Sox close to signing Penny

[jacksonianmarch]

You're quite a hypocrite then, given how you always talk about the importance of developing young talent.

 

Besides, again, for the 100th time:

 

Penny = depth........and you can never have enough depth.

 

depth to me is adding a player who is beyond the 5 man rotation. You set up your 5 man rotation then you have "depth". The sox have depth if you consider Buchholz, Bowden and Masterson as your #6, #7, and #8. But that #4 spot is gonna be Penny's and that is a risky move. Colon's signing last yr was to add depth. Adding Penny is adding a guy to your 5 man rotation.

[Cocos Disciples]

depth to me is adding a player who is beyond the 5 man rotation. You set up your 5 man rotation then you have "depth". The sox have depth if you consider Buchholz' date=' Bowden and Masterson as your #6, #7, and #8. But that #4 spot is gonna be Penny's and that is a risky move. Colon's signing last yr was to add depth. Adding Penny is adding a guy to your 5 man rotation.[/quote']

 

I think what he's saying is that adding Penny pushes everyone back, so Buchholz is no longer slotted in the rotation, and therefore is depth.

[Gom]

Penny is a low risk, high reward move. There is no downside to this move, but also the risk of no upside either.

 

Either way, your team is a little better today than it was yesterday. Congrats.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think what he's saying is that adding Penny pushes everyone back' date=' so Buchholz is no longer slotted in the rotation, and therefore is depth.[/quote']

 

I get the idea. I just dont think adding Penny and subtracting Buchholz from the rotation is much of an upward move. If Penny is still hurt, then it wont matter.

[Cocos Disciples]

I get the idea. I just dont think adding Penny and subtracting Buchholz from the rotation is much of an upward move. If Penny is still hurt' date=' then it wont matter.[/quote']

 

See my page one post, I don't really like it either.

[jacksonianmarch]

I do think we are in the same boat too, though. If we dont resign Pettitte then our depth will be tested. Actually, our "depth" will be moved into the rotation. And I just dont get how we can spend 423 mil in an offseason and still leave our 4/5 up to guys with a 150IP limit. But thats us.

 

I would have thought the sox would have gone for a more durable #4. And face it, Wake is the #5, he will always be the #5. So that leaves the sox with Penny in the 4 slot. You have Beckett as the 1. If he is healthy, he's dirty. If he isnt, then he might miss a good amount of time. Lester as the #2, a guy I think should be pretty durable. You have DiceK who drains a bullpen since he hardly goes past 6. Then you have Wake at the 5, who has an equal chance of throwing a shutout and getting knocked out after 1IP every time he takes the bump. Adding a guy who can complement Lester as a force to be counted upon every 5th day would have been nice. Instead, you get a guy who is currently injured, has a long history of injuries and even when healthy isnt that effective. I dont get it

[diony]

Not a good argument diony. The reason why we need to spend 423 million in an offseason is because we havent been as good at drafting as the sox had been. That being said' date=' we have 2 picks in the first 2 rounds this upcoming draft, so I am happy. Hal better be ready to throw some f***ing money into this draft.[/quote']

 

You can keep having good drafts and keep investing in the FA if you spend wisely. If there's a hole in a team and you can't address it from whitin the organization you sign a FA that can do the job. If it costed you a draft pick, then fine. But you needed to fill that hole.

 

The picks that the Yankees gave up for CC and Tex were WORTH it. If you're going to give up a draft pick then make it count. Which is exactly what the Yanks did this year (except for AJ's).

 

If the Yankees can do what they have been doing in recent drafts by taking 1st round talent in later round by overpaying. Like they did with Betances, Angelini, Suttle, Lassiter and others, they can still have a nice draft AND get players like CC and Tex.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

The picks that the Yankees gave up for CC and Tex were WORTH it. If you're going to give up a draft pick then make it count. Which is exactly what the Yanks did this year (except for AJ's).

 

Before they even play a game...

[Cocos Disciples]

Before they even play a game...

 

And before the draft picks are even real players.

[TheKilo]

Not super excited about this move. It's depth, and depth is nice, but this is this season's Bartolo Colon signing. Not an impact move.

[example1]

The picks that the Yankees gave up for CC and Tex were WORTH it. If you're going to give up a draft pick then make it count. Which is exactly what the Yanks did this year (except for AJ's).

 

For CC and Tex I think you are right. For D-Lowe or Sheets or Varitek I don't necessarily agree. That's why those decisions matter.

[TheKilo]

http://blogs.weei.com/robbradford/2008/12/28/penny-confirms-deal/

 

Penny confirms.

 

Brad Penny confirmed to WEEI.com that he has reached a preliminary agreement with the Red Sox on a one-year deal with a base salary of $5 million, which was first reported by FoxSports.com. The contract has the potential to reach a total of $8 million for the year with incentives.

[example1]

http://blogs.weei.com/robbradford/2008/12/28/penny-confirms-deal/

 

Penny confirms.

 

5m plus incentives? I'd say that's a good deal.

 

I think he's a better bet than Colon was, with the possibility of actually pitching from early on in the season... somewhat better than Colon and Wade Miller.

