Wily Mo Pena

[BoSox21]

I remember seeing Wily Mo take BP in Toronto back in 2006 and he launched a homer that hit the actual restaurant way up in dead CF at SkyDome

 

It was Roy Halladay vs. Lenny DiNardo that day, needless to say DiNardo didn't make the 12 hour, one-day round trip worth it...

[rician blast]

everybody got caught up in his raw power' date=' but nobody really understood how bad of an offensive player he was. His approach sucked, he hardly ever made contact and he never could hit to the situation. Yes, when he hit the ball it was usually a missile, but that was so few and far between that he eventually ran out of chances. I'll tell you what, if Arroyo was still on this team for 2009, I'd say you'd have a much better chance than where you stand now. Arroyo would man that 5 hole every 5th day and would be giving you close to 200IP. Thats all you need out of that slot in the rotation. But now? You have one pitcher with a torn labrum who's been increasingly fragile over the past couple seasons and you have a 5a and 5b who are both hurt.[/quote']

 

Those of us who know the value of inning eating pitchers said, at the time of that trade, that the Sox FO f***ed up AND f***ed OVER Arroyo after he took the home town discount. These fans were never caught up in WMP's raw power...and we got beaten down by some other Sox fans for dissing WMP.

 

However, I see no need to go back now and rehash that trade and what might have been.

We've got what we've got, and have to play with that roster.

[Ionicknight]

I remember seeing Wily Mo take BP in Toronto back in 2006 and he launched a homer that hit the actual restaurant way up in dead CF at SkyDome

 

It was Roy Halladay vs. Lenny DiNardo that day, needless to say DiNardo didn't make the 12 hour, one-day round trip worth it...

 

Like this?:

 

(add http:// to the link, can't post bc I'm a new member)

 

boston.redsox.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w=2007/open/tp/archive04/041707_bostor_pena_hr_tp_350.wmv&pid=mlb_tp&gid=2007/04/17/bosmlb-tormlb-1&mid=200704171915183&cid=mlb&fid=mlb_tp400&v=2&id=566255

[BoSox21]

yup, that was good times

 

that clip actually got me curious to see whatever happened to Gustavo Chacin. turns out he signed a minor-league deal with Washington

[TheKilo]

Wily Mo was a god, y'all are haters.

[italstallianion]

When he made contact the ball went further than anything hit by Adam Dunn. The problem is that Chuck Norris cries more often than Willy Mo Pena makes contact. It's almost as if he were closing his eyes and swinging as hard as he could...

[ORS]

Wily Mo Pop-up, 'nuf ced.

[Dojji]

No discipline, couldn't hit a curve ball, no work ethic, has the body of an NFL LB but rival Drew in durability. Should I keep going?

 

 

Your sum up his time in Boston as "not that terrible"....

 

Do I need to run the Red flag up the pole for you to see it?

 

.301 .349 .489 .838

 

Pena's slash stats in '06 at a time when we needed every hitter we could get -- and Pena resultingly actually got consistent at bats, someting he's never gotten since,

 

I know you guys want to crucify him because of the numbers he put up in '07 but he really wasn't that bad taken as a whole.

[msubulldogs21]

It's almost as if he were closing his eyes and swinging as hard as he could...

 

WMP trying to hit an offspeed pitch = Cerrano

[TheKilo]

Wily Mo Pop-up' date=' 'nuf ced.[/quote']

 

/adam

[az1soxfan15]

The best thing WMP could do for the Sox' date=' is sign with the Yankees.[/quote']

 

haha right. and have a guaranteed strike out. i say heck no, wily mo would be a great player if he just learned the basic rule of baseball, keep your eye on the ball. i used to think when he was on the sox that maybe the sox could do some work on him and make him have better dicipline, and i knew manny was gunna be gone soon so i thought he could of been the cleanup guy of the future. haha i was wrong

[BoSox21]

Pena just doesn't get on-base enough to justify the amount of times he strikes out

[Ionicknight]

He's just been placed on waivers, GRAB HIM!

[rician blast]

WMP just plain sucks...let's not overanalyze him.

[Dojji]

WMP just plain sucks...let's not overanalyze him.

 

I guess I agree. Kinda a shame though, the one thing he does he does so well that you wish he could develop the companion skills to make use of it.

[ORS]

He was blocked at COF positions? With Trot Nixon on the team? Sorry, that's not true. He played CF primarily because Crisp got hurt and he was capable. Furthermore, CF was his best position. He was atrocious at reading the ball when he played a corner because he could never gauge the spin right and it always f***ed him up.

[Dojji]

He was a respectable offensive player in 2006, so I was thinking mostly of his 2007 campaign when I said he was blocked at the corners. He got no shortage of reps in right field with Nixon around because Nixon, as often as not, wasn't healthy enough to play. Also because he was hitting at that point, which magically mends all defensive flaws.

[riverside sluggers]

We stunted his development by sticking him on the bench and blocking him in all but his worst position (CF). That limits his ability to get consistent development time severely. Of course most of the damage was done by whoever rushed him to the majors in the first place. but the guy proved he could hit at the big league level in 2 years as a Cincinatti Red -- despite not getting 400 at bats in any season in Cincy. It was only here where he learned how not to be able to hit.

