Is Terry Francona the new Bobby Cox?

[brunansky_caught_the_ball]

Players like playing for him, management has a love affair with him, he has won 2 World Series titles and has made the playoffs in 5 out of 6 years as Red Sox manager.

 

The only thing stopping Terry Francona from being a saint in this town are those nit-picking, know-it-all types of fans who think they can do a better job than a manager who has won 2 World Series and only missed the playoffs once.

 

Anyway, I dont see him going anywhere anytime soon. Not when you are the manager of a perennial playoff team...like Bobby Cox.

[Dipre]

Players like playing for him, management has a love affair with him, he has won 2 World Series titles and has made the playoffs in 5 out of 6 years as Red Sox manager.

 

The only thing stopping Terry Francona from being a saint in this town are those nit-picking, know-it-all types of fans who think they can do a better job than a manager who has won 2 World Series and only missed the playoffs once.

 

Anyway, I dont see him going anywhere anytime soon. Not when you are the manager of a perennial playoff team...like Bobby Cox.

 

This thread is hilarious.

[The_Destroyah]

WTF?

 

threads like this make me chuckle.

[Rdsxmbnt]

its not so much that people think they could do a better job but that really a lot of people could do the same thing with what he has to work with. How good a manager is is directly related to how good the players are.

[The_Destroyah]

The Manager position is overated, there are very few things they can do to affect what happens on the field, not to say that a good manager isnt good to have but if we had the best manager in baseball how many more wins do you honestly think we'd have? I dont think it would be much...a team full of good players wins games a team with bad players lose games, I dont care how well managed the Pirates are next year (not saying they are well managed) they will be one of the worst teams in baseball, and I dont care how poorly managed the Yankees are (not saying they are) they will most likely make the playoffs.

[Spudboy]

Players like playing for him, management has a love affair with him, he has won 2 World Series titles and has made the playoffs in 5 out of 6 years as Red Sox manager.

 

The only thing stopping Terry Francona from being a saint in this town are those nit-picking, know-it-all types of fans who think they can do a better job than a manager who has won 2 World Series and only missed the playoffs once.

 

Anyway, I dont see him going anywhere anytime soon. Not when you are the manager of a perennial playoff team...like Bobby Cox.

 

No one like that on Talksox.

 

Not here. Ever.

[Emmz]

Lol, I hope you're kidding, I really do. Terry Francona is a joke manager, and with the talent he has, I honest to god think anyone could win a World Series or two

[BoSox21]

do we really have to turn this into a serious thread?

[The_Destroyah]

Lol' date=' I hope you're kidding, I really do. Terry Francona is a joke manager, and with the talent he has, I honest to god think anyone could win a World Series or two[/quote']

 

I don't think Tito is a joke manager, I just think he is a bit overated, but there really arent too many managers in the AL better than him (there are a few though) I think many people are Overating the manager position as a whole, The only place that managers really are worth their weight is in the NL where in game moves are of absolute importance, here in the AL it makes little difference, the GM is where it gets important.

[Emmz]

He makes some of the worst in-game decisions you could possibly make, and it's infuriating sometimes. I think the manager position may be overrated, but when you're as terrible as Tito is at making in-game decisions, you can still bring your team down. If he was in the NL, where it definitely is a tenfold more important, he'd never have this success

[The_Destroyah]

so what AL manager would you rather have over Tito?

[Cocos Disciples]

"The only thing stopping Terry Francona from being a saint is that a lot of times the things he does are f***ing retarded."

[Emmz]

I think Ron Gardenhire beats Tito, call me a homer all you want, but he's taken teams that were projected to do nothing, and gone far with them. Mike Socia is another one who I'd take eight days a week over Tito. None of the others really stand out, but I just can't stand his in-game management, it's terrible, he does some of the most idiotic things that make you want to go kick a cat

[The_Destroyah]

I think Ron Gardenhire beats Tito' date=' call me a homer all you want, but he's taken teams that were projected to do nothing, and gone far with them. Mike Socia is another one who I'd take eight days a week over Tito. None of the others really stand out, but I just can't stand his in-game management, it's terrible, he does some of the most idiotic things that make you want to go kick a cat[/quote']

 

In all fairness there arent many things that DONT make me want to kick a cat, I do that s*** for fun.

[Emmz]

Word, cats are probably the only things that I really dislike with all of my being.

[RWTP24]

This is pretty damn funny.

[Dipre]

Lol Francona lol.

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He makes some of the worst in-game decisions you could possibly make' date=' and it's infuriating sometimes. I think the manager position may be overrated, but when you're as terrible as Tito is at making in-game decisions, you can still bring your team down. If he was in the NL, where it definitely is a tenfold more important, he'd never have this success[/quote']

 

Woah, hold up there Emmz. I have heard your strong critiques of Francona but I haven't seen many very good reasons.

 

A joke of a manager?

 

He was hired specifically by this front office for this job. He has been resigned. You can say what you will about Theo and the FO, but they wouldn't tolerate mediocrity for very long if they didn't have to. Furthermore, things that a manager does which are 'intangable' are things like managing egos, getting players rest, pep talks, etc., we all agree that Francona does very well with these things.

 

The things that are tangible are EXACTLY the things you are talking about. In-game management is something that actually CAN be measured and I have faith that this front office (with all of the brain power they have amassed) actually cares about how the game is managed.

 

Francona plays the percentages just the way he should. He understands the concept of "leverage" and plays his cards accordingly and it has worked out very well.

 

I don't understand how anyone could say that he's a "joke" of a manager. He may have made a mistake with Pedro in the 04 playoffs, but watch a full season of baseball with any manager and you will see mistakes. The results really cannot be questioned, and neither can the sharp focus of the FO in terms of making decisions about personnel.

