Peavy

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The Braves are still the most likely suitor and Buster Olney claims that progress is being made and expects a deal by Thanksgiving. He says the Braves would send Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez and one of Jo Jo Reyes or Charlie Morton. He says the Cubs are getting involved too.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3695551&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

 

If I'm the Padres, I ask for Escobar and Tommy Hanson. Atlanta probably doesn't accept though. Also, if SD gets Escobar that increases the possibility for a Khalil Greene deal somewhere.

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The Braves are still the most likely suitor and Buster Olney claims that progress is being made and expects a deal by Thanksgiving. He says the Braves would send Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez and one of Jo Jo Reyes or Charlie Morton. He says the Cubs are getting involved too.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3695551&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

 

Wow. I'd do that in a heartbeat if I was Atlanta. They need to at least do something. The Braves have been terrible over the past 3 years. Giving up Escobar would be tough but I'd definitely still do it.

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Anyone know how high Atlanta is on Morton? I don't know much about him, but he wasn't very good in his rookie year.

[CrespoBlows]

Charlie Morton sucks. If he's holding up the deal, the Braves need to forfeit.

 

The guy has a one season in the minors with a WHIP less than 1.47.

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/11665079

 

The Padres are preparing to ask Peavy to waive his no trade clause to Atlanta. Its looking like a deal of Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez, Charlie Morton or Jo-Jo Reyes, and Blaine Boyer or a pitching prospect

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Wow. I'd do that in a heartbeat if I was Atlanta. They need to at least do something. The Braves have been terrible over the past 3 years. Giving up Escobar would be tough but I'd definitely still do it.

Its a waste of time by Atlanta. They're still 3 or 4 years away from being any good, barring a couple of other big trades/signings (aside from Peavy).

 

 

But, at least the Yankees don't get him.

[ORS]

They aren't 3 or 4 years from being any good. They are a frontline starter and a power bat away from being a contender in their division. Once you get in, it's anybody's game in October. The move for Peavy fits a need rather well.

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Hell, it only took them a short time to get awful, they can flip that around quickly too.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

If they were in the NL West, I'd agree with you guys. But they're in the NL East, and as it stands right now, their roster is just bad. They don't have the pieces to do anything meaningful after they (hypothetically) acquire Peavy. Not to mention that three other teams in the division, Florida, Philly, and the Mets, are far better than Atlanta. f***, if Washington lands Teixiera, they could rise above Atlanta. They're no good, maybe if they have a good couple of drafts in the next two years they can turn those players into more immediate success. Their only hope at this point.

 

 

 

In other news, talks of a Peavy to Atlanta deal being imminent seem to be kind of premature:

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8790286/Source:-Padres-'not-close-with-anyone'-on-Peavy

[Dipre]

If they were in the NL West, I'd agree with you guys. But they're in the NL East, and as it stands right now, their roster is just bad. They don't have the pieces to do anything meaningful after they (hypothetically) acquire Peavy. Not to mention that three other teams in the division, Florida, Philly, and the Mets, are far better than Atlanta. f***, if Washington lands Teixiera, they could rise above Atlanta. They're no good, maybe if they have a good couple of drafts in the next two years they can turn those players into more immediate success. Their only hope at this point.

 

 

 

In other news, talks of a Peavy to Atlanta deal being imminent seem to be kind of premature:

 

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8790286/Source:-Padres-'not-close-with-anyone'-on-Peavy

 

Braves + Jake Peavy + Power bat + 2 decent relievers= contender, sir.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Braves + Jake Peavy + Power bat + 2 decent relievers= contender' date=' sir.[/quote']

But when you throw 'NL East' into that equation, it becomes a multiplication problem and 'NL East' is equivalent to zero. /clever yet unfunny joke

 

 

Anyway, that's quite a shopping list. I'm wondering how they plan to acquire a big bat after getting Peavy (hypothetical).

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I could see them nabbing an Ibanez or Burrell for LF.

[Dipre]

I could see them nabbing an Ibanez or Burrell for LF.

 

And you add Doug Brocail and Joel Beimel for the bullpen, and you've got a pretty decent team right there.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I could see them nabbing an Ibanez or Burrell for LF.

