Yanks Want to Talk to A-Rod

[yankees228]

So you believe what the Yankees say?

 

As opposed to the fact you think they were referring to Boras and not A-Rod in there other comments?

 

I believe that A-Rod was the person approached the Yankees and not the other way around. That is what multiple sources are reporting, so until I hear differently, that's what I'm going to believe.

[TheKilo]

I believe that A-Rod was the person approached the Yankees and not the other way around. That is what multiple sources are reporting' date=' so until I hear differently, that's what I'm going to believe.[/quote']

 

Regardless of that fact, if the Yankees sign him for the deal that is reportedly on the table, the Yankee FO looks absolutely foolish in the wake of their comments, and ARod and Boras become the big winners in this deal by getting the Yankees to pay more for him.

[yankees228]

The deal of the table is for 10 years, $275 million.

 

Who exactly are the winners on this deal?

 

In terms of annual salary, I believe he is being paid fairly according to market value. As for the length, obviously it's too long, but everything can't be perfect.

 

What it comes down to, in my opinion, is that, right now, they cannot really afford to lose him. It would be next to impossible to make up for A-Rod's offensive production without seriously damaging other parts of your team.

 

In a perfect world, no, I would not sign him to 10 years, but I think the positives in this deal outweigh the negatives from the Yankee's standpoint.

 

Kilo, I understand that you wanted the Red Sox to sign A-Rod. If this is true, what contract did you want the Red Sox to give him, that could have legitimately been accepted by A-Rod and Boras?

[yankees228]

Regardless of that fact' date=' if the Yankees sign him for the deal that is reportedly on the table, the Yankee FO looks absolutely foolish in the wake of their comments, and ARod and Boras become the big winners in this deal [b']by getting the Yankees to pay more for him.[/b]

 

More money when compared to what other offer?

[a700hitter]

The Yankees say that he came back to them.

 

A-Rod says that he came back to them.

 

I don't think this is a whole conspiracy.

ARod is very concerned with his image, and if the Yankees commit $275 million to him, they too are concerned with his image. What better way to make ARod look good than to play out the farce that he always wanted to stay a Yankee. Yeah I believe that ARod came crawling back for a deal larger than the one originally offered. If ARod came crawling back, why wouldn't the Yankees say "here is our original offer minus the $21 million forfeited to Texas."? After all, if he came crawling back, they'd have him over a barrel...right? Go ahead .. believe the propaganda. I am sure he never wanted to leave the Yankees, their tradition and NY.

[TheKilo]

More money when compared to what other offer?

 

The Yankees no longer have the Texas subsidy.

[a700hitter]

More money when compared to what other offer?

The Yankees had an offer prepared. I am sure that Boras knew what it was. I think there were reports in the press about the offer too.

[Soxfan1]

Reportedly on the WFAN from Mike and the Mad Dog, A-Rod signs with Yankees for 10 Years at $275M. Huge news! A-Rod supposedly acted WITHOUT Boras.

 

On a scale of 1 to 100, deal is a 101 finished.

 

Wow.

 

Go to http://www.wfan.com/ and click on the interview with Sterling.

[yankees228]

The Yankees no longer have the Texas subsidy.

 

Right, and those are the casualties of him having a huge year right before his opt out clause was set to kick in.

 

When it comes to baseball decisions, I do not feel that the Yankee's front office looks foolish whatsoever, and, to me, the baseball aspect is what counts.

[yankees228]

ARod is very concerned with his image' date=' and if the Yankees commit $275 million to him, they too are concerned with his image. What better way to make ARod look good than to play out the farce that he always wanted to stay a Yankee. Yeah I believe that ARod came crawling back for a deal larger than the one originally offered. If ARod came crawling back, why wouldn't the Yankees say "here is our original offer minus the $21 million forfeited to Texas."? After all, if he came crawling back, they'd have him over a barrel...right? Go ahead .. believe the propaganda. I am sure he never wanted to leave the Yankees, their tradition and NY. [/quote']

 

Think what you want, but quite frankly, it really doesn't matter.

 

They are much better off with A-Rod than without, and that is what matters in the end. You can spin this any way you want, but the Yankees made a good baseball decision by keeping him.

