Theo - "We Like Mike"

[example1]

Would you give him 4x15?

 

I sure wouldn't. Not with possibilities of Cabrera or, more easily attainable but perhaps more anxiety provoking, A-Rod to fill the spot.

[riverside sluggers]

Florida is asking for Joba or Hughes, and the Yankees aren't gonna give either of them up. Although, they offfered Melky and Hughes for Peavy.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/11/cabrera.suitors/index.html

 

Joba not going anywhere under any trade

 

Hughes will only go for Santana or Peavy

 

Kennedy I can see being moved for Cabrera

 

That said there price is way to high for him. Offensivly he is a monster everything else he does though is avg to below avg.

 

This will take awhile for him to be traded b/c I'm sure Boras will want to keep ARod on the market untill it gets done and I'm sure the Marlins are waiting for ARod to sign

 

Actually if you scroll down in that article, Florida is specifically asking from New York:

 

Joba Chamberlain or Phillip Hughes

Melky Cabrera

Jose Tabata

AND another prospect

 

Damn, I dont blame the Yankees for refusing that deal

[das11209]

Market open on Lowell:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/11/13/market_open_on_lowell/

 

The fact that Theo could not get a deal done last night makes me believe that the chances that Lowell will be back is slim as he gets the taste of open market that signs old ballplayers to huge contracts in multiple years (read the Yankees).

[das11209]

From rotoworld:

 

General manager Brian Cashman said Monday that the Yankees will "certainly talk to" Mike Lowell.

 

Now that Lowell is on the open market after failing to re-sign with the Red Sox during their exclusive negotiating window, he figures to get a number of a three- and four-year offers. New York Newsday speculates that losing Lowell would cause the Red Sox to "make a serious run" at Alex Rodriguez.

Source: New York Newsday

Related: Yankees

[BSN07]

From rotoworld:

 

If they really are going after AROD, I hope there ready to play chicken and see who blinks 1st. I don't mind AROD on the team, but not a 10 yr contract. If you can get him for 5-6 maybe an option yr or two then ok. If he won't sign the deal the Sox offer they could let him seek riches elsewhere.

 

 

Other options besides Lowell/Arod

1.MC

2.Beltre

3.Crede

4.Laroche(Prospect)

5.Youk( find a 1B, maybe Carter)

6.Tejada( don't want this one but i'm trying to think of all possibilities).

7. Maybe there some other 3B/1B prospect out there as an option that is realitivley unknown.

 

Anyone else? What woul be eceryones top choice?

 

MC is mine if it doesn't cost Buccholz/Ellsbury( I know FL would be wanting them obviously) but keeping those 2 is important.

 

If no MC I try to pluck Laroche from LAD for some combo of Masterson,Lowrie,Hanen,Bard,Moss,Pauley. Maybe 2 of that groupf for Laroche.

[das11209]

If they really are going after AROD, I hope there ready to play chicken and see who blinks 1st. I don't mind AROD on the team, but not a 10 yr contract. If you can get him for 5-6 maybe an option yr or two then ok. If he won't sign the deal the Sox offer they could let him seek riches elsewhere.

 

 

Other options besides Lowell/Arod

1.MC

2.Beltre

3.Crede

4.Laroche(Prospect)

5.Youk( find a 1B, maybe Carter)

6.Tejada( don't want this one but i'm trying to think of all possibilities).

7. Maybe there some other 3B/1B prospect out there as an option that is realitivley unknown.

 

Anyone else? What woul be eceryones top choice?

 

MC is mine if it doesn't cost Buccholz/Ellsbury( I know FL would be wanting them obviously) but keeping those 2 is important.

 

If no MC I try to pluck Laroche from LAD for some combo of Masterson,Lowrie,Hanen,Bard,Moss,Pauley. Maybe 2 of that groupf for Laroche.

 

Crede and Tejada will not work out IMO. Beltre was one contract year wonder. I hope that Carter works out and he is not WMP part deux. God - I wish Theo did not get rid of Carlos Pena - yeah I know noone saw the year he had coming and blah blah blah.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Other options besides Lowell/Arod

 

5.Youk( find a 1B, maybe Carter)

 

Anyone else? What woul be eceryones top choice?

