The Hank Steinbrenner Whining Thread

[rician blast]

Well, Hank is at it again, crying the blues and complaining...so I thought that perhaps Hank has earned himself a thread of his own here for the purposes of tracking his ridiculous whining.

 

The latest (from sportline.com):

 

 

On Revenue Sharing:

 

"That's a system I don't particularly like. It's a socialist system, and I don't agree with it. Does it work? It depends on your point of view. But is it right? Is it even American? I'd argue no on both of those points."

 

Authot's comment: So the Yankees are out of the playoffs because of socialism. Check.

 

On the Divisional Setup in baseball

 

"The biggest problem is the divisional setup in Major League Baseball. I didn't like it in the 1970s, and I hate it now. Baseball went to a multidivisional setup to create more races, rivalries and excitement. But it isn't fair. You see it this season, with plenty of people in the media pointing out that Joe Torre and the Dodgers are going to the playoffs while we're not. This is by no means a knock on Torre -- let me make that clear -- but look at the division they're in. If L.A. were in the A.L. East, it wouldn't be in the playoff discussion. The A.L. East is never weak."

 

I guess he'd prefer to go back to the pre-divisional days, where the Yanks outspend every team in the A.L. and then, by winning the regular season pennant, move directly on to the WS? Being stuck on 26 looks to be hard to accept.

 

On the Playoffs

 

"Go back to the 2006 season. St. Louis winning the World Series -- that was ridiculous. The Cardinals won their division with 83 wins -- two fewer than the Phillies, who missed the postseason. People will say the Cardinals were the best team because they won the World Series. Well, no, they weren't. They just got hot at the right time. They didn't even belong in the playoffs. And neither does a team from the N.L. West this season."

 

Ah, Fredo...thanks for the fodder.

[TheKilo]

So when the Yankees won 87 games in 2000 and still won the WS, that was cool, right Hank?

[jacksonianmarch]

To be fair to the 2000 yankees, they had a 9 game lead by mid September and put the rest in the tank. At that point, they were 25 games over .500. In the span from Sept 13 to the end of the yr, we went 3-15 while resting a bunch of our guys cause the division was won. Just to extrapolate, lets assume Torre had a race on his hands and the yankees went just .500 the rest of the way, they would have won 95 games

[TheKilo]

Blah blah blah

 

YOU ARE WHO YOUR RECORD SAYS YOU ARE

[jacksonianmarch]

I gave you a perfectly good reason why we only won 87 games in 2000. If the sox didnt suck dick that yr, maybe we would have won 95 games. But we didnt need to.

[BoSox21]

by Hank's logic, we should get rid of the playoff system completely and just give the championship to whoever finishes the season with the best record

[jacksonianmarch]

BTW, I am not defending Hanks point. I like divisional races. I dont know what the best thing would be. I love the wild card, since some teams just are stacked against because of their division. Someone actually had an idea that I liked last yr. Move back to 2 divisions, give out 4 wild cards and have the WC's play a 3 game series for the right to play the division winners. It wont happen as baseball is the most conservative sport. But it would be nice. The more races the better.

[ARod2212]

BTW' date=' I am not defending Hanks point. I like divisional races. I dont know what the best thing would be. I love the wild card, since some teams just are stacked against because of their division. Someone actually had an idea that I liked last yr. Move back to 2 divisions, give out 4 wild cards and have the WC's play a 3 game series for the right to play the division winners. It wont happen as baseball is the most conservative sport. But it would be nice. The more races the better.[/quote']

Word, that's pretty cool.

 

And yes, 2000 is flawed logic. It was wrapped up, they didn't play hard. When the playoffs came around they turned it on again.

[ORS]

To be fair to the 2000 yankees' date=' they had a 9 game lead by mid September and put the rest in the tank. At that point, they were 25 games over .500. In the span from Sept 13 to the end of the yr, we went 3-15 while resting a bunch of our guys cause the division was won. Just to extrapolate, lets assume Torre had a race on his hands and the yankees went just .500 the rest of the way, they would have won 95 games[/quote']

So, that doesn't get them into the playoffs. Not if you apply what Hank is saying, that the ALDS is unfair. To get rid of the ALDS, you have to go back to the pennant winner being the team with the best regular season record. The White Sox won 95 games, and they did that while actually shutting it down over the last 8 games, going 2-6, once they clinched with a 9 game lead on Sept 24.

 

According to you, the Yankees shut it down with 18 games to play despite only having a 9 game lead in the division and 7.5 game lead in the wild card. I suggest that's a load of BS. They had the regular lineup and regular starter going up until the second game of the Tampa series. Then they clinched and the scrub pitchers came out and position players got extra rest.

 

Oh, and the Yankees would have won 93 if they went .500 (9-9) over the final 18. You know, they won 87, they went 3-15, if they go 9-9 that's 6 better, 87+6=93. Even further out of Hank's ideal playoffs.

 

Kilo's point remains a good one.

[BoSox21]

"There is one very important point here," Steinbrenner told The Post during an exclusive half-hour session. "The most important thing to remember is this: If you didn't get it from me or my brother [Hal], it doesn't mean [anything]. I don't care about some piss-ant employee. If you don't get it from me or Hal, it's meaningless. I have a lot of things [in Tampa] and Hal is in New York, which is good."

 

Asked if he has taken a step back, Steinbrenner emphatically said, "No."

 

Since The Boss turned over the day-to-day operations to his sons, Hank has one regret.