 

The writing was on the wall when they signed Drew. I was almost certain that Wily Mo was going to get the right field job with Trot being a free agent

[yeszir]

All rotation discussion was moved to: http://www.talksox.com/forum/talk-sox-forum/12115-red-sox-rotation-discussion.html

 

Please keep it there.

 

Thank you,

management

[BoSox21]

yeszir cracking down I see

[Dojji]

I was wondering exactly how a thread about Wily Mo wound up going there. I guess it was the Arroyo discussion.

[Cocos Disciples]

All rotation discussion was moved to: http://www.talksox.com/forum/talk-sox-forum/12115-red-sox-rotation-discussion.html

 

Please keep it there.

 

Thank you,

management

 

lol management.

[soxfan17881]

He started with us...we don't really want him back. Usually' date=' your good players come to us, and you end up with our crap. Historically at least.[/quote']

 

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[PapelbonLester]

Why are we still dicussing this guy

[SCM33]

Why are we still dicussing this guy

 

We werent for almost 9 days until you bumped the thread.

[stinge]

The writing was on the wall when they signed Drew. I was almost certain that Wily Mo was going to get the right field job with Trot being a free agent

 

I think that was the general idea that pena was gonna replace the right field position. But he can't. He can tear the cover off the ball when he gets a hold of it. But he strikes out like 15 times per game LOL. They brought him over because they thoought he had the potential to be a good hitter with the help of the hitting coach. I thought that being around Manny and big Pap at the time, they would work with him and he would take some lessons from those 2 guys. especially Manny as good of a hitter he is. But it never worked out. The guy is a beast and has a ton of power but his lack of plate discipline isn't how the red sox play the game. I think they took a chance on him the same way they took a cjance with big papi before he came over from the twins. He wasn't that good a hitter, but had a lt of power. The red sox signed him and in his 1st year he was amazing. and now he's one of the faces of the franchise. I think the sox were hoping Wily Mo would turn out to be the same way. They were getting a low cost player with power with the potential and hopes of him becoming a better hitter, but it never worked out. I can only imagine what the sox line up would have been like if Wily Mo developed into a better batting average hitter along with his power a few years ago. Big Papi, Manny and Wily Mo batting 3,4, and 5. That would've been great to watch.

[stinge]

Those of us who know the value of inning eating pitchers said, at the time of that trade, that the Sox FO f***ed up AND f***ed OVER Arroyo after he took the home town discount. These fans were never caught up in WMP's raw power...and we got beaten down by some other Sox fans for dissing WMP.

 

How about the trade that sent Shea Hillenbrand to the Diamondbacks for Byung Hung Kim. That was a crapy move. Shea Hillenbrand was comming off an all star season and we get rid of him for a looser pitcher who was getting booed by Boston fans at Fenway. The reports were that he was giving them all the finger. I'm from Ny, and I never been to fenway, but I never heard of red sox players getting booed by their own fans. Not even when they're loosing by a landslide.

[stinge]

I seriously don't get the Wily Mo hate. What's up with that? Seriously, I don't see what WMP ever did to us that was that terrible. He hit well in '06. and while he didn't in '07 he fetched back Carter, a nice minor league hitter with far better fundamentals than Pena had that we could stash in the minors until we needed him.

 

Was Dave Maggadan the hitting coach when Wily Mo was there? I know Dave Maggadan worked with someone on the team last year that got them hitting better. I think it was Jd drew. it would be nice if the sox were a little more patient with Wily mo to see if he would develop into the type of hitter they thought he could be. I was always under the impression that at the time Manny would take him under his wing and turn him into the complete package at the plate. Maybe he tried, maybe he didn't. Who knows. The sox do have a history of bringing in players and getting rid of them in a very quickly after a year or two. That's what they were planning to do with Big Papi when he came over from the Twins. He was sort of like Wily Mo. A guy with developing power. The scoutiong report on papi at at the time was that he used to hit little flairs into left field off the end of the bat. when the Sox 1st signed him, I thought, there goes another one of these 1yr rentals the sox always get. But they said he worked on his swing in the off season and he turned out to be a beast. And the best part about it is that the yankees wanted to sign him. Or at least Brian cashman did but Steinbrener didn't want him.

[TheKilo]

Stop triple posting. Learn the multiquote function

[Dojji]

I think they took a chance on him the same way they took a cjance with big papi before he came over from the twins. He wasn't that good a hitter' date=' but had a lt of power.[/quote']

 

That's not quite how it was. Big Papi was always a disciplined hitter with an IsoD frequently at or around .100. He might have never put it all together but it was all there. With WMP some parts of it were not there. They had to know that their chances weren't as good with Pena as they were with Ortiz.

 

 

How about the trade that sent Shea Hillenbrand to the Diamondbacks for Byung Hung Kim. That was a crapy move. Shea Hillenbrand was comming off an all star season and we get rid of him for a looser pitcher who was getting booed by Boston fans at Fenway. The reports were that he was giving them all the finger. I'm from Ny, and I never been to fenway, but I never heard of red sox players getting booed by their own fans. Not even when they're loosing by a landslide.

 

Shea Hillenbrand has not covered himself in glory since he left Boston and was a bigtime attitude problem. Also with Mueller, Millar, and Ortiz there really wasn't a need for him. Kim was perhaps one of the worst postseason closers in history before he even got to Boston but it's not like anyone in that bullpen that year was inspiring confidence. That's why we got Foulke the next season.