Sox still pursuing Tek

[Dojji]

Anyone think the Sox sign Tek and still make a trade?

 

 

They could put Bard in AAA, or trade him/release him. I guess Kott and Brown could be trade canidates as well.

 

No, because Teagarden and Ramirez both have options. There is no roster crunch here. Texas is under no obligation at all to make a trade and signing Melhuse (not exactly a premiere backup) signifies nothing less or more than a willingness to build up insurance, probably in case Saltalamacchia can't improve defensively.

[riverside sluggers]

Even with a Varitek signing, theres been numerous reports that it wouldnt negate a trade for a young catching stud.

 

The figure thats out there for Varitek, 2 years/$10 million (including option) is what I had figured going into the offseason.

http://blogs.weei.com/robbradford/2009/01/25/deadline-for-varitek/

[italstallianion]

Plus I don't see Bard being the "catcher of the future" that Varitek is supposed to mentor for the next 2 years. Something about that doesn't add up, and I think that Red Sox Nation knows that feeling...

[BSN07]

Bard isn't the catcher of the future, or the one Tek would groom. He is a back up. And that's all, unless he comes in and rakes.

[laxtonto]

Melhuse was signed to be the personnel instructor for Max Ramirez. He is known as a very good defensive teacher and will be a minor league instructor after his professional career is over if he wishes to. If Melhuse can teach Ramirez enough to be an everyday catcher with average defense, his bat will make his top 5 at the position. Currently his bat is thought to be good enough that Texas initially considered to not use the option on Blalock and let Ramirez DH, but the team ultimately decided that he has infinately more long term value at C. 1 extra year in the minors will not hurt his abilty to DH longterm but can only help his chances of being a long term starter at C.

[Dojji]

That makes Ramirez sound like Jon Still. Is his glove that bad?

[laxtonto]

He needs a lot of work, but has shown decent progression since he was traded from Cleveland to Texas. Supposedly his mechanics behind the plate are improving and Melhuse was brought in to teach more of the mental side of the game and refine his footwork and throws.

 

I don't know what they do down there, but they have one hell of a Catching program. Texas has legit Catching prospects in the MLB level (2 actually) AAA, AA, A+ not sure in A ball, and should have 1 in SS if they bring their "next" Latin American stud from the DSL to Short Season ball.

 

Texas goes after athletic players, mostly Latin American signees, and turns them into C. I know at least 1 is a converted SS. Hell, they moved one guy, Christian Santana, permanently from C to CF last year becasue of health concerns. He is considered to be a plus defender in CF. Texas is doing something right in their minor league affiliates with their catching prospects, thats for sure.

[Dipre]

That makes Ramirez sound like Jon Still. Is his glove that bad?

 

But his bat is that good.

[diony]

$5m for Tek and his negative VORP. :thumbsup:

[Dipre]

$5m for Tek and his negative VORP. :thumbsup:

 

Seriously, from a yankee fan of all sources?

 

http://jakking.typepad.com/daily/images/nice_big_cup_1.jpg

[BSN07]

$5m for Tek and his negative VORP. :thumbsup:

 

13M for Jorge:lol: And fot the next 3 years:lol: And he might not be able to throw to 2B:lol: Or catch for that matter:lol:

[WhiskeyBreath]

13M for Jorge:lol: And fot the next 3 years:lol: And he might not be able to throw to 2B:lol: Or catch for that matter:lol:

 

lmao

[diony]

13M for Jorge:lol: And fot the next 3 years:lol: And he might not be able to throw to 2B:lol: Or catch for that matter:lol:

 

After a .338/.426/.543 season on a muchhhhhh better market.

 

$5 million guaranteed after a .220/.313/.359, -1.0 VORP and playing awful defense on THIS market, awesome. :thumbsup: Besides Theo was STUPID enough to offer him arbitration, and LUCKY that Tek was even more stupid to not accept it.

 

Fail :harhar:

[MANNYHOF24]

After a .338/.426/.543 season on a muchhhhhh better market.

 

$5 million guaranteed after a .220/.313/.359, -1.0 VORP and playing awful defense on THIS market, awesome. :thumbsup: Besides Theo was STUPID enough to offer him arbitration, and LUCKY that Tek was even more stupid to not accept it.

 

Fail :harhar:

 

Still a s***** situation for the Yankees, to owe that much for a player that might contribute nothing.

[italstallianion]

It's not like the Yankees haven't been in that situation before...ironically after just ditching Carl Pavano's contract...

[diony]

Still a s***** situation for the Yankees' date=' to owe that much for a player that might contribute nothing.[/quote']

 

I was talking about Tek on a Tek thread, he's the one that brought in Jorge.

[26 to 6]

Again, throwing random s*** against the wall to see what sticks.

 

So you lied to the united states marine core? You sound like an honorable man.

 

The word I use for people like you is "topper". You have to top everything. Who f***ing cares about anything you just posted. Who said anything about military? Who said anything about training.....you are right, I am not a cop, I am a security guard. I make 9 bucks an hour. You are right, I am a liar.....I am a quincy janitor and I scrub toilets. What does that matter? How do you use that as an argument that you played professional baseball?