[a700hitter]

Reportedly on the WFAN from Mike and the Mad Dog' date=' A-Rod signs with Yankees for 10 Years at $275M. Huge news! A-Rod supposedly acted WITHOUT Boras.[/quote']The farce continues. As I stated in a prior post, excluding Boras would violate the CBA. Of course Boras negotiated and reviewed the contract. ARod would not be stupid enough to cut the deal himself. If the Yankees, Boras and ARod put up the front that ARod turned his back on his agent and came back to the Yankees, what better way to ingratiate him with the fans. They can blame the whole unseemly affair on Boras. Fans are so gullible.

[yankees228]

The farce continues. As I stated in a prior post' date=' excluding Boras would violate the CBA. Of course Boras negotiated and reviewed the contract. ARod would not be stupid enough to cut the deal himself. If the Yankees, Boras and ARod put up the front that ARod turned his back on his agent and came back to the Yankees, what better way to ingratiate him with the fans. They can blame the whole unseemly affair on Boras. Fans are so gullible.[/quote']

 

The smart fans should care about the fact that this makes the Yankee's BASEBALL team better.

[Cocos Disciples]

Again, lulz Hal and Hank.

[a700hitter]

Think what you want, but quite frankly, it really doesn't matter.

 

They are much better off with A-Rod than without, and that is what matters in the end. You can spin this any way you want, but the Yankees made a good baseball decision by keeping him.

It was the right baseball move without question, and that is all that matters, so why are you trying to convince yourself that ARod turned his back on his agent and came running back for a measly $25 million increase over the original Yankee offer, which cost the Yankees an additional $46 million due to losing the Texas money. Clearly, they had ARod over a barrel.

[yankees228]

It was the right baseball move without question' date=' and that is all that matters, so why are you trying to convince yourself that ARod turned his back on his agent and came running back for a measly $25 million increase over the original Yankee offer, which cost the Yankees an additional $46 million due to losing the Texas money. Clearly, they had ARod over a barrel.[/quote']

 

That's just my opinion on the matter. The Yankees were wrong in the first place to state publically that they would not negotiate with A-Rod under any circumstances, so they are simply correcting their mistake. Who contacted who is a trivial matter in my opinion. You might very well be correct in assuming that they went back to A-Rod and Boras is in fact part of these negotiates, so all I'm saying is that I don't think that should be the focus.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The smart fans should care about the fact that this makes the Yankee's BASEBALL team better.

 

Yeah the Yankees baseball team is better....I say they can make it as far as the ALDS

[rician blast]

This is actually very humorous on both sides of the situation.

 

On one hand you have the Steinbrenners who stated that if ARod opted out they would have no negotiations with him and even said that he apparently did not want to be a Yankee and they therefore do not want him.

 

Then you have Borass and ARod supposedly saying that it would take $350m just for the Yankees to talk to them, ARod opting out and the alleged contact by "a number of interested teams."

 

Not sure if this was all just business all along, or if there's some damage control being done, some miscalculations being repaired or what. But its comical.

 

As a Sox fan, I don't like the idea of him coming back to NYY, he is so good that eventually I think he'll hurt the Sox. Funny...I was steadfast against him coming to Boston...then when the aRod to the NYY thing picks up speed? The emoiton changes a bit.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

John Sterling said A-Rod is leaving 60 million on the table to go back to the Yankees. That is how I know this A-Rod crawling back to the Yankees deal is crap.

[a700hitter]

John Sterling said A-Rod is leaving 60 million on the table to go back to the Yankees. That is how I know this A-Rod crawling back to the Yankees deal is crap.

On whose table?

 

BTW: Sterling is just happy he doesn't have to shelve his homer calls:

 

"An A-Bomb by ARod!!" and

 

"A long home run by Alexander the Great" and

 

"A Titanic Blast by Alexander Emanuelle Rodriguez1!!"

[26 to 6]

What Scott Boras really did was destroy any credibility the Yankees front office had.

I really dont see it that way. Call it bias, but the Yankees, since Cashman declared in late August-early September, if A-Rod opted out the Yankes would not persue him on the free agent market. He opted out, and the Yankees ownership, baseball operations, etc. stood pat on their stance. They didn't go back on their word and go out and try to bring A-Rod back, it was A-Rod who went back to the Yankees, agreed to negotiate on their terms, swallow the money the Yankees lost from Texas, and initiated the whole revival. To say the Yankees FO lose their credibility for this is wrong, I think. They took a stance, stood pat, and played hardball. This was not a bluff by any means. They get presented with the opportunity, on their terms, to bring back the best player in baseball, a move that is obviously a positive one, and they did it.

