Craig Hansen?

[Fire_Theo]

Does this guy have any trade value left? Is he going to be able to help the big league team at all? What is going on with Hansen?

[jacksonianmarch]

Theo screwed up on him. LOL.

[Fire_Theo]

theo should have traded him last july for roy oswalt instead of crying to the press about not having enough money to buy a good team. that's where theo screwed up with hansen.

 

but back to the original issue. is hansen done? or is he going to make a return? does he have any value in a trade at all?

[example1]

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/sp_bb_pawsoxjo29_06-29-07_Q066QQS.3557202.html

 

It looks like Hansen may have found his slider for a few games

 

The Sox have replenished their bullpen which allows them to treat Hansen and Delcarmen more gingerly. Anyone who has watched Delcarmen over the past 2 weeks can see why the Sox were excited about him. I don't think we have ever seen Hansen put it all together for more than an inning at a time. Both can hit the high 90s and have nasty secondary stuff. The problem has been with command.

 

If Hansen and Delcarmen can command 2 pitches they could be highly effective relievers. Also, Hansen may want to develop a splitter/forkball.

[BSN07]

There doing the best thing possible for Hansen right now, and thats leaving him in the minors. Hansen has all the skills, and the pitching goods, he was rushed last yr because we needed arms. So that in turn messed him up in the head and killed his confidence. And the dumass pitching coach last yr tried to tweak his mechanics and screwed that all up and made it impossible for him to throw a decent slider. My slider is better then what Hansen was throwing last yr...

[Teddyballgame10]

There doing the best thing possible for Hansen right now' date=' and thats leaving him in the minors. Hansen has all the skills, and the pitching goods, he was rushed last yr because we needed arms. So that in turn messed him up in the head and killed his confidence. And the dumass pitching coach last yr tried to tweak his mechanics and screwed that all up and made it impossible for him to throw a decent slider. My slider is better then what Hansen was throwing last yr...[/quote']

 

Well said, hes still very young let him develop.

[ksushi]

Hansen is a big dude with big stuff. He has a high 90's arm and that slider won't just dissappear. He'll finish the year in AAA and compete in ST for a bullpen spot and probably will get it because before he was rushed up here last year almost out of the gate he set the sox minor league consecutive scoreless inning record and didn't allow an ER in all of ST. The guy is a stud. He'll get it back or he will be a worse tradgedy than Cla Meredith when he is throwing pills in someone elses bullpen and we look bad.

[riverside sluggers]

Maybe Hansen is just one of those players who cant handle the pressure of having to play for Boston/New York teams

[ANiMAL]

Maybe Hansen is just one of those players who cant handle the pressure of having to play for Boston/New York teams

 

He was a closer in college ball. He SHOULD have the poise to play anywhere. I doubt he cant't not play in Boston/New York. This guy was brought up too early and that's why he did not do so good for the Sox last year. End of story.

[hoke3182]

He was a closer in college ball. He SHOULD have the poise to play anywhere. I doubt he cant't not play in Boston/New York. This guy was brought up too early and that's why he did not do so good for the Sox last year. End of story.

 

A closer in college is a lot different than trying to close a game for the sox vs. the yankees

[TheKilo]

Maybe Hansen is just one of those players who cant handle the pressure of having to play for Boston/New York teams

 

I totally agree. Craig Hansen is not enough of a Dirt Dig to play in Boston.

[SCM33]

I think he is a bust for what was advertised.. I would rather have them went out and drafted someone else and developed him rather than taking the guy who was "closest to the big leagues". This guy was supposed to be ready to play pro ball the same year he was drafted. Three years later and we are still waiting. Had they drafted another player we would be in the same exact position. Thinking back at it, I wish we didnt take a middle reliever with a 5 ERA in AAA with the number one pick.

[CrespoBlows]

I think he is a bust for what was advertised.. I would rather have them went out and drafted someone else and developed him rather than taking the guy who was "closest to the big leagues". This guy was supposed to be ready to play pro ball the same year he was drafted. Three years later and we are still waiting. Had they drafted another player we would be in the same exact position. Thinking back at it' date=' I wish we didnt take a middle reliever with a 5 ERA in AAA with the number one pick.[/quote']

 

Yeah, that's what the Red Sox were thinking when they drafted him.

 

"HAY, LOOK AT TIS GUY HANSON, HIZ UPZIDE IS A MINER LEAGUER!!"

 

"LOL, TAK HIM!"

[Cocos Disciples]

I think he is a bust for what was advertised.. I would rather have them went out and drafted someone else and developed him rather than taking the guy who was "closest to the big leagues". This guy was supposed to be ready to play pro ball the same year he was drafted. Three years later and we are still waiting. Had they drafted another player we would be in the same exact position. Thinking back at it' date=' I wish we didnt take a middle reliever with a 5 ERA in AAA with the number one pick.[/quote']

 

Ellsbury was their first pick in 2005, Hansen was 2nd. In that draft we also got Buchholz, Bowden and Lowrie. I'm willing to wait it out on Hansen. If he can develop a breaking ball, he'd be fairly effective.

[SCM33]

Yeah, that's what the Red Sox were thinking when they drafted him.

 

"HAY, LOOK AT TIS GUY HANSON, HIZ UPZIDE IS A MINER LEAGUER!!"

 

"LOL, TAK HIM!"

 

No need to be smirk. Just adding my opinion of him after we ate up what we were fed at the dinner table my friend. Was he not drafted because he was thought to be "the closest prospect in the draft ready for major league competition"? All I am saying is that he is a bust using that perspective. Nobody thought we would be here three years later wondering when he will turn the corner in AAA with an ERA around 5 and continuing to struggle with his control.

