J.D. Drew

[Gibsons 67 World Series]

He's had two good years so far. Atlanta and last year.

 

2004 with Atlanta: .305, 31HR, 93RBI

2006 with L.A.: .283, 20HR, 100RBI

 

31 homers is good, and you always love to have a couple 30HR/100RBI guys on your team if you want to compete. But it's no reason to break the bank. Plus he's only produced well when he's looking for a contract...now he's locked in a long-term deal. Good luck with that.

[EvilDonut]

If anyone is still looking for team/player salaries, here is the ESPN list

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=bos

[schillingouttheks]

2004 with Atlanta: .305, 31HR, 93RBI

2006 with L.A.: .283, 20HR, 100RBI

 

31 homers is good, and you always love to have a couple 30HR/100RBI guys on your team if you want to compete. But it's no reason to break the bank. Plus he's only produced well when he's looking for a contract...now he's locked in a long-term deal. Good luck with that.

 

...you didn't quote the second part of my post, so I'll do it for you.

 

He's had two good years so far. Atlanta and last year.

 

However, that doesn't excuse the bloated contract.

[CrespoBlows]

2004 with Atlanta: .305, 31HR, 93RBI

2006 with L.A.: .283, 20HR, 100RBI

 

31 homers is good, and you always love to have a couple 30HR/100RBI guys on your team if you want to compete. But it's no reason to break the bank. Plus he's only produced well when he's looking for a contract...now he's locked in a long-term deal. Good luck with that.

 

What about these years?

 

2000 - .299/.401/.479/.870

2001 - .323/.414/.613/1.027

 

There's no question J.D. Drew is an injury risk, but he's loaded with talent.

[Gibsons 67 World Series]

I'm going to ignore any pro-Drew argument that uses his career OPS as a reason to legitimize his career. Of course his OPS is going to be great - he is the king of drawing walks, raking in meaningless bloop singles (especially in situations without men in scoring position or when the game is otherwise on the line) and sitting on the couch with mysterious "injuries"...add in his constantly high strikeout totals, and one could conclude that J.D. is great at doing nothing.

[schillingouttheks]

I'd rather have him strikeout than groundout with men on base in a force situation.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm going to ignore any pro-Drew argument that uses his career OPS as a reason to legitimize his career. Of course his OPS is going to be great - he is the king of drawing walks' date=' raking in meaningless bloop singles (especially in situations without men in scoring position or when the game is otherwise on the line) and sitting on the couch with mysterious "injuries"...add in his constantly high strikeout totals, and one could conclude that J.D. is great at doing [i']nothing[/i].

 

ISOP - .215

 

OPS with 2 outs/RISP - .881

 

OPS, close and late - .831

 

OPS, tie game - .911

 

OPS, RISP - .919

[Gibsons 67 World Series]

Good call. Personally, I'd like to see him not playing at all than being another in a long line of soulless, over-hyped, money-grubbing professional atheletes.

[ORS]

I always get a kick out of baseball arguments that involve how strikeouts from a middle of the order hitter are a bad thing. It's like setting the ball (argument metaphorically) on a tee for the opposition.

[Gibsons 67 World Series]

ISOP - .215

 

OPS with 2 outs/RISP - .881

 

OPS, close and late - .831

 

OPS, tie game - .911

 

OPS, RISP - .919

 

OPS when he walks once and injures himself by stubbing his pinkie toe on the way to first: 1.000

 

OPS is such a meaningless statistic when you talk about J.D. Drew. The only other player I can think of that is in a similar league is Jim Edmonds (speaking of overpaid <_>

 

The most telling "stat" about Nancy Drew's heart and professionalism is the one fantastic moment in the NLCS when he played for the Braves. He struck out late in a tight game (yeah, go figure) and was pouting on the bench. Adam LaRoche (I believe) hit a dramatic home run to win the game, and when Fox cut to a replay shot of the bench - everyone leapt up in celebration at the same time...except J.D., who was too busy pouting to notice that something had happened.

 

Hilarious.

[CrespoBlows]

All that being said, I would not have inked J.D. Drew to that long term deal. He's a very talented player, but only one projection at the beginning of the season had him hitting 20 HR's.

 

All of his HR's at Dodger Stadium were to right-center, which is the deepest part of Fenway Park.

 

That should have been a big f***ing red flag to Epstein and the front office.