 

"I should have pushed harder for the [Johan] Santana deal," said Hank, who was talked out of signing Santana by Hal and GM Brian Cashman because they believed the Yankees' talent (Phil Hughes Phil Hughes , Ian Kennedy Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera) and the money (Santana signed a six-year, $137.5 million extension with the Mets) was too costly.

 

"My dad wanted to do that," Hank said. "But that doesn't mean we would have won if we got into the playoffs, because [Chien-Ming] Wang was hurt."

 

- New York Post

 

haha, he's such an *******

[RedSoxRooter]

LOL. What a douche.

[Gom]

What did he really say wrong? That injuries killed this Yankee season as well as the non-move for Santana?

 

I'm not a blanket Yankee defender, but I don't see what he said wrong there?

[TheKilo]

lol @ piss-ant employees

[jacksonianmarch]

He could be the biggest ******* on the planet, I do not care. I do hope he is true to his word. If he is, then his recent comments about fixing the problem and diving into the FA market should mean big acquisitions.

[Gom]

He could be the biggest ******* on the planet' date=' I do not care. I do hope he is true to his word. If he is, then his recent comments about fixing the problem and diving into the FA market should mean big acquisitions.[/quote']

Funny how you've changed your tune, my friend. Aren't you worried about the draft picks? :thumbsup:

 

This is what we should have done all along, Jacko. We just wasted a season of Mo, Derek, Arod, Moose...etc. Let's not forget the best pitcher out of the group is Santana, the one we let go to the Mets.

 

All for listening to a failed GM. One who is going to now have to do what he has been historically terrible at doing: acquire free agent starting pitching.

 

May the baseball gods help us.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gom, again, you dont see the big picture. Take a look at the red sox for a second. Look at the home grown talent on that roster. The point is to supplement when needed and never give up the entire farm. Well, we have a first and second round pick protected in this draft. With Abreu likely moving on, we should have 4 picks by the end of round 2 that will be protected. This means that the two picks we could lose (our original 1st and 2nd) will be expendable.

 

This also means that we have the shot at players who will cost only draft picks. Santana would have cost us 4 minor league players, 2 draft picks and 150 mil. Sabathia should cost us the 150 mil and if you consider the picks lost or "insured" with the other picks, then it isnt as big of a loss, see the point. Also, I have always said that this off season was the one to get to. We're here now. Time to make a splash.

[Gom]

Why would Santana have cost us picks? We would have got him in a trade. So he would have cost us exactly:

 

Hilligoss

Marquez

Melky Cabrera

Ian Kennedy

 

To tell you the truth...I would trade all four for two 1st/2nd round picks in the draft. We'll probably end up losing more value by signing these free agents then the players we would have traded away.

 

I see the big picture Jacko. I just don't agree with a) the guy running it. that we weren't in the right place to make the move. We won 89 games. How much of a difference would Santana have made? Considering the wear and tear on the pen and the absolute terrible pitching by our back end, I'd say probably 5-7 games. We would have been right there at the end with the Red Sox.

 

I see what the Sox are doing. They have a front office that can evaluate talent. We don't. You love this kid Melancon. Well, take a look at Masterson and Lowrie. How come their players make it to the bigs and contribute in two years, and ours are "superstars" in AA? You say it takes three years to evaluate a draft. It seems like the Red Sox bring them up in two years. I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from.

 

Right idea. Wrong time. Wrong man.

 

Keep in mind, we only have those extra picks because he couldn't sign the ones from this year. It's not like a bonus. This draft was an utter disaster.

[ORS]

I think Melancon was another Cashman TJ Special. Straight from the draft war room to the operating table.

[jacksonianmarch]

He was. And he is our #1-#3 prospect depending on who you ask. To this point, all of the TJ guys have come through the surgery without a loss of stuff. Thats all you can ask for. The sharpness and the control is something they would have to improve upon anyway

[Gom]

He was. And he is our #1-#3 prospect depending on who you ask. To this point' date=' all of the TJ guys have come through the surgery without a loss of stuff. Thats all you can ask for. The sharpness and the control is something they would have to improve upon anyway[/quote']

 

Actually, I'd be asking for contributions at the big league level like the players the Red Sox took in the same draft. Just me, though.

[soxfan17881]

I gave you a perfectly good reason why we only won 87 games in 2000. If the sox didnt suck dick that yr' date=' maybe we would have won 95 games. But we didnt need to.[/quote']

 

So let me get this straight... The 2000 Yankees didn't win as many games because their competition sucked.

 

Hilarious.

[jacksonianmarch]

they tanked the end of the yr by resting their guys because their lead was so big. If they truly went for it, they would have won more games. This isnt f***ing calculus here.

[a700hitter]

they tanked the end of the yr by resting their guys because their lead was so big. If they truly went for it' date=' they would have won more games. This isnt f***ing calculus here.[/quote']So David Cone was deliberately losing all those games down the stretch, and the Yankees eased up on the pedal to lose 14 of their last 17 games? I remember their pitchers taking their regular turns in that period, and there regular position players played every day too.

[ARod2212]

So David Cone was deliberately losing all those games down the stretch' date=' and the Yankees eased up on the pedal to lose 14 of their last 17 games? I remeber their pitchers taking their regular turns in that period, and there regular position players played every day too.[/quote']

No they magically remembered how to play, just in time for the playoffs. Man were they lucky.