 

Could he turn out to be a very good MR pitcher? Yes, but he did not come as advertised....and I am sure many people would rather have taken other people in that draft who were available to them with their second pick.

 

Ellsbury was their first pick in 2005' date=' Hansen was 2nd. In that draft we also got Buchholz, Bowden and Lowrie. I'm willing to wait it out on Hansen. If he can develop a breaking ball, he'd be fairly effective.[/quote']

 

That kind of makes the point I was trying to make. Theres no harm in waiting, but he was drafted with the understanding that he was already ready. I also think there is a difference between "effective" and what they thought they were originally drafting.

[CrespoBlows]

No need to be smirk. Just adding my opinion of him after we ate up what we were fed at the dinner table my friend. Was he not drafted because he was thought to be "the closest prospect in the draft ready for major league competition"?

 

He made it to the big leagues, two months after signing his contract.

 

 

Could he turn out to be a very good MR pitcher? Yes, but he did not come as advertised....and I am sure many people would rather have taken other people in that draft who were available to them with their second pick.

 

The draft isn't an exact science, prospects tend to flame out.

 

And no, and the time Hansen was drafted, he was a top three talent in the draft. The sole reason he fell was because of his bonus demands.

[SCM33]

He made it to the big leagues, two months after signing his contract.

The draft isn't an exact science, prospects tend to flame out.

 

And no, and the time Hansen was drafted, he was a top three talent in the draft. The sole reason he fell was because of his bonus demands.

 

 

All of which you said is great Crespo....but the fact is, he was not ready, and is still not after 2+ seasons. In fact it appears hes taken steps backwards. You can defend it all you want but until he is on the big team producing I think its a bust when you compare it to what we were told we were drafting.

 

In the long term view will it be seen as a bust? Maybe not man.....but right now, how could you argue against it based on the information we got regarding him?

[a700hitter]

All of which you said is great Crespo....but the fact is' date=' he was not ready, and is still not after 2+ seasons. In fact it appears hes taken steps backwards. You can defend it all you want but until he is on the big team producing I think its a bust when you compare it to what we were told we were drafting.[/quote']He's a real long shot to be a consistent contributor at the ML level. The FO should hopre that he starts to show some promise again in AAA, and then trade him.

[zackredsox]

i think theo brought him up to early

[SCM33]

i think theo brought him up to early

 

In reality in terms of a players progression you are right. In this circumstance however, thats wrong. He was not brought up early if you listen to what we were told when we drafted him at the time. He was supposed to be ready. Thats all we were fed. Thats why we drafted him. We were having serious bullpen issues at the time, and they thought he could immediately help them until he ran into arm trouble. Like I said before, he was supposed to be ready, and instead we are still waiting two years later while other players from that draft have moved up ahead of him in our system including guys who just learned how to pitch 3 or 4 years ago like Edgar Martinez.

 

Nobody could wait until he stepped on the mound for the first time. Thats why I think he was just never all that good to begin with. College pitcher with blazing fastball, no secondary pitch and complete lack of control = big league meat.

[a700hitter]

He's still only 23. The big dudes like him take longer to get consistent with their delivery.

[Khan]

I have not heard anything of Hansen of late, and was just wondering about him. While I am disappointed he has not returned, I seem to count more along the lines of a year and a half to two years than three. Also Sox pitchers seem to have a problem making that transition (Pap is an exception) from triple A to the bigs. That seems to be more reflective of coaching than talent. Hansen from my memory was closest - obviously not ready. Now he is damaged and a project. Still he has talent and I'm willing to give him another shot.

[Teddyballgame10]

He's still only 23. The big dudes like him take longer to get consistent with their delivery.

 

f***ing thank you, I have said it 100 times, why is everyone ready to abandone ship on this kis.

[a700hitter]

f***ing thank you' date=' I have said it 100 times, why is everyone ready to abandone ship on this kis.[/quote']The price would have to be right. They shouldn't give him away or take a bag of balls for him.

[SCM33]

f***ing thank you' date=' I have said it 100 times, why is everyone ready to abandone ship on this kis.[/quote']

 

.....yet his value is almost nothing at this point. He has been the PawSox worst pitcher halfway through the season.

[MarkTaylor]

is his progression backwards because he was brought up too early (and stayed up here in '06) or is it natural?

[jacksonianmarch]

5.5 ERA, 2.06WHIP, 6.5 BB per 9 and a .305 BAA. There is no saving grace for this guy, he has completely and totally regressed. Remember, last yr he dominated AAA.

[Khan]

What about the Borass and his coaches thing?

[ORS]

There's some chatter about Gammo's recent story that references a possible Boras influence. Apparently, Boras has his own developmental staff for things like nutrition, conditioning, and mechanics. The overall theme is, several young pitchers he represents, Hansen, Hochevar, Pelfrey, and others, have changed their mechanics contrary to what the organization is teaching. The general reasoning is that Boras is teaching them something that will prolong their careers, even if it impacts their performance, because OK pitchers who can go forever make more than those who are good but get hurt out of the gate.

[jacksonianmarch]

There's some chatter about Gammo's recent story that references a possible Boras influence. Apparently' date=' Boras has his own developmental staff for things like nutrition, conditioning, and mechanics. The overall theme is, several young pitchers he represents, Hansen, Hochevar, Pelfrey, and others, have changed their mechanics contrary to what the organization is teaching. The general reasoning is that Boras is teaching them something that will prolong their careers, even if it impacts their performance, because OK pitchers who can go forever make more than those who are good but get hurt out of the gate.[/quote']

 

well, good for him then. He is building a group of okay players for top dollar. What a douche.