Peavy

[kreinbihl34]

The price seems to be a couple of pitches and a CF.

Do we stick our heads in and see what's happening.

A Bard/Clay with Jacoby?

Any other ideas?

[TheKilo]

Nah, he's got awful road splits and moving to the ALE would be a bad transition.

[kreinbihl34]

Fair enough, though I thought it would be an interesting trade. Considering if he actually joined the Sox he would be, most likely, the fourth starter. That gives the fifth to Masterson/Wake/MiLB.

[Paradisecity]

It seems like a pretty stupid move by the Padres. This is an offseason deep in free agent pitching, and Peavy is signed for 5 more years. They'd be better off getting some innings out of him and waiting for a year (or midyear) that has a dearth of pitchers and multiple teams looking for a thrower.

[kreinbihl34]

Risky though even if the guy has been a 180 innings pitcher. If something terrible goes wrong, it's all shot. I agree that they should wait.

 

The only think that worries me is the Yankees having some pieces to fill out the trade. It just depends if they want to take a few questionable pitches.

[TheKilo]

The Yankees are far more likely to break the bank for a Sabathia, Burnett, or Sheets because all it would cost them is money.

[kreinbihl34]

Idk it just seems that the Yankees are going to be going all in this year. Including signing, trades, releases... whatever. This off-season is going to further bloat the market. It's pitiful how it is now.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I think either the Rangers or Cardinals end up with him. Rangers have plenty of hitting prospects that the Padres could use, and need a quality pitcher any way they can get one. The Cardinals would probably want another big time pitcher to go with Wainwright and Lohse, since Mulder is likely done for his career and Carpenter's in rough shape lately (not sure on his status for next season).

 

 

I could also see Cleveland getting involved. Their bats will come back healthy next year, and if they could pair Peavy with Cliff Lee, that's a good enough rotation to almost ensure a playoff berth, with the hitters they have.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

The price seems to be a couple of pitches and a CF.

 

I'm not sure that's set in stone. We'll see though.

[Gom]

I would have broken the bank for Santana or CC, not Peavy. I think he's good, not great. I'd rather blow my wad for free agents...let someone in the NL overpay in prospects. I'd rather use cold hard cash.

 

The advantage on the other side is that if you get Peavy, at below market value, you can overspend for Tex and Manny and still stay below 180 mil.

[Gom]

The price seems to be a couple of pitches and a CF.

Do we stick our heads in and see what's happening.

A Bard/Clay with Jacoby?

Any other ideas?

You are smoking crack.

 

That's like us offering Melky and Kennedy. Not a single player there has any real value.

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah, I'm not really that excited about Peavy. I mean I think he's really good, but we'd have to overpay, and his numbers would decline in the East.

[kreinbihl34]

You are smoking crack.

 

That's like us offering Melky and Kennedy. Not a single player there has any real value.

 

I think Clay is held in much higher standards that Ian Kennedy. Kennedy was projected to be a 4th/5th starter, Clay more on the lines of a 2nd, possibly even 1st. Also I think you have seen Melky peek. He might repeat his 07 stats more frequently, but will not significantly increase anything. Jacoby has the tools to be a .300 B.A./ .370 OBS/ 50 SB while playing Gold Glove CF. Also think of Petco park and it's huge outfield, I'm sure Jacoby could leg out a few doubles into triples.

[Gom]

I think Clay is held in much higher standards that Ian Kennedy. Kennedy was projected to be a 4th/5th starter' date=' Clay more on the lines of a 2nd, possibly even 1st. Also I think you have seen Melky peek. He might repeat his 07 stats more frequently, but will not significantly increase anything. Jacoby has the tools to be a .300 B.A./ .370 OBS/ 50 SB while playing Gold Glove CF. Also think of Petco park and it's huge outfield, I'm sure Jacoby could leg out a few doubles into triples.[/quote']

 

You're talking about getting one of the best pitchers in baseball for spare parts. Stop believing the hype about your own players who suck, unless you want to start being a clueless Yankee fan.

[ORS]

I could also see Cleveland getting involved. Their bats will come back healthy next year' date=' and if they could pair Peavy with Cliff Lee, that's a good enough rotation to almost ensure a playoff berth, with the hitters they have.[/quote']

I don't see it. Shapiro's reported offer to extend Sabathia was in this price range. I can't believe he's willing to go that high for what is likely a downgrade. Plus, they'll get Westbrook back next year. Plus, Miller should be ready to contribute at some point next year. Given the finances, I'd be shocked if this happened.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The price seems to be a couple of pitches and a CF.

