Catch-All Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[redsoxrules]

What do you mean? Why isn't he the answer? He has as much potential in any particular situation as Hinske does, and certainly a lifetime of production after that.

 

I don't get you man. The whole point is to make your team better. The FO knows that they can do things to put themselves in a position to win the WS, but baseball is a fickle game and the best team does not always win. Their number 1 goal is to be viable year after year. Their number 2 goal is to be able to make a WS push if necessary.

 

I think that without knowing what the proposal is you are jumping the gun a bit on a 'don't need him' approach. Who doesn't need a guy like LaRoche. The Dodgers have a good system, so to be their best prospect is pretty impressive.

 

It's a rumor, no big deal. I think if the sox can get a guy like LaRoche for bullpen help not named Papelbon, Okajima or Delcarmen then they should do it.

 

so does every top prospect becomes a superstar? id rather go for a proven player at this point, if you can get laroche for a great deal , then yes do it . but if thats the only deal we were to make at the deadline, this team wouldn't be improved

[redsoxrules]

in other news , kenny lofton back to cleveland

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070727&content_id=2112607&vkey=trade2007&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[Khan]

Somebody just told me Lofton went to Tex. I think he had his head up his ass and ment Clev. Just want to confirm where Lofton is?

[Cocos Disciples]

Lofton already was in Texas. He went to Cleveland.

[Khan]

Yeah, this guy had it flipped.

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07272007/sports/yankees/its_ty_for_trade_yankees_george_king.htm

 

The Yankees and Devil Rays are moving closer to a Proctor for Wigginton trade

[Cocos Disciples]

What will Joe Torre do without Scott Proctor?????

[schillingouttheks]

Wait a minute. So the Rays have the nerve to ask for Delcarmen AND Masterson from the Sox for Wigginton, but they'll send him to the Yanks just for Proctor? What the f***?

[riverside sluggers]

Beats me

 

Remember back when the Sox biefly had Andy Marte? They tried to deal him off to Tampa Bay for Lugo. The Sox quickly shot down Tampa's proposed deal of Andy Marte, Bronson Arroyo and a 3rd player

[TheKilo]

Wait a minute. So the Rays have the nerve to ask for Delcarmen AND Masterson from the Sox for Wigginton' date=' but they'll send him to the Yanks just for Proctor? What the f***?[/quote']

 

Why are we upset about this?

[schillingouttheks]

Why are we upset about this?

 

I don't really give a s***, it's just kind of weird how teams always seem to be willing to accept s*** from the Yanks. Last year with Craig Wilson too. Bobby Abreu was a salary dump, but still.

[riverside sluggers]

Some minor moves here:

 

roto

Padres signed infielder Shea Hillenbrand to a minor league contract.

Hillenbrand may be called up to serve as a reserve next month, but it'd be bad news for the Padres if he had any fantasy value at all. Viewed strictly as a pinch-hitter, he could be an asset, given his ability to make contact.

 

Brewers acquired RHP Seth McClung from the Devil Rays for RHP Grant Balfour.

The Brewers will see if a change of scenery does McClung some good. McClung has the arm of a No. 3 starter or a closer, but the major league results of a typical Devil Rays hurler. Command is the biggest problem. He had a 1.99 ERA for Triple-A Durham this season, but that came with 43 walks in 58 2/3 innings. The Brewers will send him to Triple-A for now. Mike Maddux can try to turn him into the next Derrick Turnbow next spring.

 

Devil Rays acquired RHP Grant Balfour from the Brewers for RHP Seth McClung.

McClung had an ERA in Triple-A under 2.00 pretty much all year, but the Rays never provided him another chance after his disastrous spring, suggesting that they had given up on him. We'd still call them the losers in this deal, but at least they're getting another interesting reliever. Balfour had a 1.87 ERA and a 68/15 K/BB ratio in 43 1/3 innings between Double- and Triple-A this year before struggling in three appearances for the Brewers. He's undergone major shoulder and elbow surgeries and is a candidate for more arm problems, but there's a chance he'll establish himself as one of the Rays' top relievers. It wouldn't take much.

[jacksonianmarch]

I have no interest in Wiggy. NONE. Phillips is playing hot right now. Shelley Duncan has Wiggy's power and then some. We are stacked at 2nd, 3rd and OF. I dont want to give up what we NEED in bullpen and get a guy who will be an upgrade over Cairo and thats it.