 

My first choice is Mike Lowell at 3/36 to 3/45, exactly what Theo offered.

 

My second choice is A-Rod, understanding that he'll be a .300/.400/.500 hitter, not the 2007 MVP, but that he'll approach a .900 OPS for many years to come. In today's market, 8/240 seems to be a fair opening bid.

 

My insurance policy is a bit off the wall, but it's cheap: I'd try to trade for Kevin Millar and use him as the lesser half of a platoon with Chris Carter at first base, moving Youkilis to third. Baltimore needs a center fielder, but Millar has far too little trade value to warrant offering Coco Crisp: I'd offer Bubba Bell (.370/.455/.665 at A+, .265/.337/.408 at AA) as a CF/RF prospect. He might pan out, he might not, but he'll be hitting his prime in three years, Baltimore won't contend for a year or two anyway, he's a potential solution for their biggest problem this off season, and he'd cost Baltimore $2.35 million less than Millar.

 

For Boston, Kevin Millar would fill any clubhouse vacuum left by Mike Lowell (he might fill it with Kentucky Fried Chicken, but he'd fill it), and he'd ffer a capable partner for Chris Carter while Carter got acclimated to MLB. Used in a platoon role, Carter could hit .300 or better right away, but he'll need time to get used to MLB LHP. One year from Millar could be invaluable--and that would give Manny both Tavarez and Millar to keep him happy during his final pre-option year.

 

And if something better panned out, Millar could be the DH (Designated Hinske) or he could be hired as an MiLB coach or such to complete his contract obligation, just as the Dodgers did for Mueller. He could even be released: $2.75 million isn't too much to throw away if things go bad, while $45 million or $240 million most certainly is.

 

Again, it's an off-the-wall idea, but I see it as a viable insurance policy.

[das11209]

My first choice is Mike Lowell at 3/36 to 3/45, exactly what Theo offered.

 

My second choice is A-Rod, understanding that he'll be a .300/.400/.500 hitter, not the 2007 MVP, but that he'll approach a .900 OPS for many years to come. In today's market, 8/240 seems to be a fair opening bid.

 

My insurance policy is a bit off the wall, but it's cheap: I'd try to trade for Kevin Millar and use him as the lesser half of a platoon with Chris Carter at first base, moving Youkilis to third. Baltimore needs a center fielder, but Millar has far too little trade value to warrant offering Coco Crisp: I'd offer Bubba Bell (.370/.455/.665 at A+, .265/.337/.408 at AA) as a CF/RF prospect. He might pan out, he might not, but he'll be hitting his prime in three years, Baltimore won't contend for a year or two anyway, he's a potential solution for their biggest problem this off season, and he'd cost Baltimore $2.35 million less than Millar.

 

For Boston, Kevin Millar would fill any clubhouse vacuum left by Mike Lowell (he might fill it with Kentucky Fried Chicken, but he'd fill it), and he'd ffer a capable partner for Chris Carter while Carter got acclimated to MLB. Used in a platoon role, Carter could hit .300 or better right away, but he'll need time to get used to MLB LHP. One year from Millar could be invaluable--and that would give Manny both Tavarez and Millar to keep him happy during his final pre-option year.

 

And if something better panned out, Millar could be the DH (Designated Hinske) or he could be hired as an MiLB coach or such to complete his contract obligation, just as the Dodgers did for Mueller. He could even be released: $2.75 million isn't too much to throw away if things go bad, while $45 million or $240 million most certainly is.

 

Again, it's an off-the-wall idea, but I see it as a viable insurance policy.

 

Millar is welcome to come and throw the first pitch or hang out in the clubhouse. The only way I will accept him on this team is a DH immediately followed by a pinch runner if he ever gets on base. And we probably have the best DH in the league already. It will be quite a contrast in defense at first base after watching gold glove Youk - the errors might go from 0 to 50.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Millar is welcome to come and throw the first pitch or hang out in the clubhouse. The only way I will accept him on this team is a DH immediately followed by a pinch runner if he ever gets on base. And we probably have the best DH in the league already. It will be quite a contrast in defense at first base after watching gold glove Youk - the errors might go from 0 to 50.

