Chamberlain to the bullpen?

[elsrbueno]

Chamberlain to start season in Yankees' bullpen

From the New York Post: "Joba Chamberlain will prepare during spring training as a starter, but will begin the season in the Yankee bullpen barring injury to any of the other five main rotation members, team officials confirmed to The Post.

 

It had been speculated throughout the offseason that Chamberlain could open in the 'pen as a way to restrain his innings from going beyond the approximately 140 the organization wants to limit him to in 2008."

 

Of course this has been talked about all winter long, and of course the NY Post isn't the most reliable of sources.

 

BUT-- if this report is true and Chamberlain starts the season in the pen this COULD be the end of Joba as a starter. Remember Papelbon a year ago? They're basically in the same boat. Both had the stuff / arm to be good starters but both proved they could be DOMINANT relievers. However if he spends any significant time in the bullpen it would be difficult to get him stretched out midseason.

 

This would make the Yankees bullpen instantly one of the best with Joba capable of 2+ dominant innings and Mariano to close the door.

[elsrbueno]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3242295

 

ESPN's reporting it now, too.

 

Looks like he'll be sent down in June to get stretched out.

[26 to 6]

I like the idea, but I think losing him for 3-4 weeks in June might hurt. I understand he can't quite get stretched properly in the bigs, but its still a concern of mine. He has an innings limit, and some of those innings will be used/wasted in Scranton (or Trenton or wherever).

[BSN07]

We where warned about this kind of " Back and forth " treatment when it came to Papelbon. The Yanks better be careful. I wonder whos ass is on the line for this idea. 1st time Joba gets hurt there will need to be a fall man...

[YAZMAN]

This is bound to hamper his development. It'll be confusing, frustrating, and counterproductive.

[Gom]

Of course this has been talked about all winter long' date=' and of course the NY Post isn't the most reliable of sources.[/quote']

Actually, the Post is usually dead-on. In New York, only the Times is suspect on sports. The Post is extremely reliable when it comes to sports.

This is bound to hamper his development. It'll be confusing' date=' frustrating, and counterproductive.[/quote']

They want to limit his innings to about 120-140. Can't really use him as a starter or a reliever. He won't move this year unless Mussina really stinks up the joint. How can you justify a 2.00 ERA with 1.1 strikeouts an inning out of the pen? Just talk, and the reality is they'll keep him there all year.

[a700hitter]

He will move this year when Mussina really stinks up the joint.

I made the necessary corrections.

[kreinbihl34]

Actually, the Post is usually dead-on. In New York, only the Times is suspect on sports. The Post is extremely reliable when it comes to sports.

 

They want to limit his innings to about 120-140. Can't really use him as a starter or a reliever. He won't move this year unless Mussina really stinks up the joint. How can you justify a 2.00 ERA with 1.1 strikeouts an inning out of the pen? Just talk, and the reality is they'll keep him there all year.

 

It's almost a sure bet thing Moose will stink up the joint this year. The Yankees can't afford another year where they trot out a guarenteed loss every fourth and fifth day. Hughes showed promise, but last year got hurt, so can he be counted on for 180 innings?

 

So there goes the limit. You can't use a three man Wang, Petitte and Hughes rotation. Well you can try atleast.:dunno:

 

So in my opinion no Joba in the rotation in 08 will likely result into the same solution as last year.

[Gom]

I made the necessary corrections.

Touche. I stand corrected. I wonder who'll have the better first half of the season...Mussina or Schilling. I'd say it's about a wash.

[BSN07]

Touche. I stand corrected. I wonder who'll have the better first half of the season...Mussina or Schilling. I'd say it's about a wash.

 

Mussina hands down, he will throw atleast 1 pitch in the 1st half. That is more then Schilling will...

[kreinbihl34]

I rather have Schilling not throw a pitch then have Mussina throw one.

[Gom]

Mussina hands down' date=' he will throw atleast 1 pitch in the 1st half. That is more then Schilling will...[/quote']

One argument...

I rather have Schilling not throw a pitch then have Mussina throw one.

vs. another.

 

Like I said...pretty much a wash at this point in time.

[Optimist]

Yankees just announced Joba will start 2008 in the bullpen.

[jacksonianmarch]

They better be careful. Joba is such a rare talent that mucking him up could be the deathknell of a franchise.

[YAZMAN]

I hope they switch him back and forth another half dozen times this year. And with their staff, they very well just may wind up doing that.

 

I like to think of him as your future, well fed, Julian Tavares.

[ORS]

The next Julian, huh? I personally think he's got incredible Ponson potential.

[BoSox21]

or he could very well be the next Chase Wright

[jacksonianmarch]

I highly doubt they move him back and forth. His IP limit is 150 this yr, and I dont think that includes the postseason. If you assume that he'd throw 80 innings in a full yr if he stayed in the pen...

 

80/6= 13IP per month. If you figure he'd throw 6IP per 5 days as a starter he'd throw 36IP per month as a starter.

 

3 months as a reliever= 39IP

3 months as a starter= 108IP

 

I think that is what they will do. But it doesnt take into account all factors. I'd assume they will send him down to the minors at the end of those 3 months as a reliever so he can stretch out. I'd assume it will take 16 or so days to do that. (3IP day 1, 4IP day 6, 5IP day 11, Majors for day 16)

[BoSox21]

if the Yankees have an ability to cut the game to 7 innings the way the Red Sox did last year, that proves to be incredibly valuable, possibly more than having Joba come in every 5th day only

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think he is going to be used as the 8th inning guy. I think he'll be used, at most every 3rd day for 2 inning stints. So every 3rd game, he should shorten the game to 6 innings. Having him be a 1 innign setup man will be a poor way to start him out on the road to the rotation. That being said, Joba has the arsenal to be a starter. This isnt a guy who has 2 plus pitches and nothing else. Joba has the size to handle the load, and 3 plus pitches. He needs to be in the rotation.

[jacksonianmarch]

Plus, bridging the gap with Joba will be helpful to the development of the other young arms. We have some serious pen arms coming up, and if they get time to get their feet wet while Joba, Farns and Hawkins handle the middle inning load, then we could see someone rise when we move Joba to the rotation.

[BoSox21]

if their plan is to move him to the rotation during the season, I find that to be incredibly risky. last ST, when they started Papelbon as a starter then put him back as the closer, they ruled out the possibility of having him be a starter during the year simply because it's too difficult and risky to do

[jacksonianmarch]

It isnt risky if you do it right. Unfortunately, I dont think we will. If we stretch him out the right way (increase his IP by 1 per start, get him at least 3 starts and enough time off in between to recover then on a 100 pitch count for the next month) then there isnt too much risk. But that would involve us not rushing him. And I have a feeling that demoting him mid season will not be something Hank will be too happy with.

[rician blast]

They better be careful. Joba is such a rare talent that mucking him up could be the deathknell of a franchise.

 

Exaggeration?

[jacksonianmarch]

yeah, maybe. But you dont get a rare talent like him very often and especially the way he fell to us, we have to capitalize.

[TheKilo]

They better be careful. Joba is such a rare talent that mucking him up could be the deathknell of a franchise.

 

It's baseball season again, jacko is talking out of his ass.

[Cocos Disciples]

How oh so very wonderful!