Red Sox v. Angels ALDS Discussion

[Cocos Disciples]

He meant that since Wake is not on the roster' date=' Byrd will fil the "Wake-esque" role.[/quote']

 

Gotcha. When I said Daisuke, I meant that's who Byrd would be cleaning up after.

[VA Sox Fan]

Baldelli out of ALDS

 

Posted by Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff October 8, 2009 12:50 PM

 

NEW YORK - Rocco Baldelli will not be on the roster tonight when the Red Sox face the Los Angeles Angels tonight. The determination was made today in Anaheim according to a team source. Baldelli, suffering from a left hip flexor strain, simply couldn't recover in time to hep the Red Sox in this round. The feeling is Baldelli should recover to help the Red Sox should they advance to the next round.

 

Here is the full ALDS Red Sox roster:

 

Starters

1. Jon Lester

2. Josh Beckett

3. Clay Buchholz

4. Daisuke Matsuzaka

 

Bullpen

5. Billy Wagner

6. Takashi Saito

7. Jonathan Papelbon

8. Paul Byrd

9. Daniel Bard

10. Hideki Okajima

11. Ramon Ramirez

 

Infielders

12. Dustin Pedroia

13. Kevin Youkilis

14. Mike Lowell

15. Alex Gonzalez

16. Casey Kotchman

17. Jed Lowrie

18. David Ortiz

 

Outfielders

19. Brian Anderson

20. Jason Bay

21. Jacoby Ellsbiury

22. J.D. Drew

23. Joey Gathright

 

Catchers

24. Victor Martinez

25. Jason Varitek

[PWNdroia]

Angels win in 4, then beat the Yanks and win the WS. It's their year (finally).

[Dipre]

Angels win in 4' date=' then beat the Yanks and win the WS. It's their year (finally).[/quote']

 

What do you mean "finally"?

 

They won in 2002.

[Keeper]

Angels win in 4' date=' then beat the Yanks and win the WS. It's their year (finally).[/quote']

 

First, Beckett sucks and fakes injuries. Now, the Angels will beat the Yankees? Oh, and just saw that Drew's contributions are meaningless?

 

Take offense: you've got to be the dumbest poster on this forum.

[Dipre]

First, Beckett sucks and fakes injuries. Now, the Angels will beat the Yankees? Oh, and just saw that Drew's contributions are meaningless?

 

Take offense: you've got to be the dumbest poster on this forum.

 

QFT and great justice.

[TheKilo]

Pwndroia = troll, probably an Angels fan

[example1]

Can someone remind me what the consequences of CB's bad calls were last night? I watched the game on DVR and fast forwarded a bit and paused a lot, so I kind of lost the flow of the game. Which runs, if any, would have been prevented without them?

[Jasonbay44]

Can someone remind me what the consequences of CB's bad calls were last night? I watched the game on DVR and fast forwarded a bit and paused a lot' date=' so I kind of lost the flow of the game. Which runs, if any, would have been prevented without them?[/quote']

 

His two bad calls were made in innings that the Angels didn't score. Even if one of the calls allowed a run to score, we weren't winning this game. The ump didn't give up the bomb to Hunter and the and your never going to win a game were you score no runs. CB Bucknor was terrible, but he wasn't the reason the game was lost.

[PWNdroia]

Angels ftw

[PWNdroia]

What do you mean "finally"?

 

They won in 2002.

 

Oh, I know that, I'm just saying after all those years of losing to the Sox they'll finally beat us this year.

[PWNdroia]

First, Beckett sucks and fakes injuries. Now, the Angels will beat the Yankees? Oh, and just saw that Drew's contributions are meaningless?

 

Take offense: you've got to be the dumbest poster on this forum.

 

Beckett is a great pitcher IF HEALTHY!

 

And sorry for the triple post, just responding to quotes...