 

Kevin Millar played 873 innings at first base this year, making one error in 918 total chances for a .999 fielding percentage. While speed is tougher to measure, he did both steal a base and hit a triple this year.

 

We're not talking 562 plate apearances, even though Baltimore gave him that many this year: we're talking the small half of a platoon, maybe 200-300 plate appearances...and I stated that, "it's an off-the-wall idea, but I see it as a viable insurance policy."

 

And besides, what about the clubhouse karma aspect? You'd have to be some sort of stats guy not to see that, at least a little bit.

[VA Sox Fan]

Always loved Kevin Millar, always will.

 

Yeah, yeah, STFU Crunch!

[BoSox21]

Millar will always have a special place in my heart but he should not be anywhere near a discussion about what to do to replace Mike Lowell

[Mr Crunchy]

millar would have a special place in my heart..... if he could play.

 

after that humiliating ""cowboy up""

2003 a.l wild card champion t shirt scene in fenway i wrote his ass off for life

how did we know what would come next??

this is fenway not minneapolis,we dont need homer hankeys or rally monkeys or do we celebrate 2nd place finishes....its almost as bad as the bruins hanging 1978 ADAMS DIVISION FINALISTS banners.....my god

act like a f***ing adult or at least pretend you've been there before rather than subjecting 10,000,000 of us to that horse s*** display......

 

can you imagine 35,000 rally monkeys in the urinal troughs??

no....me neither

and i didnt imagine seeing this f***ing giabrone with his 2003 wild card champion tshirt on either

[Jayhawk Bill]

Millar will always have a special place in my heart but he should not be anywhere near a discussion about what to do to replace Mike Lowell

 

He's not! You've got the discussion, and my input has Lowell first, A-Rod second, and Youks third. In that third contingency, Chris Carter replaces Youkilis at first 60% of the time, and Kevin Millar gets the 40% playing time leftover all the way across the diamond.

 

Millar is nowhere near at all.

[TheKilo]

Lowell might be goooooone.

 

7Sports has learned that Mike Lowell has received contract offers from four separate MLB teams: the Braves, Angels, Cardinals, and Yankees.

 

A source close to the Lowell side of the negotiations tells 7Sports that each offer is a 4-year contract, worth between $55-60 million.

 

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/sports/BO66884/

[jacksonianmarch]

Mike Lowell is far more valuable to the sox than he will be to anyone else. And I dont think anyone would argue that if the he blew out a knee in ST this past yr, you guys wouldnt have won it. And even though he likely wont go bonkers like he did this past yr, his presence solidifies a lineup and a defense. That kind of solidification is nice when you have one player coming back from surgery and another coming back from a multitude of ailments, including some on the field issues. Lowell is a must for you guys IMO next season. Replacing him internally will be a poor option. That being said, 4 yr is too long.

[TheKilo]

Mike Lowell is far more valuable to the sox than he will be to anyone else. And I dont think anyone would argue that if the he blew out a knee in ST this past yr' date=' you guys wouldnt have won it. And even though he likely wont go bonkers like he did this past yr, his presence solidifies a lineup and a defense. That kind of solidification is nice when you have one player coming back from surgery and another coming back from a multitude of ailments, including some on the field issues. Lowell is a must for you guys IMO next season. Replacing him internally will be a poor option. That being said, 4 yr is too long.[/quote']

 

The same could have been said for Derek Lowe, Johnny Damon, etc. Having Lowell back would be nice but four years is way too long. His BABIP is unsustainable and he wll likely regress next season, and not be a $14 million player.

[Mr Crunchy]

i think any decent MLB player hitting 5th behind manny and papi is going to succeed and have tremendous#s.

that and the left field porch make him a fenway player

any team outside boston needs to understand this before tossing 60M on the table

[BSN07]

The only other park he might beable sustain close to his numbers is Philly, that place is like a sandbox.

 

And hitting behind Rollins, Utley and Howard would provide him with oppurtunitys like hitting behind Papi and Manny.