A s***** team does not acquire Ibanez or Burrell and suddenly become good. If you were to mention Prince Fielder, he would have a lot more of an impact on that team.

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Just for fun, here's my Braves outlook with Peavy:

C-Brian McCann

1B-Casey Kotchman

2B-Kelly Johnson

SS-Open

3B-Chipper Jones

LF-Open (Diaz, Blanco, Acquisition are all possibilities)

CF-Josh Anderson

RF-Jeff Francoeur

 

SP1-Jake Peavy

SP2-Open-I would expect them to get another SP here.

SP3-Jorge Campillo

SP4-Jair Jurrjens

SP5-Jo-Jo Reyes/Charlie Morton (if either stays)

 

So if they get Peavy, I would still expect another starting pitcher of #2-3 quality. I also expect them to sign a LF. Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell and Raul Ibanez all come to mind. I've also heard of them having interest in Rafael Furcal (again) if they do in fact trade Yunel Escobar.

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A s***** team does not acquire Ibanez or Burrell and suddenly become good. If you were to mention Prince Fielder' date=' he would have a lot more of an impact on that team.[/quote']

 

Not without other moves, no. They probably won't contend this year anyway, but they're not the Orioles here.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Just for fun, here's my Braves outlook with Peavy:

C-Brian McCann

1B-Casey Kotchman

2B-Kelly Johnson

SS-Open

3B-Chipper Jones

LF-Open (Diaz, Blanco, Acquisition are all possibilities)

CF-Josh Anderson

RF-Jeff Francoeur

 

SP1-Jake Peavy

SP2-Open-I would expect them to get another SP here.

SP3-Jorge Campillo

SP4-Jair Jurrjens

SP5-Jo-Jo Reyes/Charlie Morton (if either stays)

 

So if they get Peavy, I would still expect another starting pitcher of #2-3 quality. I also expect them to sign a LF. Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell and Raul Ibanez all come to mind. I've also heard of them having interest in Rafael Furcal (again) if they do in fact trade Yunel Escobar.

That rotation, even with Peavy, is putrid. I can't see them luring an ace to town, they'll have to settle for some mid-level guy like Paul Byrd.

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Yeah, after Peavy I don't see them getting another top notch guy, but maybe whoever the Rays discard (Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson), or Brian Bannister or Ian Snell type guy. Jorge Campillo had a solid rookie season, and Jair Jurrjens had an okay year. Again, they're not for this year also because of the Phillies and Mets, but I don't think getting Peavy is a fool's mission.

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http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/11/14/braves_peavy_trade.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21

 

Braves apparently out of the Peavy race.

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That rotation' date=' even with Peavy, is putrid. I can't see them luring an ace to town, they'll have to settle for some mid-level guy like Paul Byrd.[/quote']

Why, cause you says so?

 

It may be immaterial at this point since it looks like Peavy isn't headed to ATL, but your assessment of that rotation is heavy on hyperbole and light on analysis. Jurrjens as a #3 is better than any other 3rd starter in that division. Even before the news about Peavy broke, they went on record stating they were going after Dempster, Burnett, or Lowe. Money talks, and this looks like a year Atlanta will be spending it. Smoltz starts his rehab throwing program in December and if he's able to throw should be ready by the beginning of the season. Either a signing or Smoltz would be the #2. If they are in contention, which I think they be, Hudson is due back in August.

 

Again, I realize this isn't happening now, but if the rotation could feature Peavy, one of Smoltz/Dempster/Lowe/Burnett, Jurrjens, and Hudson heading into October, it can contend. Add one power bat to that lineup, and there's plenty of offense to support it.

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Right, I forgot about the possibility that Smoltz and/or Hudson could still pitch. If they can put in some innings I wouldn't call their rotation putrid, though right now Peavy is looking like a pipe dream.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Why, cause you says so?

 

It may be immaterial at this point since it looks like Peavy isn't headed to ATL, but your assessment of that rotation is heavy on hyperbole and light on analysis. Jurrjens as a #3 is better than any other 3rd starter in that division. Even before the news about Peavy broke, they went on record stating they were going after Dempster, Burnett, or Lowe. Money talks, and this looks like a year Atlanta will be spending it. Smoltz starts his rehab throwing program in December and if he's able to throw should be ready by the beginning of the season. Either a signing or Smoltz would be the #2. If they are in contention, which I think they be, Hudson is due back in August.

