Yanks acquire Nady, Marte from Bucs for 4 prospects .

[NateGrey]

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NEW YORK -- According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Yankees have acquired outfielder Xavier Nady and reliever Damaso Marte from the Pirates for Jose Tabata, Ross Ohlendorf, Phil Coke and one other minor league prospect.

 

While the trade has been agreed upon, according to Heyman, nothing will become official until all six players have been granted medical clearance.

 

Nady, originally drafted by the Padres in 2000, has become an emerging power threat over his six years in Major League Baseball -- three with San Diego, one-half season with the New York Mets and then 2 1/2 seasons with the Pirates. He has 75 career homers but 33 since April 2007.

 

Though Nady's contract does not expire until after the 2009 season, the Pirates seemed determined to unload either Nady or Jason Bay, in favor of Andrew McCutchen, a five-tool outfielder who is widely hailed as Pittsburgh's top prospect.

 

With Marte, the Yankees get a power arm with set-up and closing experience. In eight-plus years in the majors, Marte has posted strong numbers in both ERA (3.21) and WHIP (1.25). He also has 36 career saves, including the five he had earned recently as the Pirates' de facto closer, after Matt Capps was lost for a significant time.

 

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. wow, they wanted the world for marte & they give marte & nady up for tabata & 3 other guys . lol . the pirates must hate theo .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Rdsxmbnt]

Yanks get: Nady, Marte

Pirates get: Ohlendorf, Kontos, Coke, Tabata

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3505686

[a700hitter]

It looks like the Yankees have fleeced the Pirates.

[a700hitter]

Duseldorf sucks and who is Tabitha?

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. wow, they wanted the world for marte & they give marte & nady up for tabata & 3 other guys . lol . the pirates must hate theo .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Nationals wanted Lowrie & Bowden for Jon Rauch. They got a 2nd base prospect from Arizona instead for him

[yeszir]

Threads merged.

[CrespoBlows]

Duseldorf sucks and who is Tabitha?

 

19 year old prospect in AA for the Yankees.

 

He has been compared to Manny, but I don't see it. He has an OPS of .630 this year. He has chronic wrist problems, and is a bit of a headcase.

[CrespoBlows]

The Nationals wanted Lowrie & Bowden for Jon Rauch. They got a 2nd base prospect from Arizona instead for him

 

They asked for that. I'm pretty sure they could have negotiated a better deal.

[User Name]

Well the DID give up one of their better prospects I believe. I don't really mind, they're just getting older I think.

[Soxfan1]

Pirates got robbed I believe.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

We should trade Javier Lopez, Charlie Zink, and my used tissue for Jason Bay

[a700hitter]

The Nationals wanted Lowrie & Bowden for Jon Rauch. They got a 2nd base prospect from Arizona instead for him

That's if you believe the propaganda.

[ARod2212]

Good move. Tabata was starting to seem like a headcase. He could still turn his career around, but it's not as big a loss as it would have been a year ago.

 

Nady fills a hole in the lineup and in the field, and Marte is the lefty reliever we didn't have. Really good move by Cash.

[a700hitter]

Good move. Tabata was starting to seem like a headcase. He could still turn his career around, but it's not as big a loss as it would have been a year ago.

 

Nady fills a hole in the lineup and in the field, and Marte is the lefty reliever we didn't have. Really good move by Cash.

Will Nady play LF? Have you seen him play the OF? He's awful.

[ARod2212]

Will Nady play LF? Have you seen him play the OF? He's awful.

Is he as bad as Abreu? I see him slotting in each corner outfield slot and DHing every once and a while.

[a700hitter]

Is he as bad as Abreu? I see him slotting in each corner outfield slot and DHing every once and a while.

He's much worse than Abreu. Abreu is only afraid of the wall. Nady breaks late and the wrong way on every ball. RF doesn't have a lot of real estate, but there will be lots of open space that he will not be able to cover in LF.

[ARod2212]

I'm sure they'll give him a shot in left for a while. At worst he'll give Damon time to get healthier to play the outfield a month from now.

 

Damon

Jeter

Abreu

Rodriguez

Giambi

Nady

Cano

Cabrera

Molina

 

I like the way it looks. Not to mention what Marte gives them in the bullpen.