[CrespoBlows]

OPS when he walks once and injures himself by stubbing his pinkie toe on the way to first: 1.000

 

OPS is such a meaningless statistic when you talk about J.D. Drew. The only other player I can think of that is in a similar league is Jim Edmonds (speaking of overpaid <_>

 

You said he didn't perform with RISP. He is actually better with RISP.

 

Why is this stat meaningless? You do know teams with the highest OPS, tend to be the best teams?

 

When it doesn't agree with you, you throw it out?

 

 

 

The most telling "stat" about Nancy Drew's heart and professionalism is the one fantastic moment in the NLCS when he played for the Braves. He struck out late in a tight game (yeah, go figure) and was pouting on the bench. Adam LaRoche (I believe) hit a dramatic home run to win the game, and when Fox cut to a replay shot of the bench - everyone leapt up in celebration at the same time...except J.D., who was too busy pouting to notice that something had happened.

 

At least he was passionate about making an out? He was showing soul, right?

 

The only time, I saw LaRoche hit a HR was in Game Four against the Astros. The Braves won 6-5, because of....? Oh, s***.

 

BRAVES 9TH: SPRINGER REPLACED PALMEIRO (PITCHING); Perez struck

out; Thomas struck out; Furcal was hit by a pitch; Furcal stole

second; Drew singled to center [Furcal scored]; Drew stole

second; Giles struck out; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Braves 6,

Astros 5.

 

[Gibsons 67 World Series]

Better with RISP? Better than what...his Mendoza-esque .240 average??

 

OPS is a good stat for the rest of baseball - just not players like Nancy Drew. No team has ever won a playoff series with Drew starting for their team. Teams are good with a great OPS, they're even better once they cut Drew and his crippling salary and malaise off their team.

 

I think you are the first person on earth ever to credit Drew for being passionate. Congrats.

[schillingouttheks]

No team has ever won a playoff series with Drew starting for their team.

 

Huh?

 

The most telling "stat" about Nancy Drew's heart and professionalism is the one fantastic moment in the NLCS when he played for the Braves. He struck out late in a tight game (yeah' date=' go figure) and was pouting on the bench.[/quote']

 

They must have advanced through the NLDS then, right?

 

EDIT: If that was 2004, then you meant NLDS in your post I think. My apologies, my mistake.

[Gibsons 67 World Series]

Huh?

 

 

 

They must have advanced through the NLDS then, right?

 

EDIT: If that was 2004, then you meant NLDS in your post I think. My apologies, my mistake.

 

It was '04 and I did mean NLDS - sorry for the mix up.

[CrespoBlows]

Better with RISP? Better than what...his Mendoza-esque .240 average??

 

Please don't lie.

 

With RISP, his batting line is .292/.408/.511/.919.

 

You can look this up.

 

OPS is a good stat for the rest of baseball - just not players like Nancy Drew. No team has ever won a playoff series with Drew starting for their team. Teams are good with a great OPS, they're even better once they cut Drew and his crippling salary and malaise off their team.

 

Actually, the Cardinals won the 2000 NLDS with Drew in RF. They also won the 2002 NLDS with him in RF, as well.

 

In 2001, they ran into the Diamondbacks with Schilling and Johnson.

 

In 2002, they ran into the Giants with Schmidt, Rueter, and Ortiz.

 

In 2004, they ran into the Astros with Oswalt, Pettitte, and Clemens

 

Can't say I fault him that much.

 

I think you are the first person on earth ever to credit Drew for being passionate. Congrats.

 

In that situation*, he was passionate, correct?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*May be incorrect

[Gibsons 67 World Series]

Wait...your avatar says "I did nothing today and still got paid". Are you defending J.D. Drew because you are, in fact, J.D. Drew?

[CrespoBlows]

Wait...your avatar says "I did nothing today and still got paid". Are you defending J.D. Drew because you are' date=' in fact, J.D. Drew[/i']?

 

I wish.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm astounded when considering how brutal Sawks fans were to Edgar Renteria when he came over to Boston - yet they still haven't run Nancy Drew out of town.

 

Renteria - 5/5 1 HR 2 RBI's.

 

[schillingouttheks]

Never should have given up on him. He didn't meet expectations but he's probably the best option out of the SS show we've had for the past 3 years.

 

I hate thinking about what he could have done in '06 for us.