 

So the Braves are supposed to survive in a stacked division with a rotation of Jair Jurrjens (quality pitcher, granted), Jorge Campillo (30-year old who was a plan B starter last year and happened to tread water, never saw any consistent MLB action prior), John Smoltz (pretty good, but very old while coming off a severe injury), and.... what? You said it, no Tim Hudson until August. Jo-Jo Reyes sucks, Charlie Morton sucks, Chuck James sucks, two of them have a pretty realistic shot of landing in next season's rotation, how do you expect Atlanta to be anywhere near contention in a loaded NL East with only three decent pitchers in their rotation (four or five is the normal prerequisite for a team with playoff hopes) for the bulk of the year?

 

 

Again, I realize this isn't happening now, but if the rotation could feature Peavy, one of Smoltz/Dempster/Lowe/Burnett, Jurrjens, and Hudson heading into October, it can contend. Add one power bat to that lineup, and there's plenty of offense to support it.

 

That rotation could contend. Too bad it will never have the oppurtunity. Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angels, Dodgers, Phillies. Those are some of the teams that will be chasing the likes of Dempster/Lowe/Burnett this winter. Tell me how the Braves to convince their potential signees to forgo places like those in order to sign in Atlanta? I guess they could overpay, but overpaying for the likes of Derek Lowe never works out too well, does it?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Right' date=' I forgot about the possibility that Smoltz and/or Hudson could still pitch. If they can put in some innings I wouldn't call their rotation putrid, though right now Peavy is looking like a pipe dream.[/quote']

Up until August

 

 

Jair Jurrjens

John Smoltz (possibly, he's older than s*** and he's coming off a major injury)

Jorge Campillo

garbage

garbage

 

 

 

Have fun beating out the Phillies, Mets, and Marlins. Better hope the Nats don't get Teixeira.

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Up until August

 

 

Jair Jurrjens

John Smoltz (possibly, he's older than s*** and he's coming off a major injury)

Jorge Campillo

garbage

garbage

 

 

 

Have fun beating out the Phillies, Mets, and Marlins. Better hope the Nats don't get Teixeira.

 

Okay, but when we were discussing this, Peavy was likely. They'll still get at least another quality starter, probably two.

[Dipre]

Atlanta + Peavy+ Decent SP+ Power Bat+ 2 Decent relievers= Contender.

 

The Nl East is not that stacked.

 

The Phillies are solid, but every other team is filled with hols.

 

Mets: Pitching of any sort.

 

Marlins: Defense, Back of the rotation.

 

Nationals: Everything.

 

So if the above happened with Atlanta, if Philly doesn't run away with it early, and they're hanging around until they can get Smoltz and Hudson healthy, they have a pretty realistic shot.

 

But then again, all of the above has to happen.

[ORS]

So the Braves are supposed to survive in a stacked division with a rotation of Jair Jurrjens (quality pitcher' date=' granted), Jorge Campillo (30-year old who was a plan B starter last year and happened to tread water, never saw any consistent MLB action prior), John Smoltz (pretty good, but very old while coming off a severe injury), and.... what? You said it, no Tim Hudson until August. Jo-Jo Reyes sucks, Charlie Morton sucks, Chuck James sucks, two of them have a pretty realistic shot of landing in next season's rotation, how do you expect Atlanta to be anywhere near contention in a loaded NL East with only three decent pitchers in their rotation (four or five is the normal prerequisite for a team with playoff hopes) for the bulk of the year? [/quote']

I admit, that rotation is not impressive w/o Peavy, but as CD mentioned, the hypothetical was with Peavy in their rotation, which you called putrid even if they got him. Morton doesn't suck, not yet. He's TBD. Last year he was a 24 y/o rookie getting his first taste after putting up very solid numbers in AAA. And their farm features one of the best pitchers at the AA level last year. If needed, Tommy Hanson could be pitching in Atlanta before the break next year.

 

This could have been who was throwing by June...

 

Peavy

Smoltz/Burnett/Lowe/Dempster

Jurrjens

Morton

Hanson

 

with Hudson rehabbing for a stretch run. Not putrid.

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Don't forget Campillo, he was good this year.