston' date=' New York, Philadelphia are the toughest cities to play in... Rabid fan bases, media, etc[/quote']

 

Depression has very little to do with external factors after onset, if at all.

 

Look at Greinke. Plays in KC, dealt with it, got cured, best pitcher on the planet.

 

I'd welcome Justin to the Yankees, not only do I think he'd do well, but it would bring more light to the cause.

[26 to 6]

Depression has very little to do with external factors after onset, if at all.

 

Look at Greinke. Plays in KC, dealt with it, got cured, best pitcher on the planet.

 

I'd welcome Justin to the Yankees, not only do I think he'd do well, but it would bring more light to the cause.

Absolutely, I like Duscherer a lot and commend his courage in going public with his depression issues rather than hide behind some phony injury like a lot of players suffering from mental health issues do. I would'nt be opposed to the Yankees signing him one bit. Unlikely that it happens though, imo.

[kreinbihl34]

There isn't? How come every time I go to the stadium' date=' I see the NL team has a DH? When did this rule change?[/quote']

 

...Really?

 

It's called interleague baseball. This is when an AL team faces off against a NL team. If the home team is a member of the AL, there is a DH, as set by AL rules. If the home team is a member of the NL, then the pitcher bats instead and there is no DH.

[ORS]

Let me get this straight, Mr. Game Watcher McWatchstein didn't know that the NL (1) didn't have the DH and (2) didn't play by AL rules in an AL park? Biggest credibility buster on record.

 

Watchezzzzzzzzz teh gammeezzzzzzz.

[26 to 6]

There isn't? How come every time I go to the stadium' date=' I see the NL team has a DH? When did this rule change?[/quote']

I'm really hoping (more like praying) you arent serious

[Gom]

Let me get this straight, Mr. Game Watcher McWatchstein didn't know that the NL (1) didn't have the DH and (2) didn't play by AL rules in an AL park? Biggest credibility buster on record.

 

Watchezzzzzzzzz teh gammeezzzzzzz.

I'm really hoping (more like praying) you arent serious

 

:harhar:

 

Leave it to ORS to actually believe it. What a tool. I wanted to keep it going for a while until I got a senior member of the board. I watch the games, ORS...and I understood it better at 14 than you do today. Moron.

[ORS]

It's very easy to believe the idiocy you are capable of, like, for instance, you are probably stupid enough to think people will believe this "I did it on purpose" nonsense.

[Gom]

It's very easy to believe the idiocy you are capable of' date=' like, for instance, you are probably stupid enough to think people will believe this "I did it on purpose" nonsense.[/quote']

 

Nice try. I used to think you had a brain...but all you ever had was google.

[ORS]

Burn, you got me there, I actually use reference material to verify my opinions before putting credence in them. I'd be much better off with post-lobotomy brain and an ego big enough to never doubt its ability. Seems to work so well with the nonsense you churn out. Where do I sign up for up a procedure to gain this mental capacity, and if I pay now, does the drool cup get thrown in for free?

[Gom]

Burn' date=' you got me there, I actually use reference material to verify my opinions before putting credence in them. I'd be much better off with post-lobotomy brain and an ego big enough to never doubt its ability. Seems to work so well with the nonsense you churn out. Where do I sign up for up a procedure to gain this mental capacity, and if I pay now, does the drool cup get thrown in for free?[/quote']

 

You were born with it. Have you ever had an original thought?

[CoachC.]

From Ed Price's Twitter:

 

#RedSox have told people if they don't get Jason Bay they will not spend on Matt Holliday. And word is #Mariners pushing on Bay

[TheMino007]

I've heard on/off that the Mariners are pursuing Bay. I think it makes perfect sense that he ends up there. And jeez, that is great Theo and FO, lets have Hermida start in LF next year. Is Marco Scutaro gonna really be our biggest pickup of the offseaon? If so... oh man.

[ORS]

You were born with it. Have you ever had an original thought?

Like your Vernon Wells idea? Look, we've seen this movie before, Gom. Push comes to shove and you "watchezzz teh gameezzzz" while everyone else is sheep who can't think for themselves. You are a broken record, and the two cornerstones of your argument are bunk. Watching the games is valuable, but for the purposes of discussing entire leagues worth of players, the observations need to come from a trained eye, ie a scout, and someone who watches more than 1/3 of a season's worth of games. The observations of a functional retard chugging beers in the RF bleachers is worth its weight in guano. And you've been caught marking time on your dick several times on the "believe everything you read" front. Quit hauling out this trite nonsense.

[Gom]

I don't drink. I never said that 4 or 5 games of watching a player [opposing teams] a year is all that conclusive, especially when it comes to pitching and hitting. However, when it comes to fielding, and considering how fielding metrics are much less advanced than hitting or pitching, and how inaccurate they've been as far as I've seen, of course I would.

 

It's better than not thinking for yourself and accepting everything without question or reservation.

 

Exactly when have I been caught believing everything I read? When you have seen me defend a statistic so vehemently that it is questionable?

 

EDIT: I don't drink means I have on average a beer or two a month. Been that way for close to 1o years.

[Emmz]

Like your Vernon Wells idea? Look' date=' we've seen this movie before, Gom. Push comes to shove and you "watchezzz teh gameezzzz" while everyone else is sheep who can't think for themselves. You are a broken record, and the two cornerstones of your argument are bunk. Watching the games is valuable, but for the purposes of discussing entire leagues worth of players, the observations need to come from a trained eye, ie a scout, and someone who watches more than 1/3 of a season's worth of games. [b']The observations of a functional retard chugging beers in the RF bleachers is worth its weight in guano.[/b] And you've been caught marking time on your dick several times on the "believe everything you read" front. Quit hauling out this trite nonsense.

 

ROFL

[ORS]

Gom, the idea that people who find value in a statistic are guilty of believing everything they read is ignorant and a blatant, self-serving strawman. If you'd ever get over your intellectual laziness and read the explanations given by the people who create these new stats and their acknowledgments of where they are weak, you might be able to find value in them too. For instance, most of these guys who have created defensive stats will tell the reader that even a full season's worth of data is usually not enough to give an accurate depiction of the player's talent, which is why you see so much variation from year to year. Does that make it invalid? No, it just means that when you are looking at one season's worth of information, you need to temper your expectations. It's very likely that defensive performance is prone to large variation and that a single season will never provide enough data for a clear view, which would make the stat acceptable provided the user kept the limitations in mind.

 

Gom, you aren't guilty of an instance where you believed "everything" you've read. Nobody is. If people believed everything they've read, they'd truly believe in nothing because there's something out there on both sides of every issue. However, you are guilty of deriding some for believing "something" they've read (stats), yet you are also guilty of believing "something" else, such as a transaction rumor or an editorial piece. This is hypocrisy. If you are going to soapbox against using information from outside sources, then you need to stand on an island and use only the information inside your own head. I suggest you refrain from this, because the library seems empty.

[Emmz]

Absolute pwnage.

[yankees228]

Gom, you cannot assume that people who put stock in statistics like UZR/150 are just guilty of believing everything they read. It is very possible that they read the explanations give (as ORS alluded to), and they simply agree with the logic behind the statistic. That would be taking what you read, and forming your own opinion on the validity of the statistics, based on your knowledge of the topic.

 

You cannot call UZR/150 useless just because you think it's off when it comes to the 2009 Yankees. In my opinion, that's pretty shortsighted.