[rhet]

Can someone remind me what the consequences of CB's bad calls were last night? I watched the game on DVR and fast forwarded a bit and paused a lot' date=' so I kind of lost the flow of the game. Which runs, if any, would have been prevented without them?[/quote']

 

Having to get four outs in two of the innings drove up Lester's pitch count. He would have gone an extra inning without those calls.

[example1]

Having to get four outs in two of the innings drove up Lester's pitch count. He would have gone an extra inning without those calls.

 

That was my sense as well. I didn't think they hurt him boxscore-wise, but he definitely labored more because of it. The amount that a pitcher throws from the stretch is, in a sense, a reflection of how dominant they are in any particular start, IMO. Lester threw from the stretch more than he needed to last night.

[a700hitter]

That was my sense as well. I didn't think they hurt him boxscore-wise' date=' but he definitely labored more because of it. The amount that a pitcher throws from the stretch is, in a sense, a reflection of how dominant they are in any particular start, IMO. Lester threw from the stretch more than he needed to last night.[/quote']Strike up the King Felix trade rumor discussion. This series is killing me.

[Dipre]

Strike up the Adrian Gonzales or Prince Fielder trade rumor discussion. This series is killing me.

 

Fixed.

[Dojji]

I would be very surprised if any of Fielder, Hernandez or Gonzalez were made available by their teams.

 

Our trade pieces aren't the strongest in the league right now either, especially if the Mariners, Brewers or Padres want position players (and two out of the three are DESPERATE for position player talent)

 

Also playing corner-infielder-go-round doesn't address our biggest problems. A slugging 1B would be nice, but we have other serious holes that urgently need attention first, holes that are not easy at all to fill through free agency. Especially the hole at SS, but Catcher is going to need some attention, if only to sort out the players from the hopefuls on our own roster.

[a700hitter]

Well, I am hoping that Buchholz comes up big and I have to eat lots of crow. I think game 3 will be a high scoring game and if the Sox win it will be because they bludgeon the Angels.

[example1]

Well' date=' I am hoping that Buchholz comes up big and I have to eat lots of crow. I think game 3 will be a high scoring game and if the Sox win it will be because they bludgeon the Angels.[/quote']

 

They just need to win one and the series can be turned back around. If they win the first one in Fenway then it becomes a one-game playoff to send the series back to ANA for a 5th game. Probably Dice-K, but possibly Lester would be throwing at home. Anything could happen.

 

There's no shame in losing to the Angels, the have a very good franchise with a loaded team.

 

Otherwise, I'm interested to see how this team improves itself moving forward. A big part of me feels that if the Sox are going to lose, I'd rather they lose in this round, to the Angels, than in the next to the Yankees. This isn't just because I don't like it when the Yankees beat the Sox, it's also because I think this team is flawed and that getting to the LCS and losing might hide that fact from ownership/fans a bit and keep them from making the drastic moves that I hope they will make in the offseason. It's weird reasoning, but this team just doesn't feel like a championship team to me the past few months. I really, really like considerable parts of it, so they don't need to reinvent the wheel, just some tweaking here and there.

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox arent a championship team. They are a streaky team that gets shut down by good pitching. That never used to be the case when Manny and Papi were a tandem and both were rolling, cause it didnt matter who they faced, they could hit them. It changed the entire way the lineup was approached. As weird as it sounds, Papi and Manny really couldnt be pitched to in their prime. Now, everyone in the sox lineup can be pitched to and even with Youks having a really good yr, he doesnt strike fear in you like those guys did. Manny and Papi changed the approach of the pitcher, meaning that they had to give better pitches to the other hitters so they didnt have to face Manny and Papi with runners on via the walk. They knew when they were coming. Pitchers planned inning in advance to avoid them. Now, there is nobody that instills that fear.

[ORS]

Well' date=' I am hoping that Buchholz comes up big and I have to eat lots of crow. I think game 3 will be a high scoring game and if the Sox win it will be because they bludgeon the Angels.[/quote']

I think they get swept and Buchholz isn't the culprit. They are facing Kazmir who seems to have rediscovered the ability to be effective again. I think the offense is in one of those teamwide funks that they went into a couple of times this year. The timing sucks, but I think they struggle to score tomorrow.