Do we stick our heads in and see what's happening.

A Bard/Clay with Jacoby?

Any other ideas?

 

Too expensive for the Red Sox.

 

We would be giving the Padres one of the best base stealers in the league, there replacement at closer for Trevor Hoffman, and Buchholz would eventually own in Petco. Think about what Cla Meredith has become in San Diego and then remember he doesn't come close to the talent level of Bard or Buchholz.

 

Jake Peavy is a good pitcher and I'd love to get him but I'd rather give up money for Sabathia, Sheets, or Burnett rather than young talent.

[BSN07]

3 way deal anyone?

 

Tex- Peavy

SD- Byrd/Bowden/Bard

Bos-Salty

[riverside sluggers]

Paul Byrd is a free agent this offseason I believe

[BSN07]

LOL not Paul Byrd, Marlon Byrd. That would be the CF SD is looking to get. Or put Crisp in his place and have Tex throw some prospects SD way.

[TheKilo]

You're talking about getting one of the best pitchers in baseball for spare parts. Stop believing the hype about your own players who suck' date=' unless you want to start being a clueless Yankee fan.[/quote']

 

One of the best pitchers in baseball in one of the most pitcher friendly parks in the league.

 

I'll pass.

[a700hitter]

The only reason that I wouldn't do the deal is the uncertainty regarding Peavy's elbow. Otherwise, I'd do the deal in a heartbeat. Peavy is a strikeout pitcher. Take away a maximum of 25% of his K's as being against pitchers and he is still a strikeout pitcher. Strikeout pitchers are not as affected by a move from a pitcher friendly park. Peavy is an All Star starting pitcher and he is young. I do the deal in a minute. I would have done the Santana for Ellsbury deal. Starters like this are the rarest of commodities, and starting pitchers are the most important building block for a team.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

According to the Boston Herald, the Red Sox will make a run at dealing for Jake Peavy this offseason.

 

The asking price is going to be monstrous, but Boston certainly has enough young arms to swing a deal. Peavy, 27, has said he prefers the National League, though industry sources believe he won't veto a deal to an AL power. The Padres are believed to be asking for two pitchers and a position player. Oct. 19 - 10:49 am et

Source: Boston Herald

 

Doesn't mean anything...just something I found on rotoworld

[Cocos Disciples]

2 pitchers and a positional player. Are they going to ask for Buchholz, Bowden and Ellsbury? Not feeling so hot on that.

[a700hitter]

2 pitchers and a positional player. Are they going to ask for Buchholz' date=' Bowden and Ellsbury? Not feeling so hot on that.[/quote']Negotiate down to Bowden and Ellsbury.

[riverside sluggers]

Boston Herald article has the prospects being

 

2 of Masterson, Buchholz, Bowden

&

Lars Anderson, Josh Reddick or Ryan Kalish

 

Anderson should no doubt be untouchable. I see him as a Justin Morneau in the making

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah I love Lars. I'm torn between Buchholz and Masterson. Buchholz has the higher ceiling but Masterson has already done it in the majors this year.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'd almost rather move some of those players for a legit catcher with a high ceiling (if there are any).

[BSN07]

I'd almost rather move some of those players for a legit catcher with a high ceiling (if there are any).

 

Salty, Clement, not too sure after that. Lottraras hit 20HR this season. Maybe he is finally starting to come around.

 

If theres no trade, I say offer Tek arb. Get him for next season, and have Kottraras splitting time. Give Tek Beckett, Lester and Buchholz, and let Kott have Matsuzaka, plus whoever else is in the rotation.

 

What would the Sox have to give up for Clement or Salty? Hypothetically....

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Yeah I love Lars. I'm torn between Buchholz and Masterson. Buchholz has the higher ceiling but Masterson has already done it in the majors this year.

I say we trade Masterson, keep Buchholz. Clay has unbelievable stuff, and he's still very early in his career. He sucked this season, but a lot of good pitchers in the game had a rocky first or second year.

 

 

As for the position player, I've never heard of Reddick... so I guess the Padres can have him.

[Cocos Disciples]

I say we trade Masterson, keep Buchholz. Clay has unbelievable stuff, and he's still very early in his career. He sucked this season, but a lot of good pitchers in the game had a rocky first or second year.

 

 

As for the position player, I've never heard of Reddick... so I guess the Padres can have him.

 

I'd rather deal Kalish. Reddick is our #3 prospect, Kalish is #11 according to SoxProspects. Reddick's also a lot closer to the bigs.