Pettitte REJECTS offer!

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/baseball/06yanks.html?_r=2&ref=sports

 

Tyler Kepner of the Times is reporting that Andy Pettitte has rejected the $10 million offer that the Yankees have had on the table all off-season. It seemed inevitable that Pettitte would return next year, then there was a shadow of doubt, however it was ion the Yankees part. It's obvious the Hendricks brothers have been trying to drive the offer up for quite some time, but if he really wants to stay with the Yankees this is a bold move. I don't see Ca$h increasing the offer at all. If Andy wants to go elsewhere; Texas, Atlanta, wherever then fine, I say let him go at this point. After all of the support he received from the fans and the organization last year after he was named in the Mitchell Report this disgusts me.

 

Here's a September quote from Pettitte,

 

“Obviously anyone else would say, ‘I’ll go wherever I want to,’ because people want to try to get the most money,” Pettitte said before a Yankees-Angels game in Anaheim, Calif. “But, I mean, I’m not going anywhere, you know what I’m saying? The Yankees know me enough, it’s not like I’m going to hold out. I guess if I had spent all my money or whatever, it might be different. But it’s not about that, really, anymore.”

 

All I can say to that now is ********!

[pinstripezac]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/baseball/06yanks.html?_r=2&ref=sports

 

 

 

Sliding into home has a good quote from Andy in September posted on the blog,

 

“Obviously anyone else would say, ‘I’ll go wherever I want to,’ because people want to try to get the most money,” Pettitte said before a Yankees-Angels game in Anaheim, Calif. “But, I mean, I’m not going anywhere, you know what I’m saying? The Yankees know me enough, it’s not like I’m going to hold out. I guess if I had spent all my money or whatever, it might be different. But it’s not about that, really, anymore.”

 

All I can say to that now is ********!

 

 

BS is right

 

a 37.5% paycut is BS

 

I don't think he was expecting that when he made those comments

 

I won't say it's not about the money

 

but respect has something to do with it as well

 

 

 

no big deal I disagree with Tyler Kepner

 

I think the yanks will up there offer

 

andy fits there needs better than anyone else out there

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I truly think that despite making $16 mil last year that based on his worth $10 mil is a generous offer.

 

Look at the contracts some of the free agents have had to settle for this offseason, it's clear the owners aren't as free-spending as in years past, with the state of the economy and whatnot. Does he really think he can get a better deal elsewhere? And besides, $10 mil is no small chunk of change. You give me $10 mil and I'll never work another day in my life.

[ARod2212]

$10 million is more than fair. Milton Bradley just signed for $30 million over 3, and he's coming off a monster year.

 

Pettitte's trying to play hardball, and considering how much money they've doled out this offseason, it makes sense. But he's going to be in for a rude awakening if Cashman doesn't budge.

[26 to 6]

And another thing to consider if you're Pettitte is that although reports are that the Yankees are content going into the season with Hughes as the #5, I have to think the Yanks would have to consider looking elsewhere to fill the spot that was intended for Andy. Say a Lowe, Sheets, etc. Andy might find himself without a spot if he drags this out too long.

 

Then again I suppose the possibility exists that if the Yankees do sign another starter and then Pettitte decides he wants to return that Joba could go to the pen to accomodate both Andy and whoever else would have been signed. I think that's the best case scenario. But it seems the Yankees are pretty set on letting Joba start out in the rotation.

[a700hitter]

So much for the myth of Pettitte, the good guy, family man and team player. He has already been exposed as a cheater. His coming to the Yankees proved that his going to Houston had nothing to do with being closer to home. Now, his spurning of the Yankee offer, which is very fair for a .500 pitcher with a high ERA, demonstrates that he was full of it when he said that if he didn't retire, he would only pitch for the Skanks.

[Paradisecity]

$10 million is more than fair. Milton Bradley just signed for $30 million over 3, and he's coming off a monster year.

 

Pettitte's trying to play hardball, and considering how much money they've doled out this offseason, it makes sense. But he's going to be in for a rude awakening if Cashman doesn't budge.

 

 

I didn't realize that Milton Bradley was pitching these days!

[redsoxrules]

I'd be shocked if Pettitte gets more than 10 mil a year

[riverside sluggers]

Id say he goes back to the Astros, or joins Torre with the Dodgers

[BoSox21]

Is he a hypocrite if he retires?

[BSN07]

I don't see why everyone is surprised:dunno:

 

The Yanks gave Burnett 16M+ a season. He's a career .533% pitcher.