[das11209]

I think they get swept and Buchholz isn't the culprit. They are facing Kazmir who seems to have rediscovered the ability to be effective again. I think the offense is in one of those teamwide funks that they went into a couple of times this year. The timing sucks' date=' but I think they struggle to score tomorrow.[/quote']

 

I am sure it is just a conincidence that offence is generally in funk against good pitching but we score 10 runs against teams like Balitimore's.

[Dipre]

The sox arent a championship team. They are a streaky team that gets shut down by good pitching. That never used to be the case when Manny and Papi were a tandem and both were rolling' date=' cause it didnt matter who they faced, they could hit them. It changed the entire way the lineup was approached. As weird as it sounds, Papi and Manny really couldnt be pitched to in their prime. Now, everyone in the sox lineup can be pitched to and even with Youks having a really good yr, he doesnt strike fear in you like those guys did. Manny and Papi changed the approach of the pitcher, meaning that they had to give better pitches to the other hitters so they didnt have to face Manny and Papi with runners on via the walk. They knew when they were coming. Pitchers planned inning in advance to avoid them. Now, there is nobody that instills that fear.[/quote']

 

Lol.

[ORS]

I am sure it is just a conincidence that offence is generally in funk against good pitching but we score 10 runs against teams like Balitimore's.

Nice try, but if you go back and look at the game logs, when they are hitting well they hit everyone, and when they were in a funk Paul Byrd clones shut them down. They are streaky, both as a group and as individuals.

[Dipre]

Nice try' date=' but if you go back and look at the game logs, when they are hitting well they hit everyone, and when they were in a funk Paul Byrd clones shut them down. They are streaky, both as a group and as individuals.[/quote']

 

At first i thought the Sox woes were a fluke, what do you think, old-timer? (This is not an insult, i call anyone who is 10 or more years older than me old-timer)

[das11209]

Nice try' date=' but if you go back and look at the game logs, when they are hitting well they hit everyone, and when they were in a funk Paul Byrd clones shut them down. They are streaky, both as a group and as individuals.[/quote']

 

Everyone is streaky - even the fearsome line-up of the Yankees. Good teams find a way to win when they are not in their best form.

 

The problem is our line-up can't come up with that any more. I am not saying they do not have good players - but overall the consistency is missing that is needed for a championship.

[ORS]

While not everyone is a model of consistency, so therefore, to some degree, everyone goes on good and bad streaks. I'm suggesting this collection of players is streaky relative to the normal ebb and flow. This doesn't make them incapable of winning a championship, but it does make the accomplishment less likely when they perform to the ebb in the playoffs. Particularly when the ebb seems to be aggravated by being on the road.

[das11209]

While not everyone is a model of consistency' date=' so therefore, to some degree, everyone goes on good and bad streaks. I'm suggesting this collection of players is streaky relative to the normal ebb and flow. This doesn't make them incapable of winning a championship, but it does make the accomplishment less likely when they perform to the ebb in the playoffs. Particularly when the ebb seems to be aggravated by being on the road.[/quote']

 

Your have good points - but I will go back to my old point that we miss the impact player that can change the game with one swing. Do you remember how A-Rod changed the game last night with one swing ( better late than never) - that used to be us. We used to have them in old Ortiz and Manny and we do not have them any more. We have good hitters who do great in a full season - but not impact players who change the game when it is on the line.

[Gom]

It's sad. I'm hoping the Red Sox come back because it's the Angels that scare me, not the Red Panties.

[Dojji]

Every player in this sport is streaky to some extent or another. that's how things work in a sport where even the best ballplayers are ess likely to produce in any one plate appearance than they areto not produce.

 

You're not going to get very far in the playoffs if too many of your players are in ebb phase even if you have a lineup full of Gehrigs.