Catch-All Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[redsoxrules]

That's a horseshit deal for the Rangers.

 

 

yeah really, why does every team bend down for the yanks

[schillingouttheks]

yeah really' date=' why does every team bend down for the yanks[/quote']

 

Gagne, Craig Wilson, the Wigginton offer, Abreu (even though it was a salary dump they could have gotten better).... sigh. This is stupid.

[CrespoBlows]

Bogus.

 

http://yesnetwork.prospero.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=yesnetwork&tid=14845

 

It's a YES Network trade idea. The fact that no one has picked this up, lends more weight to that fact. The original post was over at prosportsdaily.com, it was posted over two hours ago.

[jacksonianmarch]

We'll see if it is true. I dont think it is. But of all the entities, Gagne is the one that must be dealt since he is a FA. And with his insistence on being a closer next season, there is nearly no chance of him being any more than just a rental. So this hurts his value anyway. I dont think Gagne will bring any major prospects and who knows, Clippard may be the best they can get.

[TheKilo]

We'll see if it is true. I dont think it is. But of all the entities' date=' Gagne is the one that must be dealt since he is a FA. And with his insistence on being a closer next season, there is nearly no chance of him being any more than just a rental. So this hurts his value anyway. I dont think Gagne will bring any major prospects and who knows, Clippard may be the best they can get.[/quote']

 

If Linebrink can fetch 3 prospects the rangers can get better than Tyler f***ing Clippard.

[TheKilo]

lol @ The YES boards

 

"Throw in Tex and you got a deal"

[jacksonianmarch]

If Linebrink can fetch 3 prospects the rangers can get better than Tyler f***ing Clippard.

 

Clippard and Inman are pretty much the same prospect.

[schillingouttheks]

Haha, I read that same line and closed the window. I lost interest in reading the rest.

[TheKilo]

Haha' date=' I read that same line and closed the window. I lost interest in reading the rest.[/quote']

 

lol

 

The Yanks throw in Joba and then you may have a deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont like the idea of dealing any of our prospects for a 3 month rental when we are 6 games out of a playoff spot. I said earlier in the yr that a season where we became sellers wouldnt be the worst thing. The WORST thing is getting close enough to be buyers but not close enough to make any noise. This is where we are standing now. We sell our souls for this season and then make up half of the deficit while watching the playoffs. I'd take this team to war and see what happens. No moves right now. Ride it out and see if someone floats on the waiver wire if we get close.

[riverside sluggers]

Clippard and Inman are pretty much the same prospect.

 

The Padres still made off better off in a deal for a set up man who's Ks are decling and HR's are stacking up. They got Inman along with 2 quality relief prospects, one of which is already in the Padres' pen

 

The Rangers got for an all-star type closer-- Clippard who had a cup of coffee in the majors (6.33 ERA in 6 starts for NY), and some guy named Brett Gardner that up until today, Ive never head of when discussing top prospects. I bet your bottom dollar that Texas had demanded Ellsbury or Lester for Gagne

[example1]

The Padres still made off better off in a deal for a set up man who's Ks are decling and HR's are stacking up. They got Inman along with 2 quality relief prospects, one of which is already in the Padres' pen

 

The Rangers got for an all-star type closer-- Clippard who had a cup of coffee in the majors (6.33 ERA in 6 starts for NY), and some guy named Brett Gardner that up until today, Ive never head of when discussing top prospects. I bet your bottom dollar that Texas had demanded Ellsbury or Lester for Gagne

 

The price is really too high for anything in this market. This is a seller's market, but the only sellers appear to be really overplaying their hand. By comparison, guys like WMP, Hinske and Crisp could get quite a bit of interest. I wonder if the sox are thinking about being sellers.

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/07/29/dye_has_tools_sox_need/

 

Just f***ing wow, according to Nick Carfado, Hideki Okajima wouldve been one of the players the White Sox were asking for. So with the previous report (Sean MaCAdams), Kenny Williams was asking for players such as Clay Bucholz, Jacoby Ellsbury AND Hideki Okajima for a 2 month rental of Jermaine Dye? The article now goes on to say that they just might settle on Bobby Kielty... but also there are still no takers for Wily Mo with just 2 days away. The question is will they get any deal done at all? Or will it be like last year and standing pat with what they have?

 

I swear Theo must be an ass or something around the GMs, because the asking price is sky high with all other teams when it comes to the Sox.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AnrKBviOpsXcoI0X7LPcvSaFCLcF?slug=ap-devilrays-astrostrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

 

 

 

Astros get infielder Ty Wigginton from Devil Rays for reliever Dan Wheeler

 

By CHRIS DUNCAN, AP Sports Writer

July 28, 2007

 

HOUSTON (AP) -- Hoping for more offensive production from their infield, the Houston Astros acquired Ty Wigginton from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays on Saturday for relief pitcher Dan Wheeler.

 

Wigginton was hitting .275 with 16 homers and 49 RBIs in 98 games this season. Last year, he had a career-high 24 homers and 79 RBIs.

[example1]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/07/29/dye_has_tools_sox_need/

 

Just f***ing wow, according to Nick Carfado, Hideki Okajima wouldve been one of the players the White Sox were asking for. So with the previous report (Sean MaCAdams), Kenny Williams was asking for players such as Clay Bucholz, Jacoby Ellsbury AND Hideki Okajima for a 2 month rental of Jermaine Dye? The article now goes on to say that they just might settle on Bobby Kielty... but also there are still no takers for Wily Mo with just 2 days away. The question is will they get any deal done at all? Or will it be like last year and standing pat with what they have?