 

You claimed you were a professional baseball player, on a baseball forum with knowledgeable baseball followers.

 

Again, back to the original point.......prove you played.

So wait are you a cop or a security guard? I'd like you a lot better if you were a security guard.

 

Btw, reading these last few pages has my head spinning. way to go guys. It's nice to see a multi-page beef that doesn't include me

 

I did..my word is proof enough. Who the f*** brags about MINOR league baseball? Believe me..anyone who knows me-- knows I view my baseball career as a FAILURE...

If you did in fact play pro ball, there's nothing bad about not making it further than you supposedly did. I'm not going to sit here and call you a liar, but I'm not going to take your word for it 100%. I Baseball Cube'd every catcher who played in Asheville since they became a Rockies affiliate and saw nobody from Massachusetts, but it is possible I overlooked a name or 2. Anyway, back to my point. Only a small percentage of boys who dream about playing pro ball get the chance to, and an even smaller percentage of them make it to the bigs for even a cup of coffee, let alone a long, productive, profitable career. Anyone who did in fact play pro ball has my respect, regardless of how high they made it. And while I respect your accomplishments, the behavior you've displayed here isn't worthy of my respect, as a person. Get your s*** together, because if you do possess all this knowledge and experience you claim you could definitely be a strong contributor to this community.

[Keeper]

I wouldn't view playing in the Minors as a failure at all. You played professional baseball. Not everyone can say that.

[26 to 6]

Uh oh wait a minute. ******** ALERT!!!!!

 

BTW, had it not been for a compound fracture of my ankle(happened in 2nd year at Asheville, collision at home)..I may have made it pretty high..not sure how high as I was a light-hitting defensive catcher..good contact hitter, just not much power.

 

1995-1999 sport. I was in 3rd Battalion...Platoon #3074. I just edited my Senior DI's name out..no need for names..but you caught it anyway. seniro drill instructor? It is called typo f***wad. That little PRETEND bootcamp the cops go through is a joke. I have no clue on earth where you got 1978? 1st Battalion's numbers start with a 1..2nd...with a 2..and so on.. I think the 74 on the end is the # of platoon in terms of the order in which it was begun that calendar year..eg the 1st platoon would be either 1st, 2nd, or 3rd battalion ..1001, 2001, 3001.. Honestly, you really have no clue what the f*** you are talking about. I bet you GOOGLED 3rd Battalion 3074! HAHAHAz! You fuggin idiot! HAHAHA! OH YES!!! Wait, could you actually be this stupid? Oh s***, you are too f***ing stupid to live!!!!...You should literally-- be put to sleep..Captain Caveman! Of course there was a 3074 in 1978! I assume every year there are at least 74 platoons! Oh man you are a f***ing dullard!

 

In all seriousness, after my truncated baseball career was over, I did not disclose my injury to Boston MEPS and headed to Parris, Island. 3rd Battalion platoon 3074 and proceded to serve my 4 years in the USMC. I spent 1 year in 29 Palms, and 2 in El Toro , CA before it closed down. I got my DD214 discharge papers at MCAS Miramar.. While in, I played 2 years on All-Marine Softball team... This is fact.

 

So from what I've gathered from these 3 posts; you played two seasons with the Tourists, you served in the Marines from 1995-1999 AFTER your career ended, and you claimed to have played in the Colorado organization.

 

But there are some inconsistencies there. Asheville didn't become a Rockies affiliate until 1994. You claimed you played two seasons prior to enlisting in 1995. After doing some simple math calculations in my head, I don't see hoy you did both, played for the Tourists and joined the Marines.

 

I'm sure you'll come up with a ******** explanation though...

[SCM33]

Uh oh wait a minute. ******** ALERT!!!!!

 

So from what I've gathered from these 3 posts; you played two seasons with the Tourists, you served in the Marines from 1995-1999 AFTER your career ended, and you claimed to have played in the Colorado organization.

 

But there are some inconsistencies there. Asheville didn't become a Rockies affiliate until 1994. You claimed you played two seasons prior to enlisting in 1995. After doing some simple math calculations in my head, I don't see hoy you did both, played for the Tourists and joined the Marines.

 

I'm sure you'll come up with a ******** explanation though...

 

Yeah, I already tried to show him that he was caught in a lie, dont worry.....hell try to cover one lie with another, and instead of just coming clean, or simply proving something with actual fact.....he will just insult you instead all in an attempt to make you forget what the original point was.....and bury his original lie under 2 pages and 30 something message board posts, all in the insulting variety.

 

 

26-6:

I am a full time correctional officer/deputy sheriff (which means I have passed both a DOC academy which is basically a shrunken down version of army bootcamp, and a police academy which was pretty easy), and a part time police officer for a non-civil service department in a small community. I do a few patrols now and then, work the desk a little and pick up a detail here or there (yes, we do still get them).

 

I do most of my time inside the walls but do work outside here and there when I feel like tacking on a cruiser shift to my 40 hours inside, the thing that sucks is that I work 3-11, then Ill pick up a shift at the PD for 11-7 (more like 1130, since I have to drive from one to the other).