[BoSox21]

f*** the FO

 

its a shame we're such a small-market team and cant afford Ben Sheets

[example1]

f*** the FO

 

its a shame we're such a small-market team and cant afford Ben Sheets

 

You're right. It would really suck if we drafted an Ellsbury, Masterson, Pedroia, Youkilis, Delcarman, Papelbon, Buchholz, Bowden or Lowrie with the draft picks we saved by signing Penny instead of Sheets. I'm in complete agreement and think that your reactionary way of thinking is just perfect to show this FO how wrong they have been. They clearly don't know how to run an organization or get a team to the playoffs. I HATED celebrating in 04 and 07 when they won, and I really disliked my experience of watching the team get deep into the playoffs in 03 and 08 when they were one game from the World Series while every other team, and their AMAZING FO's were watching on TV.

[diony]

You're right. It would really suck if we drafted an Ellsbury' date=' Masterson, Pedroia, Youkilis, Delcarman, Papelbon, Buchholz, Bowden or Lowrie with the draft picks we saved by signing Penny instead of Sheets. [/b'] I'm in complete agreement and think that your reactionary way of thinking is just perfect to show this FO how wrong they have been. They clearly don't know how to run an organization or get a team to the playoffs. I HATED celebrating in 04 and 07 when they won, and I really disliked my experience of watching the team get deep into the playoffs in 03 and 08 when they were one game from the World Series while every other team, and their AMAZING FO's were watching on TV.

 

They didn't seemed to care when they signed Type A Julio Lugo.

[jacksonianmarch]

I seriously thought the sox were going for Sheets. Imagine if that guy were healthy. The sox front four would be filthy. But he will get 3 yrs from someone

[example1]

They didn't seemed to care when they signed Type A Julio Lugo.

 

I bet they did care but they needed a SS.

 

Do you think they DON'T care about losing a draft pick? If so then you're dumb.

[diony]

I bet they did care but they needed a SS.

 

Do you think they DON'T care about losing a draft pick? If so then you're dumb.

 

And now they need a good starter. Just because Penny doesn't cost a draft pick doesn't means he's the better option.

[ORS]

They didn't seemed to care when they signed Type A Julio Lugo.

And that pick could have been Rick Porcello. Don't think they didn't notice.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

And now they need a good starter. Just because Penny doesn't cost them a draft doesn't means he's the better option.

WTF

 

 

Sheets and Penny present roughly the same situation. Only difference is, Sheets would have commanded a lot more money (and as a result, risk), and his type A status robs us of a draft pick.

 

 

Lugo was a stupid signing in winter 06, but the team needed a shortstop in the worst way.

[Dipre]

You forget he's a Yankee Homer.

 

Everything the Sox do is wrong by his standards.

[jacksonianmarch]

WTF

 

 

Sheets and Penny present roughly the same situation. Only difference is, Sheets would have commanded a lot more money (and as a result, risk), and his type A status robs us of a draft pick.

 

 

Lugo was a stupid signing in winter 06, but the team needed a shortstop in the worst way.

 

Sheets is by far the better pitcher. The only thing Penny and Sheets share is risk. The reward for Sheets is MUCH higher

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah, not even close between Sheets and Penny.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Sheets is by far the better pitcher. The only thing Penny and Sheets share is risk. The reward for Sheets is MUCH higher

 

Regardless, Penny can produce. The Sox FO made the smart decision in not pissing away a lot more money on a multiyear contract and not throwing a 1st round pick in the trash.

 

Sheets = high risk, high reward

Penny = low risk, lower reward

[jacksonianmarch]

I can agree with that. The thing I am warning you about is..

 

A- Penny is coming off a shoulder injury

B- he is coming off his worst career season

C- he has actually had worsening peripherals since he went to LA

D- even at his best, he isnt that great and moving him to the ALE will only magnify that

 

I truly think this might be another Wade Miller sighting and not having a proven contingency plan can hurt them. Now, if their contingency plan is Buchholz all along, or Masterson or Bowden, then so be it. But I think they want to give Masterson a shot at setting up and the 2 B's a shot at stretching out their arms a bit in AAA.

[a700hitter]

Regardless, Penny can produce. The Sox FO made the smart decision in not pissing away a lot more money on a multiyear contract and not throwing a 1st round pick in the trash.

 

Sheets = high risk, high reward

Penny = low risk, lower reward

It may be a low financial risk, but it is not a low performance risk. He is at a high risk of stinking. By going with Penny they have decided to not go with the FA option of a healthy reliable D. Lowe or other healthy pitchers through trades. It is not low risk. It is low cost. There is a huge difference. jason Johnson was supposedly low risk in 2006, but he helped blow up the rotation that year taking 7 starts and winning none.

[diony]

You forget he's a Yankee Homer.

 

Everything the Sox do is wrong by his standards.

 

No, I'm Simpson, Homer.

 

http://humorzen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/simpson2.jpg

 

You sir, are a douche.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

No, I'm Simpson, Homer.

 

http://humorzen.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/simpson2.jpg

 

You sir, are a douche.

 

Wrong on both counts.

 

 

DipreG, sir, is a good reasonable guy who even has a law degree. So he knows his s***.

 

 

You, on the other hand, are just a retarded troll.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

It may be a low financial risk' date=' but it is not a low performance risk. He is at a high risk of stinking. By going with Penny they have decided to not go with the FA option of a healthy reliable D. Lowe or other healthy pitchers through trades. It is not low risk. It is low cost. There is a huge difference. jason Johnson was supposedly low risk in 2006, but he helped blow up the rotation that year taking 7 starts and winning none.[/quote']

 

There was no reward to Jason Johnson, he was a piece of s***. He always was.

 

 

Penny's a good pitcher when he's right.