 

I swear Theo must be an ass or something around the GMs, because the asking price is sky high with all other teams when it comes to the Sox.

 

Teams aren't going to consistently ask for WMP and David Murphy when the Sox have Ellsbury and Buchholz. They are always going to ask for the top tier guys and we will see if they back off as we approach the deadline. It is very much like the Angels the past few years: people thought they needed to make a big move, and they had the pieces to do it, but the Angels were reluctant to let go of any of like 5 different players. It is a good long term approach, especially given the success this team is having anyway.

 

I think this deadline should be about injury protection.

[riverside sluggers]

Teams aren't going to consistently ask for WMP and David Murphy when the Sox have Ellsbury and Buchholz. They are always going to ask for the top tier guys and we will see if they back off as we approach the deadline. It is very much like the Angels the past few years: people thought they needed to make a big move, and they had the pieces to do it, but the Angels were reluctant to let go of any of like 5 different players. It is a good long term approach, especially given the success this team is having anyway.

 

I think this deadline should be about injury protection.

 

I fully realize that. Im just tired of hearing some team asking the Sox for the moon for one guy... then see them turn around to another team and deal him off for lower tier players

 

EDIT:

Matt Murton, a mysterious scratch from Saturday's lineup, is again absent for Sunday's game.

 

The Cubs have Mark DeRosa playing in Cliff Floyd's place in right field. The team said last night that Murton was scratched to so that Floyd could have today off, and it was assumed -- not only by us, but also by the Sun-Times -- that they meant Murton would get the start today. That he's again out of the lineup could mean he's being traded, perhaps to the Orioles in a Jay Payton deal. Payton, incidentally, is not in Baltimore's lineup today.

 

Hmmm

[TheKilo]

Murton's in the lineup tonight.

[example1]

No real updates to be found except this, which says that if they don't make a big move it isn't for lack of effort:

 

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=1014354&srvc=sports

 

One GM said that, from what he’d been told, the Sox had the best offers on the table for both Dye and Gagne.

 

I think these guys would be a significant and powerful addition to the team. Last year Dye was better than Sheffield is this season, and Sheff was a pretty considerable addition. The problem with Dye is that he doesn't have the same track-record that a guy like Sheff has. He doesn't really compare to other players: when he plays well he is one of the better hitters in baseball, at other times he has an alarmingly low OBP and doesn't hit that well. I know he had a great year last year, but he may deserve to be a part-time OFer for this team. Drew is a better player overall, but he isn't producing the way he is expected to.

 

As for getting Gagne, yes, make it happen if it doesn't involve Delcarmen. If they are convinced that Gagne is healthy then maybe even they could trade Manny D. I think Gagne would be such a big addition to this team. In any must win game the sox SP can go through 6 and then leave it to Okajima, Gagne and Papelbon to shut it down.

[riverside sluggers]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/07/31/tuesday.scoop/

 

The Sox are right now the leading team in the 3 team race (Red Sox, Yankees, Mets) to acquire Gagne. Whats blocking right now is that Boston is on his no trade list (and he wants to close), so the Sox would have to consult with him as the clock ticks away

[Cocos Disciples]

I thought I read that Boston was not in fact on his no trade list.

[jacksonianmarch]

I thought I read that Boston was not in fact on his no trade list.

 

Nope. The Yankees are not on his limited no-trade, but Boston is. If the sox acquire Gagne, they would likely have to guarantee him the 3 mil in incentives he can make as a closer.

[jacksonianmarch]

So, the Yankees are apparently still trying to pry Betemit from the Dodgers for Proctor.

 

WHAT IN GODS GREEN EARTH MAKES YOU THINK PROCTOR IS DISPENSABLE???

 

Farnsworth just imploded to the media. Our pen sans Vizcaino and Mariano have been atrocious. Proctor has been serviceable and able to eat lots of innings. Why the hell would we deal him for a utility player? I like this deal if we were dealing from a strength, but we arent.

[BSN07]

You mean you like the deal if you bending the other team over a barrel and making them grab there knees like usual? Why not deal Proctor off? Hes been used a ton with avg success and his arm will probably fall off come september and be useless anyway.

[jacksonianmarch]

You mean you like the deal if you bending the other team over a barrel and making them grab there knees like usual? Why not deal Proctor off? Hes been used a ton with avg success and his arm will probably fall off come september and be useless anyway.

 

Well, dealing from a financial advantage has its upside. But this team needs to be put together "Torre-proof". Proctor allows that to some degree. He is a rubber armed reliever and Torre demands that from all of his relievers. Hence, getting rid of him means more strain on the rest of the pen, which hasnt been all that fabulous either.

[Cocos Disciples]

Rumors floating around:

 

Adam Dunn to Washington

Carlos Silva to Cubs/Braves/Diamondbacks/Mets

David Eckstein to San Diego

Jonny Gomes to Somewhere

Al Reyes to Seattle for Jeff Clement

Jack Wilson to Detroit

Rocco Baldelli to Cubs

Bronson Arroyo to Braves

[Rdsxmbnt]

Rumors floating around:

 

Al Reyes to Seattle for Jeff Clement

 

really? where did you hear that, if Clement is on the block Id hope the Red Sox take a good look at him for MannyD or someone.

[Cocos Disciples]

I saw the rumor on the U.S.S. Mariner blog.

 

http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/31/trade-deadline-thread/

[BoSox21]

Rotoworld is saying the Mets are going after Chad Cordero pretty hard

 

also, the Mets and Yankees look like they're gonna fall out out the Eric Gagne race soon

[BoSox21]

Padres have jumped into the pool acquiring Rob Mackowiak from the White Sox and Morgan Ensberg from the Astros