[BSN07]

After a .338/.426/.543 season on a muchhhhhh better market.

 

$5 million guaranteed after a .220/.313/.359, -1.0 VORP and playing awful defense on THIS market, awesome. :thumbsup: Besides Theo was STUPID enough to offer him arbitration, and LUCKY that Tek was even more stupid to not accept it.

 

Fail :harhar:

 

Yes, offering arb(knowing Boras will most likely decline) and protecting your team with a compensation pick is stupid...

 

Then getting the player at 1/2 of the likely arb outcome is stupid...

 

 

Why even bring up Tek's bat? Has anyone here said we need his bat in the lineup? I doubt it. The main reason for wanting Tek, is his intangables behind the dish, not at it.

 

 

Your and mine opinions of "stupid" differ drastically.

 

 

Diony= Sukkel(Dutch, look it up)

[riverside sluggers]

Red Sox gave Tek a Saturday deadline

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1148022&srvc=sports&position=0

 

Fail, wtf? Scott Boras was boasting that Tek should get 4 years/$52 million. Theo responded "Well if you think you can get anything close to that, than that team wont mind giving up draft picks"

 

And it wouldnt have been a bad deal had he accepted arbitration and been locked up for another year at $10 million

 

To end my post.... really people enough with the fail, its been run into the ground awhile ago

[BSN07]

Fail, wtf? Scott Boras was boasting that Tek should get 4 years/$52 million. Theo responded "Well if you think you can get anything close to that, than that team wont mind giving up draft picks"

 

And it wouldnt have been a bad deal had he accepted arbitration and been locked up for another year at $10 million

 

To end my post.... really people enough with the fail, its been run into the ground awhile ago

 

Diony's version of fail, is if you don't overpay for a player. He doesn't realize there's other ways of negotiation, other then blowing everyone else out of the water.

[a700hitter]

Red Sox gave Tek a Saturday deadline

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1148022&srvc=sports&position=0

That doesn't leave the Sox much time to make a deal for a catcher in time for the opening of camp. My prediction is that Varitek signs elsewhere. The deal doesn't seem to have much in the way of incentives. IMO, He can get the $5 million chump change elsewhere plus incentives. He's a proud guy. He will not let himself be bullied by the FO, and he's probably pissed at Boras too.

[riverside sluggers]

By then it will be 2 weeks to pitchers and catchers, I dont think thats too short of time to strike a deal for a young stud

 

The key for any team who gives up $5 million in chump change plus incentives... is the draft picks that are now a hot commodity as ever

[BSN07]

That doesn't leave the Sox much time to make a deal for a catcher in time for the opening of camp. My prediction is that Varitek signs elsewhere. The deal doesn't seem to have much in the way of incentives. IMO' date=' He can get the $5 million chump change elsewhere plus incentives. He's a proud guy. He will not let himself be bullied by the FO, and he's probably pissed at Boras too.[/quote']

 

I'm sure the Sox have a good idea what it will take to get 1 of the 3 top choices at Catcher. I'm reasonably sure a deal could get done rather quickly.

 

Either that or it will be a 3 dog race to see who is opening day catcher out of Kottraras, Brown, and Bard. All have some seeable upside, but never have put it all together. Maybe some high reward competition will do them some good.

[a700hitter]

I'm sure the Sox have a good idea what it will take to get 1 of the 3 top choices at Catcher. I'm reasonably sure a deal could get done rather quickly.

 

Either that or it will be a 3 dog race to see who is opening day catcher out of Kottraras, Brown, and Bard. All have some seeable upside, but never have put it all together. Maybe some high reward competition will do them some good.

...and once Tek signs elsewhere, the price of another catcher will go up, because the Sox will have lost significant negotiating leverage.

[TheKilo]

It's a genius contract offer if you think about it, though.

 

- Tek turned down $10+ mil guaranteed for one season by not accepting arb, as he thought thewre would be more of a market for his services.

 

- Tek learns no team is willing to give up a draft pick by signing him, therefore killing his market.

 

- No other offers come about. Tek is left waiting.

 

- Sox offer this deal. At least $8 mil guaranteed in the face of no other offers.

 

- If Tek accepts, and by some miracle has a bounceback season, the Sox exercise the team option for $5 mil after Varitek regains a lot of his value.

 

- If Tek accepts and has a season just like 2008, he won't do better than $3 mil and it's almost like he would be overpaid.

 

- If Tek rejects, the Sox save face by saying "We offered $8 mil guaranteed over two years when he didn't even have another public offer."

 

Genius.

[BSN07]

...and once Tek signs elsewhere' date=' the price of another catcher will go up, because the Sox will have lost significant negotiating leverage.[/quote']

 

Hence the 2nd part of my post.

[a700hitter]

- If Tek rejects, the Sox save face by saying "We offered $8 mil guaranteed over two years when he didn't even have another public offer."

 

Genius.

... and they will be stuck with three unaccomplished talentless bums to handle the catching chores in '09. Genius....?