[Gibsons 67 World Series]

Sorry to go off on a tangent - but seeing as J.D. is a man of faith, I wonder if J.D. is extorting teams for so much money so he can donate it all to local churches? I mean, a man so close to his faith wouldn't have much more need for material things, yes?

 

I apologize...that gripe could be said about plenty of professional athletes. The "faith" thing is just another perk in the gigantic fraud package that is J.D. Drew. No one in baseball ignites such rage in me as that guy...not Carlos Zambrano, not Rickey Henderson, not Howard "cork-in-the-bat" Johnson and the entire Mets' '86 roster. If J.D. Drew and Satan himself were playing catch in foul territory and I had only one battery to throw...my eyes would be squarely locked on #7.

 

I hate J.D. Drew even more than Barry Bonds.

 

...

 

I'm sorry. That last line was uncalled for...

[seabeachfred]

The only time I've addressed Fred was to tell him to ignore the DBers who had a past with him. You're welcome to look at my posts to see if I've harassed him.

 

Like I said, I came here to talk baseball. It doesn't matter which team you follow. There's a few Sox fans and Brewers fans that post at DodgerBlues. And they talk baseball without any hostility there.

 

Rodney, your posts have been pretty damn good if I may say so myself and I don't think there are any Red Sox fans who have any beef with you, but there are a couple of your friends.....well, as long as we talk Red Sox, Yankee, Dodger, Angels, anyone baseball we all should be able to get along. Right now your Dodgers look like they can't hit s*** when they play the Angels, Padres or Giants and the Red Sox look like s*** with the bat when they face almost anybody. To me, I am only concerned that the Sox start hitting as they are capable of. I do wish, however, we could play a year in the NL West. I think we would have the thing sewed up by the 4th of July.

[CrespoBlows]

Rodney' date=' your posts have been pretty damn good if I may say so myself and I don't think there are any Red Sox fans who have any beef with you, but there are a couple of your friends.....well, as long as we talk Red Sox, Yankee, Dodger, Angels, anyone baseball we all should be able to get along. Right now your Dodgers look like they can't hit s*** when they play the Angels, Padres or Giants and the Red Sox look like s*** with the bat when they face almost anybody. To me, I am only concerned that the Sox start hitting as they are capable of. I do wish, however, we could play a year in the NL West. I think we would have the thing sewed up by the 4th of July.[/quote']

 

You got to be kidding me.

 

July 4th?

 

The Padres have the best pitching baseball. The Dodgers have the 3rd best. I doubt we'd even be five up at this point.

 

P.S. - Fred, they don't like you. Why do you respond to them? You just gave them more fodder to ridicule you.

[Rodney Harrison]

I neither know nor care what the beef was with Fred and the DBers that come here.

 

In any case, I doubt the Sox would win the NL West. In fact, I think it would be too close to call. Three of the NL's top four pitching staffs are in the NL West, and they're all within 1½ games of each other. The Red Sox do have the better offense, though.

[jacksonianmarch]

I neither know nor care what the beef was with Fred and the DBers that come here.

 

In any case, I doubt the Sox would win the NL West. In fact, I think it would be too close to call. Three of the NL's top four pitching staffs are in the NL West, and they're all within 1? games of each other. The Red Sox do have the better offense, though.

 

the sox would dominate the NL West, just like the yankees would over a full season. The NL West is, as always, the also ran division. The pitching may look nice, but the only guys from that division that are worth a damn on the mound are Peavy, Webb, and MAYBE Francis. Lowe is a mid rotation pitcher in the AL while he is a top rotation pitcher in the NL. Wells was toast in the AL and is toast here. Penny would get scorched in the AL. You have to admit that it is a much different ballgame over here and for the most part, a much tougher road to travel. Hell, RJ is coming back with half of a back and is pitching like an ace in the NL West. In the AL, the guy was a 4+-5 ERA pitcher.

[CrespoBlows]

the sox would dominate the NL West' date=' just like the yankees would over a full season. The NL West is, as always, the also ran division. The pitching may look nice, but the only guys from that division that are worth a damn on the mound are Peavy, Webb, and MAYBE Francis. Lowe is a mid rotation pitcher in the AL while he is a top rotation pitcher in the NL. Wells was toast in the AL and is toast here. Penny would get scorched in the AL. You have to admit that it is a much different ballgame over here and for the most part, a much tougher road to travel. Hell, RJ is coming back with half of a back and is pitching like an ace in the NL West. In the AL, the guy was a 4+-5 ERA pitcher.[/quote']

 

I assume we're talking about the Red Sox going to the NL West, not the NL West moving to the AL.