[riverside sluggers]

Wiggy has pop, but no glove. Hed be an adventure for you guys to watch him in the field

 

roto

The Yankees have had serious discussions with the Rangers about Eric Gagne, two major league sources told Newsday.

 

The Rangers have interest in Ian Kennedy and Jeffrey Marquez. They might want those two and more in return for their closer. Since they're not insisting on Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain -- as they were in Mark Teixeira talks -- perhaps a trade is a possibility. The Yankees have about as much minor league pitching depth as any team in baseball.

 

Dan Johnson has been out of the starting lineup four straight games and isn't sure about his future with the A's.

 

"I really don't know what's going on," Johnson said. "I'm getting stir crazy right now. It's just the way it is, I'm still getting paid to play the game - or watch the game, I guess - so I can't complain. I still have a job. I'd just like to participate more at my job." A deal is looming as a larger possibility. ESPN's Buster Olney thinks he'll go to the Yankeees.

[example1]

Wiggy has pop, but no glove. Hed be an adventure for you guys to watch him in the field

 

roto

 

That would be a great move for the Yankees. When's Gagne's next scheduled year-long DL stint?

 

I hope Gagne likes playing poker and hanging out with guys like Carl Pavano while watching the Yankees on TV.

 

Clearly, I have no faith that Gagne would be a long term impact for the Yankees. It is very much how I fell about Dotel going somewhere too. He's great when he's throwing, but how long can you reasonably expect that--at the cost of two decent young 'specs??

[TheKilo]

Ty Wigginton is not the answer for the Yanks. I wouldn't say the Yanks are "stacked" in the OF OR 2nd, but they don't need him.

 

If they want to trade away Proctor more power to them.

 

Thing is, if Proctor thinks he's overworked in NYY he'd pitch every f***ing day in Tampa. He'd easily be their best reliever.

[ksushi]

Is Gagne going to the Yankees? I feel so out of the loop...

[jacksonianmarch]

Is Gagne going to the Yankees? I feel so out of the loop...

 

sounds like they are close. The names being tossed around are Kennedy and Marquez. i would be WICKED pissed if we dealt those 2 away for a 3 month rental for a pennant race that we are still trailing by a wide margin. If they make this deal, they need to sign Gagne for a few seasons. because Kennedy will be a good one, and adding a guy like Marquez, who is a young sinkerballer who is pitching very well in AA, would be an absolute travesty.

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/rays-deal-cantu-to-reds/

 

The Reds have acquired Jorge Cantu from the D-Rays for lefty Brian Shackelford and righty Calvin Medlock

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07272007/sports/yankees/its_ty_for_trade_yankees_george_king.htm

 

The Yankees and Devil Rays are moving closer to a Proctor for Wigginton trade

 

Ty Wigginton has been scratched from Saturday's lineup, likely because of a trade.

 

The Red Sox have to be pleased to see Wigginton out of there with them throwing left-hander Jon Lester tonight. Boston is one of the teams that has been linked to Wigginton, but it's more likely that he's going to the Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers or Twins.

 

update from nesn, damn unexpected trade... Wigginton to the Astros for Dan Wheeler. He is actually a former D-Ray, having pitched for them in parts of 3 seasons from 1999-2001

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6331/career;_ylt=AnPAnX0jjjLBpu43JCwMvdKFCLcF

[example1]

update from nesn, damn unexpected trade... Wigginton to the Astros for Dan Wheeler. He is actually a former D-Ray, having pitched for them in parts of 3 seasons from 1999-2001

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6331/career;_ylt=AnPAnX0jjjLBpu43JCwMvdKFCLcF

 

Pretty meaningless deal when it's all said and done.

[jacksonianmarch]

Brett Gardner, the CF for AAA Scranton who is essentially an Ellsbury type prospect with less power was held out of the lineup today. At the same time, Jeff Marquez and Ian Kennedy both threw today and went 6 innings apiece. Both of them were considered possible moving parts and their starting today likely means that nothing is imminent with either of them.