[jacksonianmarch]

Nady is a guy I wanted second to Bay. I really wanted Bay. But to get a guy like Nady doesnt hurt for now. He is hitting .330 with 13 bombs and 57 RBI. Marte is gonna be a big boon since he gives us a lefty specialist, a setup man and backup closer all in one. I expect to see Hawkins DFAd now. In terms of who we gave up...

 

Jose Tabata was the meat and potatoes of this deal. He has been compared to manny in approach and up to this yr had the rare trait of solid contact and a great eye. The power never came and this yr, he blew a gasket since it was the first time he hit a roadblock in his career. Being the youngest guy in your league can do that. But he proceeded to blow a hammy too, and is now out for the yr. He is still 19 and still projects as an everyday corner OFer, so this is a nice pickup for the Pirates. But he'll need to be eased off a bit.

 

I am gonna miss George Kontos. Drafted in the 5th round out of NW, he was torched in college. Came to the minors and absolutely dominated. He throws a mid 90s fastball, a plus plus slider and a minus (but improving) change. He still looks like he'll be a back end of the pen guy, but he is showing flashes of a third pitch and may become an ace type pitcher in the future.

 

Ross Ohlendorf never really fit in since we got him for RJ. He was a starter, then couldnt locate, was moved to the pen where he was solid for half a yr, then sucked this yr out of the pen and is back in the AAA rotation. When he is going right, he could be a mid rotation starter or a solid pen arm.

 

Phil Coke was a throw-n. Lefty pitcher who is old for his league. He has not one plus pitch. He gets by on location and guile, but he wont continue to do so at the big league level, or so the yankee brass thinks. If he was still in the org, he'd likely be passed over, so he is an add on.

 

 

Overall, I cannot complain. We get a corner OFer and 1b we needed and the premium lefty arm we needed. Plus, if we dont retain either, both are type A FA's, so we'd get the production from them AND 4 top picks. Really isnt much of a question. I think we win in this one.

[jacksonianmarch]

Just found something out.

 

Nady's current contract runs out after this yr, but the yankees will have an option to offer him arb. He cannot become a FA unless we non-tender him since he wont have the service time to be a FA. He can become a FA after 2009

 

Also, Damaso Marte has a 6 million dollar option for 2009, which I think the yankees will take. Flexibility will be the name of the game with this guy. So this doesnt look like the ultimate short term deal that it appeared to be.

[Gom]

OH MY GOD!

 

Jacko doesn't think that every single player in the Yankee system is a future HOFer.

 

Jacko, this deal was an outright steal.

[ORS]

Agreed Gom. Everyone gop apeshit over Tabata because some scout once said, and this was when he was like 16 or something, "Reminds me of a young Manny Ramirez". Never showed the power potential Manny did as a youngster in MiLB, and then this year up and quits on his team during a game. He wasn't that good to begin with, and now he's damaged goods. The Pirates got worked over in this deal, but they seem to like doing that for the Yankees. Didn't you guys get Wilson after Chacon's fairy dust had clearly worn off? I thought that deal was a steal too.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

"Reminds me of a young Manny Ramirez". Never showed the power potential Manny did as a youngster in MiLB' date=' and then this year up and quits on his team during a game.[/quote']

 

Sounds just like Manny Ramirez, at least the quitting part

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Looks like it's not Coke and Kontos but Karstens and McCutchen

 

So to recap:

 

Daniel McCutchen, Jeff Karstens, Jose Tabata and Ross Ohlendorf from the Yankees for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte.

[jacksonianmarch]

I like this one a bit more. Kontos has better stuff than Cutch and is much younger. Cutch is MLB ready, though. Karstens would have been DFAd this offseason since he was on the 40 man, so his inclusion is truly a throw in.

[Anuj09]

I wonder how this affects his fantasy value - when he plays hes great but hes like Milton Bradley - he goes through stretches where he'll miss a bunch of games.

 

think i should trade him? i have a lot of depth at OF

[26 to 6]

This reconfigured package sucks! I don't mind moving Karstens, but I like McCutchen. It's a shame. I as thrilled ith that first package. Oh well though, still a good addittion for the Yanks, and of course you have to give up talent to get it in return.

 

The Pirates made out much better than they originally would have.

[jacksonianmarch]

The more I see this deal, the more I really like it. Look deeper into the deal...

 

Tabata was a INTL signee for 500K. A good amount for a top INTL signee

 

Jeff Karstens was a 19th round selection in 2003. And the kicker with him is that he would have been DFA'd to make room on the 40 man for Marte.