[a700hitter]

I really dont see it that way. Call it bias' date=' but the Yankees, since Cashman declared in late August-early September, if A-Rod opted out the Yankes would not persue him on the free agent market. He opted out, and the Yankees ownership, baseball operations, etc. stood pat on their stance. They didn't go back on their word and go out and try to bring A-Rod back, it was A-Rod who went back to the Yankees, agreed to negotiate on their terms, swallow the money the Yankees lost from Texas, and initiated the whole revival. To say the Yankees FO lose their credibility for this is wrong, I think. They took a stance, stood pat, and played hardball. This was not a bluff by any means. They get presented with the opportunity, on their terms, to bring back the best player in baseball, a move that is obviously a positive one, and they did it.[/quote']...and they only coughed up an additional $25 million at the cost of $46 million. That's hardball?

[Rdsxmbnt]

I really dont see it that way. Call it bias' date=' but the Yankees, since Cashman declared in late August-early September, if A-Rod opted out the Yankes would not persue him on the free agent market. He opted out, and the Yankees ownership, baseball operations, etc. stood pat on their stance. They didn't go back on their word and go out and try to bring A-Rod back, it was A-Rod who went back to the Yankees, agreed to negotiate on their terms, swallow the money the Yankees lost from Texas, and initiated the whole revival. To say the Yankees FO lose their credibility for this is wrong, I think. They took a stance, stood pat, and played hardball. This was not a bluff by any means. They get presented with the opportunity, on their terms, to bring back the best player in baseball, a move that is obviously a positive one, and they did it.[/quote']

 

So basically Cashman says absolutely not that they will not negotiate with Arod if he opted out. Well Arod did opt out and two days into FA Arod comes back to the Yankees and wants to be part of the team again. Why didn't Cashman just say "No", how is Arod approaching the Yankees any different? What it looks like now is that Arod (Boras) called the Yankees bluff and is about to get a massive contract and pay raise.

 

The Yankees were offering basically 8/231 however that included 22 mil from Texas so they really only owed 210. And Arod rejects that.

 

And it basically goes like this:

Arod: So Brian I'd like to be back on the Yankees

Cashman: Well you did opt and cost our organization 22 mil towards your cause. Now I guess I could retract my entire statement about not making any deals with you but our offer stands at 8/210 which is what we would have been paying you.

Arod: oh...well geese me and Scott were thinking more along the lines 10/280-300.

Cashman: That's is 2 years longer and 70-90 mil more than what we were going to pay you before. And now the contract is reaching into your ages 41-42 years

Arod: Exactly.

Cashman: Welcome Back!

[example1]

This is all such a farce. The Yankees are trying to save face by saying that they will not negotiate with the evil Boras' date=' but they know all too well that refusing to negotiate with the players agent or asking to exclude the agent is a violation of the Collectively Bargained Agreement. Boras knew that the Yankees would come crawling back on their bellies. All he had to do was leak that they were talking with the Red Sox or the Mets. The Yankees couldn't live with him going to one of those teams. Unfortunately, by throwing the equivalent of a hissy fit by publicly declaring that they would not negotiate with ARod (ooops I meant Boras) if he opted out, the Yankees have generated a tremendous amount of anti-ARod passion and yes venom on behalf of many Yankee fans. I don't understand the strong venomous reaction against ARod for exercising his contractual right.[/quote']

 

THIS is the kind of s*** that makes me happily defend the fact that the Sox are NOT just like the Yankees. The Sox will offer what they feel a player is worth, nearly every time. They don't go above it because no one player is going to be bigger than the team (budget wise in particular). Rumors are flying about Mariano's deal, Posada's contract was girthy, and A-Rod will come back despite their comments otherwise.

 

This is just drama.

[He Hate Me]

Posada: 4 years 52.4 million

Rivera: 3 years 45 million

A-Rod: 10 years 290 million

 

Total: 17 years committed for 387.4 million dollars

 

Thats a lot of money to keep 3 players who were already part of the Yankee team who hasn't been able to get out of the first round in the playoffs.

 

ugh don't remind me. I almost puked when I heard that $289M number.