[rhet]

Is Terry Francona the new Bobby Cox?

 

Why, does Francona beat up his wife, too?

[Dipre]

Woah, hold up there Emmz. I have heard your strong critiques of Francona but I haven't seen many very good reasons.

 

A joke of a manager?

 

He was hired specifically by this front office for this job. He has been resigned. You can say what you will about Theo and the FO, but they wouldn't tolerate mediocrity for very long if they didn't have to. Furthermore, things that a manager does which are 'intangable' are things like managing egos, getting players rest, pep talks, etc., we all agree that Francona does very well with these things.

 

The things that are tangible are EXACTLY the things you are talking about. In-game management is something that actually CAN be measured and I have faith that this front office (with all of the brain power they have amassed) actually cares about how the game is managed.

 

Francona plays the percentages just the way he should. He understands the concept of "leverage" and plays his cards accordingly and it has worked out very well.

 

I don't understand how anyone could say that he's a "joke" of a manager. He may have made a mistake with Pedro in the 04 playoffs, but watch a full season of baseball with any manager and you will see mistakes. The results really cannot be questioned, and neither can the sharp focus of the FO in terms of making decisions about personnel.

 

I wouldn't call him an absolute joke, but the concern that his in-game decisions are usually suspect is correct.

[Dojji]

Word' date=' cats are probably the only things that I really dislike with all of my being.[/quote']

 

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Seriously, Tito isn't bad. A joke of a manager is Grady Little or other guys who put their people in a position to fail. For the most part Tito avoids that and allows us to focus on the guys on the field. That's pretty much the job of an AL manager.

 

he does have some headscratchers, but so doesn't everyone else. There's usually at least a rational basis for his actions, even if it's a little off the wall, and he'll face the music and give some accounting for his decisions when asked to, which is a step up from Kerrigan at least.

 

He doesn't play on pure hunchwork like his predecessor either, and that's worth putting up with a lot for right there.

[Dipre]

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Seriously, Tito isn't bad. A joke of a manager is Grady Little or other guys who put their people in a position to fail. For the most part Tito avoids that and allows us to focus on the guys on the field. That's pretty much the job of an AL manager

 

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[brunansky_caught_the_ball]

I wasnt trying to be funny with my original post. Im serious.

 

I honesly have a hard time digesting the fact that people criticize Terry Francona. What were you people saying when Grady Little, Jimy Williams and Joe Kerrigan were at the helm of the Red Sox.

 

Each of these managers had talented players (like Francona) and did nothing with them. They blew it. They couldnt turn those talented players into a cohesive team if they took a million smart pills.

 

Those managers deserve all the venom of a thousand cobras. But Francona? My mind is blown right now.

[Dipre]

I wasnt trying to be funny with my original post. Im serious.

 

I honesly have a hard time digesting the fact that people criticize Terry Francona. What were you people saying when Grady Little, Jimy Williams and Joe Kerrigan were at the helm of the Red Sox.

 

Each of these managers had talented players (like Francona) and did nothing with them. They blew it. They couldnt turn those talented players into a cohesive team if they took a million smart pills.

 

Those managers deserve all the venom of a thousand cobras. But Francona? My mind is blown right now.

 

Francona's in-game calling is suspect.

[Dojji]

Francona's in-game calling is suspect.

 

So? He gets the basic stuff right and gets the whole team on the same page day in and day out. That right there puts him above at least half of the American League's managers.

[Dipre]

So? He gets the basic stuff right and gets the whole team on the same page day in and day out. That right there puts him above at least half of the American League's managers.

 

I didn't ask for angry fanboy responses.

 

I said his in-game calling is suspect, and it is.

[Dojji]

I didn't ask for angry fanboy responses.

 

I said his in-game calling is suspect, and it is.

 

What do you want? A cookie? A pat on the back? A plaque congratulating you on your amazing feat of deductive logic?

 

Here's a little something for you to chew on. EVERY manager's in game calling is suspect. They have to make a ton of little decisions over the course of the season and a certain number of those decisions are going to backfire. Horribly. I don't think tito has more of those than anyone else. And as a fan who's seen the difference between Tito and awful managers like Grady Little, I don't really think you do either.

 

The way I see it we're arguing this while rooting for a playoff-bound team, so I don't see where it's really worth discussing. But then again if falling back on that allows you to feel more comfortable with our talent level on the field on days when we lose heartbreakers, knock yourself out.

[Dipre]

What do you want? A cookie? A pat on the back? A plaque congratulating you on your amazing feat of deductive logic?

 

Here's a little something for you to chew on. EVERY manager's in game calling is suspect. They have to make a ton of little decisions over the course of the season and a certain number of those decisions are going to backfire. Horribly. I don't think tito has more of those than anyone else. And as a fan who's seen the difference between Tito and awful managers like Grady Little, I don't really think you do either.

 

The way I see it we're arguing this while rooting for a playoff-bound team, so I don't see where it's really worth discussing. But then again if falling back on that allows you to feel more comfortable with our talent level on the field on days when we lose heartbreakers, knock yourself out.

 

Just about every part of this post is laughable except for the part where you ask if i want a cookie.

 

Otherwise, the post is a waste of bandwidth.Well done.

[Dojji]

Just about every part of this post is laughable except for the part where you ask if i want a cookie.

 

Otherwise, the post is a waste of bandwidth.Well done.

 

Because this post is truly worth enshrining in the all-time Internet Forums Of All Ages Hall Of Fame.

[Dipre]

Because this post is truly worth enshrining in the all-time Internet Forums Of All Ages Hall Of Fame.

 

Compared to your previous one, yes.

 

Just take the rose-colored glasses off, man.

 

Francona's not bad, but he's not as good as you make him out to be