 

Andy Peittitte made 16M last season. He was a .500% pitcher. Over the course of his career, he has been a far superior pitcher, been more durable, won more big games and They offer him 10M. Yes he is older. But also comes on a short term deal.

 

Why would he believe he is worth 10 and not the 16 they juat paid Burnett? If this is last offseason, it's a no brainer.

 

Please don't mistake this for me thinking Pettitte is worth 16M a year. It isn't. I don't think AJ is either. But the Yankees set the pitching market. And in the market they set, Pettitte is worth more then 10M.

 

 

Besides at this point of his career it's ego. Think about it, if your job came to you and said "we want you to take a pay cuy of 37%." When the just hired the boss's step son to do the same job as you, but pay him even more then you make currently. What would be your reaction?

 

Yes these guys are millionairs, but there guys. And no guy at his stage of life wanst to go backwards, would you?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I don't see why everyone is surprised:dunno:

 

The Yanks gave Burnett 16M+ a season. He's a career .533% pitcher.

 

Andy Peittitte made 16M last season. He was a .500% pitcher. Over the course of his career, he has been a far superior pitcher, been more durable, won more big games and They offer him 10M. Yes he is older. But also comes on a short term deal.

 

Why would he believe he is worth 10 and not the 16 they juat paid Burnett? If this is last offseason, it's a no brainer.

 

Please don't mistake this for me thinking Pettitte is worth 16M a year. It isn't. I don't think AJ is either. But the Yankees set the pitching market. And in the market they set, Pettitte is worth more then 10M.

 

Because you pay a guy for what you think he will do for you this season, not what he has done for the team the last 10 years.

 

Besides at this point of his career it's ego. Think about it, if your job came to you and said "we want you to take a pay cuy of 37%." When the just hired the boss's step son to do the same job as you, but pay him even more then you make currently. What would be your reaction?

 

Yes these guys are millionairs, but there guys. And no guy at his stage of life wanst to go backwards, would you?

 

I understand that reasoning about the pay cut, but baseball is a different beast. In the business world, the older you get and the more experience you have, the more value you have. You are paid for your past success and experience. This is true until you retire. Not so in baseball. You are paid based on what you are projected to do, based on your past. There comes a time when your skills decline, and your projections for the future are lowered. It's a bell curve instead of a steady increase.

 

Besides, look at all of the other veteran guys who are taking a pay cut this year. It's not like Andy is in a unique situation here. The Yankees gave him a more than fair offer based on the market this offseason.

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Id say he goes back to the Astros' date=' or joins Torre with the Dodgers[/quote']

I think Atlanta and the Rangers are also strong possibilities.

[Optimist]

Oh well. It was a fair offer and if he doesn't want it, well that's his option as a player. No team is going to offer him more than $10 million, especially if the Yankees declare they're not going to budge and are done negotiating.

[BSN07]

Because you pay a guy for what you think he will do for you this season, not what he has done for the team the last 10 years.

 

 

 

I understand that reasoning about the pay cut, but baseball is a different beast. In the business world, the older you get and the more experience you have, the more value you have. You are paid for your past success and experience. This is true until you retire. Not so in baseball. You are paid based on what you are projected to do, based on your past. There comes a time when your skills decline, and your projections for the future are lowered. It's a bell curve instead of a steady increase.

 

Besides, look at all of the other veteran guys who are taking a pay cut this year. It's not like Andy is in a unique situation here. The Yankees gave him a more than fair offer based on the market this offseason.

 

I was trying to convey what his line of thinking probably is.

[BSN07]

Sox should offer $10.5M:lol:

[diony]

Sox should offer $10.5M:lol:

 

Nah, they're going to sign Mark Prior.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I was trying to convey what his line of thinking probably is.

 

Yeah, I get the ego thing, and I'm sure it is a big part of what's going on here. I guess we will see who blinks first in the next few weeks.

[BSN07]

Nah' date=' they're going to sign Mark Prior.[/quote']

 

$:thumbsup:

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks08jan08,0,900649.story?track=rss

 

Andy is very upset with the Yankees. The Astros seem to be the top choice now

[rician blast]

Wasn't he upset with them once prior, leading up to him joining his HGH buddy Roger in Houston?