[schillingouttheks]

Rodney' date=' your posts have been pretty damn good if I may say so myself and I don't think there are any Red Sox fans who have any beef with you, but there are a couple of your friends.....well, as long as we talk Red Sox, Yankee, Dodger, Angels, anyone baseball we all should be able to get along. Right now your Dodgers look like they can't hit s*** when they play the Angels, Padres or Giants and the Red Sox look like s*** with the bat when they face almost anybody. To me, I am only concerned that the Sox start hitting as they are capable of. I do wish, however, we could play a year in the NL West. I think we would have the thing sewed up by the 4th of July.[/quote']

 

Don't look now or anything, but the Padres and the Dodgers are 1 and 2 as far as best records in the NL go.

[seabeachfred]

You got to be kidding me.

 

July 4th?

 

The Padres have the best pitching baseball. The Dodgers have the 3rd best. I doubt we'd even be five up at this point.

 

P.S. - Fred, they don't like you. Why do you respond to them? You just gave them more fodder to ridicule you.[/quote

 

Crespo, I respond to Rodney because he is a good guy, no problem with him at all.

 

As for the other stuff, maybe not July 4th. but, believe me, we would romp in that division. Some of that great pitching over there is great because most of the hitting teams in that division are very weak. I see it all the time out here. Yes, Peavy is a terrific pitcher, Webb is outstanding, Lowe is a gamer, and we all saw how this young Matt Cain can really bring it. However, after you get by their first and second pitchers there isn't that much out there that impresses me, and none of those teams can hit worth a damn except for the Rocks.

 

As for their not liking me, I take that as a badge of honor. Most of them really don't even know much about baseball at all; hell Metro Cowboy was trying to tell me the Dodgers swept the Giants at Dodger Stadium when it was the other way around. Can you imagine a Red Sox or Yankee fan on this board who doesn't know how each of this year's series' between the two teams came out? And you and I know why most of these guys are here anyway? It certainly isn't to add to the baseball dialogue.

 

BTW, like Kilo, I did NOT know you were a young guy entering college otherwise I would have been a helluva lot more tempered in my exchanges with you. When you're a teenager or a young man you can sew plenty of wild oats but when you're an old war horse like me you ought to be a little more mature that the way I came off.

 

I also don't post on DB except on occasion so their nonsense here doesn't bother me at all. Now, let's make it three-for-three tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully when I go down to San Diego this coming weekend the Sox will be playing solid baseball again.

[seabeachfred]

I neither know nor care what the beef was with Fred and the DBers that come here.

 

In any case, I doubt the Sox would win the NL West. In fact, I think it would be too close to call. Three of the NL's top four pitching staffs are in the NL West, and they're all within 1? games of each other. The Red Sox do have the better offense, though.

 

Rod, I was getting a little carried away with the July 4th stuff, but with four of the teams in your division weak hitting, it would make it easier for the Red Sox to deal with those teams. In the AL East we always have the Yankees to battle, and Toronto is a solid team, Baltimore is improving and I keep expecting with all the good young players they have that Tampa Bay will suddenly become a formidable team.

 

As for our offense, well, I'm wondering like most Red Sox fans when we are going to see it again. We haven't hit as we should.

[seabeachfred]

Don't look now or anything' date=' but the Padres and the Dodgers are 1 and 2 as far as best records in the NL go.[/quote']

 

Schill, let's for a minute just forget the Red Sox in this equation. Tell me this: What would the Yankees do in the NL West??????? They handled Webb right from the get-go, didn't they, and he is one of the very best in the league. I will say the NL West has become very competitive and should be a terrific race this summer, but none of those teams have to face the Yankees as we do or compete with them for victories. That right there should tell both of us something. And aside from the Mets and Braves, what real outstanding teams do you have in that league anyway? Everytime I look around ours I see Cleveland, Minnesota, Anaheim, the Yankees, the A's, and God knows who else.

 

Anyway, none of this is getting us anywhere. All we should concern ourselves with is getting a big "W" tomorrow and closing our the homestand 4-2. That would guarantee us going on the road with an 8.5 lead or better if the Mets beat the Yankees tomorrow evening.