[TheKilo]

Brett Gardner' date=' the CF for AAA Scranton who is essentially an Ellsbury type prospect with less power was held out of the lineup today. At the same time, Jeff Marquez and Ian Kennedy both threw today and went 6 innings apiece. Both of them were considered possible moving parts and their starting today likely means that nothing is imminent with either of them.[/quote']

 

Wait, just because they threw on their scheduled days means they aren't going to be traded?

 

How in the f*** does this make any sense at all?

[jacksonianmarch]

Wait, just because they threw on their scheduled days means they aren't going to be traded?

 

How in the f*** does this make any sense at all?

 

That is not what I said at all Kilo. I said that their starting today likely means nothing is imminent with them. If there was a deal that was imminent, they would not have made their start. Just like Gardner if he is in fact being dealt. Doesnt mean they wont strike a deal tomorrow, just saying, right now. The fact that Gardner, who is not hurt or being rested to the best of my knowledge, was held out 2 days before the deadline and right when the reports of gagne to the yankees comes out, could mean something. All I am saying is, IF Gardner and Marquez are getting dealt, why hold one guy out and let the other, a pitcher, throw? It doesnt make sense.

 

Now, what I am worried about is that Gardner is moving with Horne for Gagne. That would be a monumental mistake IMO. Horne is solid. I'd move the younger, safer bet, but lower ceilinged Marquez before I consider moving Horne.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Brett Gardner' date=' the CF for AAA Scranton who is essentially an Ellsbury type prospect with less power was held out of the lineup today. At the same time, Jeff Marquez and Ian Kennedy both threw today and went 6 innings apiece. Both of them were considered possible moving parts and their starting today likely means that nothing is imminent with either of them.[/quote']

 

Ellsbury type prospect?? So Brett Gardner is considered a top 20 prospect in the minors??

[jacksonianmarch]

Ellsbury type prospect?? So Brett Gardner is considered a top 20 prospect in the minors??

 

No. But he is very similar. Gardner is technically faster in "speed rankings" which are mostly made off of 40 and 60yd times, but Ellsbury is the better baserunner as evidenced by his huge SB lead. Gardner takes more walks but also K's more. Ellsbury hits more doubles while Gardner is mostly a singles hitter. Neither will hit a lot of homers. Neither will be big SLG guys. Both could get on base their fair share and both will steal bases. But Ellsbury is clearly the better prospect, no question. But they are rather similar.

[TheKilo]

That is not what I said at all Kilo. I said that their starting today likely means nothing is imminent with them. If there was a deal that was imminent, they would not have made their start. Just like Gardner if he is in fact being dealt. Doesnt mean they wont strike a deal tomorrow, just saying, right now. The fact that Gardner, who is not hurt or being rested to the best of my knowledge, was held out 2 days before the deadline and right when the reports of gagne to the yankees comes out, could mean something. All I am saying is, IF Gardner and Marquez are getting dealt, why hold one guy out and let the other, a pitcher, throw? It doesnt make sense.

 

Now, what I am worried about is that Gardner is moving with Horne for Gagne. That would be a monumental mistake IMO. Horne is solid. I'd move the younger, safer bet, but lower ceilinged Marquez before I consider moving Horne.

 

Haha why would that make a deal less imminent? You're telling me they wouldn't make a trade with the Yankees because Kennedy and Marquez pitched today?

 

Do you read what you write sometimes?

[jacksonianmarch]

Haha why would that make a deal less imminent? You're telling me they wouldn't make a trade with the Yankees because Kennedy and Marquez pitched today?

 

Do you read what you write sometimes?

 

that is not what I am saying.

 

I am saying the yankees wouldnt start a player if a deal was imminent. Why risk sending the kid out there and getting hurt if a deal was on the table?

[jacksonianmarch]

Just heard one of those "The radio from XYZ said THIS TRADE IS DONE"

 

Take it for what it is worth, but News Radio 1080 KRLD in Dallas announced that the yankees will send Brett Gardner and Tyler Clippard to Texas for Gagne.

[TheKilo]

Just heard one of those "The radio from XYZ said THIS TRADE IS DONE"

 

Take it for what it is worth, but News Radio 1080 KRLD in Dallas announced that the yankees will send Brett Gardner and Tyler Clippard to Texas for Gagne.

 

That's a horseshit deal for the Rangers.