[Mr Crunchy]

good points mr dutchman

philly would be a decent fit for him as well and they have some muscle there

i dont know why philly would pounce on him as they need arms more than bats

[BSN07]

good points mr dutchman

philly would be a decent fit for him as well and they have some muscle there

i dont know why philly would pounce on him as they need arms more than bats

 

Theres no good arms available FA wise really. A bunch of maybes and hopefulls, maybe there trying to build an O that will carry them to the playoffs kind of lke the 03 Sox. Big O, not great pitching.

[Mr Crunchy]

i thoiught they wouldve made a better run at schilling.

he played there,he can deal with the people and its a national league team.

he may be sincere in shutting it down this year or he wouldve explored other avenues i feel

[das11209]

i thoiught they wouldve made a better run at schilling.

he played there,he can deal with the people and its a national league team.

he may be sincere in shutting it down this year or he wouldve explored other avenues i feel

 

May be we can trade Schilling just like we back-stabbed Arroyo after he took hometown discount.

 

Just kidding!!

[BSN07]

Philly was going to make a run at Schill be he re upped before they could talk to him.

[Mr Crunchy]

if schill can bring it to around 90-92mph he can be a consistant 15 game winner in the nl with 200ip and 200ks a yr

 

philly shouldve thrown the kitchen sink at him

he may have gotten them into the next round this year as opposed to adam eaton,jamie moyer and these other douchebags who cant get anyone out...

[BSN07]

I think they would have given the chance. But Schill re upped while it was the Sox who could only offer him a contract...

[elsrbueno]

He's not! You've got the discussion, and my input has Lowell first, A-Rod second, and Youks third. In that third contingency, Chris Carter replaces Youkilis at first 60% of the time, and Kevin Millar gets the 40% playing time leftover all the way across the diamond.

 

Millar is nowhere near at all.

 

JHB-- I love your idea of bringing in a veteran righty to platoon with Chris Carter if Lowell signs elsewhere, but for my sanity and that of the rest of the Red Sox fanbase, please stop advocating for Kevin Millar.

 

For some of those longstanding Talksox members, you'll remember my Millar rants. I don't think there's a player in Red Sox history I've hated more. The dude can't run, play defense, hit lefties, hit in a pitchers park, etc, etc, etc.

 

Please refer to the ESPN provided splits for Kevin Millar over a 3 year period:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=5981&type=batting3

 

He's actually a BETTER hitter against righties than he is against lefties!

 

Take a look at his slash stats aganst lefties from 2005 through 2007: .247/.348/.392

 

That makes his paltry .266/.364/.418 overall (over that same time span) look Ryan Howardesque by comparison.

 

Please. For the love of god. No Millar. He's a waste of a roster spot, let alone $2.75 million

[BSN07]

Millar was funny thats about it... Id rather they keep Hinske over Millar.

[rician blast]

JHB-- I love your idea of bringing in a veteran righty to platoon with Chris Carter if Lowell signs elsewhere, but for my sanity and that of the rest of the Red Sox fanbase, please stop advocating for Kevin Millar.

 

 

On WFAN recently there was some talk about Nick Johnson and his unfortunate injuries. Assuming a recovery that makes him marketable again, there has been some speculation he might be moved by the Nats for pitching.

 

JHB, got anything on this guy? He was just starting to hit his stride (in '06 I think, then broke his leg n a collision) and I believe he's a good OBP guy...could he be a 1b candidate for the Sox at the trade deadline or for 2009? Or is what I've heard just total suppositional ********?

 

Any thoughts or has anyone heard anything on him?

[TheKilo]

On WFAN recently there was some talk about Nick Johnson and his unfortunate injuries. Assuming a recovery that makes him marketable again, there has been some speculation he might be moved by the Nats for pitching.

 

JHB, got anything on this guy? He was just starting to hit his stride (in '06 I think, then broke his leg n a collision) and I believe he's a good OBP guy...could he be a 1b candidate for the Sox at the trade deadline or for 2009? Or is what I've heard just total suppositional ********?

 

Any thoughts or has anyone heard anything on him?

 

I don't think he's going to be fully healthy til the middle of '08...could be wrong though.