[He Hate Me]

You think?

 

I don't. This smells like a staged comeback. The only way Arod could conceivably be welcomed back by Yankee fans is if he plays the hero card and jilts the most hated man in baseball in a moment of "conscience" where he realizes he really does like NY and wants to come back. And it's already working. Yankee fans are lapping this up. No other scenario works. It's a traveshamockery.

 

the only way I'm buying this is if ARod signs a below market deal...I'm thinking 10 yrs $220M, no opt out, and no stupid 300AB incentive which will push it to $300M!!!!

[ARod2212]

They were going to extend him 5-7 years on top of his 3 years he was locked in for. So 10 years is not the Yankees reaching. The possibility of going to 10 was there pre opt-out.

 

The whole reason for the opt out/no sign ultimatum was the loss of the Texas money. Rodriguez new proposed contract (anywhere from $220-$280) is backloaded, making the money he gets during years 1-3 comparable to the money the Yankees would have paid him before he opted out. The last part of the contract has higher pay, which the Yankees were willing to do all along.

 

So the Yankees end up paying $275 million after Boras demanded them to offer $350 million just to negotiate. How did the Yankees get screwed in this deal again? Boras f***ed up, talked tough, and got caught on it. If this goes through, the thing I'm happiest about is the fact that Boras looks like a tool. Well that and the HOF third baseman the Yankees have again.

 

Say whatever you want about Rodriguez, the Yankees are a better team with him than without him at this point. No need to give up a Hughes or Chamberlain to get Cabrera. Keep a right handed power hitter in the lefty heavy lineup. Give Girardi a real team to work with. And gives Pettitte that a little more incentive to come back with the whole team back on board trying to win another ring. If the Yankees land Rodriguez, it'll be a huge turnaround for the franchise.

[TheKilo]

the only way I'm buying this is if ARod signs a below market deal...I'm thinking 10 yrs $220M' date=' no opt out, and no stupid 300AB incentive which will push it to $300M!!!![/quote']

 

lol good luck with that

[He Hate Me]

lol good luck with that

 

good then I can continue hating on him. God I can't stand the guy. Everything about him screams phony.

[Taliesin]

They were going to extend him 5-7 years on top of his 3 years he was locked in for. So 10 years is not the Yankees reaching. The possibility of going to 10 was there pre opt-out.

 

The whole reason for the opt out/no sign ultimatum was the loss of the Texas money. Rodriguez new proposed contract (anywhere from $220-$280) is backloaded, making the money he gets during years 1-3 comparable to the money the Yankees would have paid him before he opted out. The last part of the contract has higher pay, which the Yankees were willing to do all along.

 

So the Yankees end up paying $275 million after Boras demanded them to offer $350 million just to negotiate. How did the Yankees get screwed in this deal again? Boras f***ed up, talked tough, and got caught on it. If this goes through, the thing I'm happiest about is the fact that Boras looks like a tool. Well that and the HOF third baseman the Yankees have again.

 

Say whatever you want about Rodriguez, the Yankees are a better team with him than without him at this point. No need to give up a Hughes or Chamberlain to get Cabrera. Keep a right handed power hitter in the lefty heavy lineup. Give Girardi a real team to work with. And gives Pettitte that a little more incentive to come back with the whole team back on board trying to win another ring. If the Yankees land Rodriguez, it'll be a huge turnaround for the franchise.

 

"Even if he comes back, my opinion on him won't change after this. He talked and talked about how he was willing to give money back to go to a winner. How he wanted to play in New Yankee Stadium. And it was all ********. I gave him the benefit of the doubt on it, and I was wrong. He's a phony who's only chasing money"

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f*** this.

 

I love a little hypocrisy in the morning...it smells like victory. MWID.

[TheKilo]

"Even if he comes back, my opinion on him won't change after this. He talked and talked about how he was willing to give money back to go to a winner. How he wanted to play in New Yankee Stadium. And it was all ********. I gave him the benefit of the doubt on it, and I was wrong. He's a phony who's only chasing money"

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Proud Member of the Greatest Rivalry in Sports

9-11-01 FDNYPD We will not forget.

Just because it's a rivalry doesn't mean you need to make retarded arguments.

f*** this.

 

I love a little hypocrisy in the morning...it smells like victory. MWID.

 

Noice.