 

Daniel McCutchen looked like a good back of the rotation starter, but his age was an issue (he turns 26 soon). He was a 13th round pick in the soon to be famed 2006 Yankee draft.

 

Ross Ohlendorf was a guy who couldnt locate out of the rotation and couldnt miss bats in the pen. He was gotten in the RJ deal, which was more of a salary dump than anything.

 

4 guys. Only one of them was paid for heavily (Tabata). The rest were middle of the draft guys who panned out or unknowns gotten in salary dump deals. No top 5 draft picks.

 

Now the kicker. Marte will likely be around through 2009. This means that he can serve as a potential setup man (assuming Melancon, Robertson, Veras, or Edwar arent serving in that capacity) next yr, which makes Farnsworth expendable. Right now, Farnsworth is a Type A FA, meaning we will get a 1st round supp pick for him (between 31-43) and potentially a 1st rounder depending who signs him (if it is a team in the bottom 15, we get their second rounder).

 

Another kicker. Look at Bobby Abreu. .277/.350/.440. Well below where his career sits. Now he is notoriously a second half player. But over the past 2 yrs, Nady has outplayed him. I think this is a signal that Abreu is on his way out as well. Now, Abreu is a type A FA as well. So if we let him walk, we get the same deal we got with Farnsworth.

 

So in all, we give up 4 players, only one of which was a highly touted guy who we paid dearly for in the INTL forum. We get 2 players in their prime, filling vital roles and putting an all star caliber performance up this yr. Not only that, but we now make two players expendable who make a combined 22 mil and will Absolutely get 4 top 70 draft picks which could potentially be 4 top 40 picks back. Where do we sign?

[26 to 6]

Good points. I hadn't even thought about it in terms of making free agents expendable and the draft picks involved.

[Jayhawk Bill]

The more I see this deal, the more I really like it. Look deeper into the deal...

 

Tabata was a INTL signee for 500K. A good amount for a top INTL signee

 

Jeff Karstens was a 19th round selection in 2003. And the kicker with him is that he would have been DFA'd to make room on the 40 man for Marte.

 

Daniel McCutchen looked like a good back of the rotation starter, but his age was an issue (he turns 26 soon). He was a 13th round pick in the soon to be famed 2006 Yankee draft.

 

Ross Ohlendorf was a guy who couldnt locate out of the rotation and couldnt miss bats in the pen. He was gotten in the RJ deal, which was more of a salary dump than anything.

 

4 guys. Only one of them was paid for heavily (Tabata). The rest were middle of the draft guys who panned out or unknowns gotten in salary dump deals. No top 5 draft picks.

 

Now the kicker. Marte will likely be around through 2009. This means that he can serve as a potential setup man (assuming Melancon, Robertson, Veras, or Edwar arent serving in that capacity) next yr, which makes Farnsworth expendable. Right now, Farnsworth is a Type A FA, meaning we will get a 1st round supp pick for him (between 31-43) and potentially a 1st rounder depending who signs him (if it is a team in the bottom 15, we get their second rounder).

 

Another kicker. Look at Bobby Abreu. .277/.350/.440. Well below where his career sits. Now he is notoriously a second half player. But over the past 2 yrs, Nady has outplayed him. I think this is a signal that Abreu is on his way out as well. Now, Abreu is a type A FA as well. So if we let him walk, we get the same deal we got with Farnsworth.

 

So in all, we give up 4 players, only one of which was a highly touted guy who we paid dearly for in the INTL forum. We get 2 players in their prime, filling vital roles and putting an all star caliber performance up this yr. Not only that, but we now make two players expendable who make a combined 22 mil and will Absolutely get 4 top 70 draft picks which could potentially be 4 top 40 picks back. Where do we sign?

 

No fault with this analysis, except to caution that the type of free agents can change on little notice (see Gagne, Eric ).

 

I look at the trade and ask, "What did Pittsburgh see in this for them?"

 

Thoughts:

 

1) They may have found a flaw in Jose Tabata that they believe that they can remedy with coaching.

 

2) They may see Ohlendorf as the next Gaylord Perry. *

 

3) They may expect better results from Karsten's off-speed repertoire in the NL.

 

4) There's been tampering behind the scenes.

 

I can conceive of no other possibilities. My money is on number one...YMMV. :dunno:

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Oddly, Gaylord Perry is one of Ohlendorf's top ten PECOTA comparables. Most of the rest are career MiLB players.

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