[jacksonianmarch]

He's posturing now too. Houston is not a team that is willing to offer a lot of money right now and the idea that Andy would get more than 10 mil from a team in this market is stupid. Maybe Andy is upset at the size of the offer from the yanks. But it will be the best offer he gets. And after saying all along that he wanted to throw one more yr and start off in the new stadium, he's beginning to look like a hypocrite. I dont care if we get him back. But I hope we do get a player capable of throwing 180-200IP on a short term deal. I'd call up Randy Wolf and see what he'd take on a 1 yr deal and let Andy rot.

[Cocos Disciples]

Agreed jacko, there's no way anyone else offers him 10 mil. He's not worth it at all.

[jacksonianmarch]

What I find funny is that Pettitte's agent floats the Houston idea, and the GM from Houston, Ed Wade, shoots it down that day. Where are your options now Andy?

[Cocos Disciples]

He'll be a Yankee in 2009. It will be for less for what he wanted, which is basically the story of the off-season for everyone besides the Yankee trio.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think he will as well. I just dont think he understands the way the market is going and the way his skills have declined. In no way shape or form do we expect him to be an ace. We just need him to throw 180-200IP. If he does come back, then we'd have 3 near locks to throw 200IP, then Burnett and Joba, That rotation would be kickass.

[Gom]

If I was Cashman, I would PULL the offer. I sincerely and honestly believe that Cashman took a HUGE sigh of relief when Pettitte refected the offer. Now, he has placated the bosses, and the moronic fans and media who were pining away for him to bring back Pettitte.

 

The ugly truth about Pettitte is this:

 

1) His velocity was down about 3 MPH from the year before

2) He pitched much worse in the 2nd half of the season

3) He is an injury risk

 

I contribute all of this to his involvement with PEDs. What you saw with Pettitte the last half of the season is what you're going to get.

 

Go give me Sheets for the same money [he won't go for much more], and you have the best rotation in baseball in the last 30 years.

 

Go trade Nady [Thank God, I thought I was the only one who believed he was tremendously overrated] and bring back Abreu. If you can find a team that would take Igawa off our hands, that would even out the salaries. The Brewers seem to be interested in Igawa, I'm sure they'd take a chance on him if it was a straight salary dump.

 

They do that, it's over.

[jacksonianmarch]

They are dealing away Nady and decreasing their offer to Pettitte so they can cut a bit more salary. Apparently thats the deal Hal made with Cashman when Cash went for Tex. That means no Abreu. And there isnt a spot for him.

 

I also am not sold on Sheets. Dont get me wrong, when he's healthy, the guy is the balls. But we already have 2 guys in our rotation who are lights out, when healthy in Joba and Burnett. We need more guys whose best attribute is durability. If we have 3 guys in the rotation who are locks to throw 200IP and the other two are ace type starters with health concerns then this rotation will be nasty.

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How is there no spot for Abreu? I get the money, but in terms of space on the field I don't get it. You said the same thing about Manny. Granted, we have enough outfielders, but most are bench material. If nady is gone and we don't add another outfielder our OF is Damon, Gardner/Melky, and Swisher. Give me Manny, Abreu, or even Nady and we're straight.

 

As for Pettitte, I'm tired of this already. This should not still be being dragged out. If he's gonna stay get a f***ing deal done already, if not then move one. I say we go out and sign Sheets (or Lowe if Cashman so wishes, I would prefer Sheets however) TOMORROW and then see how Pettitte reacts. I bet you he comes crying and willing to accept a reduced offer. If he doesn't, fine we still have a solid rotation. If he does, then we can move Joba to the pen and I think that maximizes our staff potential.

 

s*** just needs to be resolved already!!!

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Andy Pettitte is a year older than Derek Lowe and both have been inning eaters the past 4 seasons. Derek Lowe just rejected a 3 year 36 million offer and you guys feel Andy Pettitte rejecting 10 million for one season is unwarrented?

 

Randy Johnson is 45 years old and he just got 8 million. Jamie Moyer is even older and he makes 6.5 million.

 

How would we feel if Andy Pettitte had been playing for the Dodgers the past 4 seasons and put up Derek Lowe type ERAs because chances are he would have. Meanwhile I guarantee Derek Lowe in NY would have had a ERA above 4. Still think Andy Pettitte isn't worth say....14 million for season? Whats the difference between 10 million and 14 million anyways for the Yankees? They toss out 420+ million for 3 players and can't increase a one year offer for one of there most loyal players by say 6 million....

 

On that note I hope Pettitte does go to the Dodgers...he would put up great numbers on the West Coast with Joe Torre