Torre must go

[a700hitter]

The Boss has been waiting for two things to happen: 1. For the financial cost of firing Torre to become reasonable, and it now is, 2. For Torre's adoring legions to turn against him. That is also the case.

 

If he falls 8.5 games out by Monday, he's gone whether it looks desparate or not. It will look like a good move as the Yankees start to get people back from the DL and play better.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Boss has been waiting for two things to happen: 1. For the financial cost of firing Torre to become reasonable, and it now is, 2. For Torre's adoring legions to turn against him. That is also the case.

 

If he falls 8.5 games out by Monday, he's gone whether it looks desparate or not. It will look like a good move as the Yankees start to get people back from the DL and play better.

 

and our bullpen and team will start to play better. Torre has torpedoes this team. How in hell do you go to Proctor AGAIN last night.

[jacksonianmarch]

btw, the legions HAVE finally turned on him. You remember what I said about the yankee sites? You used to not be able to say anything about the team. I log on yesterday and to my delight, there were 4 threads about firing Torre ALREADY. The time is now. We are a MUCH better team than we are playing and that is on the manager.

[a700hitter]

Jackson, are you a little torn about wanting the Yankees to win today? If they lose today and tomorrow, you probably get rid of Clueless Joe. I can remember rooting against the Red Sox in the last year of Butch Hobson's disastrous reign. He was the worst manager in my memory, but the FO and fans seemed to like him. It took disastrous back to back seasons fo him to get canned.

[Jon_Papelboner]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mattingly is our new manager come monday. Especially if we lose tomorrow.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jackson' date=' are you a little torn about wanting the Yankees to win today? If they lose today and tomorrow, you probably get rid of Clueless Joe. I can remember rooting against the Red Sox in the last year of Butch Hobson's disastrous reign. He was the worst manager in my memory, but the FO and fans seemed to like him. It took disastrous back to back seasons fo him to get canned.[/quote']

 

torn isnt the word. If there was a way for us to win and get a new manager I'd take it. But if we had to lose some april games to get rid of our albatross of a manager, then do it. I hate Torre. And have hated him for 3 yrs now. Any other manager gets shitcanned in the Steinny era, but it seems Torre has some incriminating evidence against the felon as he hasnt gotten the axe. I know teams lose, and dont mind if we are beaten. But Torre has LOST too many games by his dumbass moves.

[Dana Kiecker]

You guys should be calling for the firing of Cashman.. hes the one that strangled this team .. he has no rotation, a Fruitbat that is old, and a landmine of short relief.. What can Joe really do?

 

Torre should have seen this coming and stepped down in the offseason, when he had the chance .. Then he could have let Mattingly look like the cornhole.. This team sucks, would you want to manage it?

[a700hitter]

The Yankees have three solid starters, a good bullpen, and a killer lineup. They are playing poorly now, but they will turn it around. Now, is the perfect time for the Boss to can Torre.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees have three solid starters' date=' a good bullpen, and a killer lineup. They are playing poorly now, but they will turn it around. Now, is the perfect time for the Boss to can Torre.[/quote']

 

no kidding

[jacksonianmarch]

It's time.

[a700hitter]

Yesterday's win may just have been enough to save Torre's job.

[Optimist]

I'd say it's late...

 

I wonder if Giradi's phone is ringing yet.

[Mr Crunchy]

why

can girardi pitch??

i thought he was a catcher

[rician blast]

So I guess Torre is responsible for Mussina's hammy? And pavano's vaginitis? And karsten's fibula?

 

While we're at it, it's his fault that Mienkxxxx is hitting about .150.

Torre is at fault for Damon's .229 BA.

He's the cause of Matsui's .207 BA.

What's up with Rivera and his 1 save and approx. 10.00 era? Gotta be Torre's doing.

 

You fkn guys kill me. The guy was blessed for years with all the pieces needed to win and when they did he got tons of credit. Now, with a pitching staff that rivals the KC Royals, and an offense that's underachieving, it's all his fault.

 

Baseball is a game of ups and downs, the Yanks are down right now, but they're never out, not in April. That being the case, don't you want the guy that "managed" your team to 4 WCs and many a playoff appearance at the helm?

[Gom]

So I guess Torre is responsible for Mussina's hammy? And pavano's vaginitis? And karsten's fibula?

 

While we're at it, it's his fault that Mienkxxxx is hitting about .150.

Torre is at fault for Damon's .229 BA.

He's the cause of Matsui's .207 BA.

What's up with Rivera and his 1 save and approx. 10.00 era? Gotta be Torre's doing.

 

You fkn guys kill me. The guy was blessed for years with all the pieces needed to win and when they did he got tons of credit. Now, with a pitching staff that rivals the KC Royals, and an offense that's underachieving, it's all his fault.

 

Baseball is a game of ups and downs, the Yanks are down right now, but they're never out, not in April. That being the case, don't you want the guy that "managed" your team to 4 WCs and many a playoff appearance at the helm?

 

You don't watch our team like we do. First of all, give me their team over the last 11 years and I would have probably won 4 championships myself.

 

My knock on Torre, and always has been, his mismanagement of the bullpen.

 

It's one thing if you are losing, or in a tied game. However, he takes his starting pitchers out when they have a 3 run lead in the sixth inning. It is precisely those games that costs the Yankees the tight games.

 

For example: Matsuzaka has not been good against the Yankees. He has just pitched better than his Yankee counterparts. As long as he had a lead, Francona kept him in, saved his bullpen for the next day. If Torre had a 5-2 lead in the 6th with Pettitte on the hill against Matsuzaka, he takes him out and brings in the bullpen. Roles reversed, Francona keeps Matsuzaka in. How hard is it to manage when you had Mendoza, followed by Stanton and Nelson, and then Rivera to shut the door, all in their prime years? The Yankees of the late nineties didn't need a manager, they needed a scorekeeper.

 

Torre hasn't realized one thing in ALL the years of managing.

 

Your bullpen is most effective if it stays in the bullpen.

[jacksonianmarch]

So I guess Torre is responsible for Mussina's hammy? And pavano's vaginitis? And karsten's fibula?

 

While we're at it, it's his fault that Mienkxxxx is hitting about .150.

Torre is at fault for Damon's .229 BA.

He's the cause of Matsui's .207 BA.

What's up with Rivera and his 1 save and approx. 10.00 era? Gotta be Torre's doing.

 

You fkn guys kill me. The guy was blessed for years with all the pieces needed to win and when they did he got tons of credit. Now, with a pitching staff that rivals the KC Royals, and an offense that's underachieving, it's all his fault.

 

Baseball is a game of ups and downs, the Yanks are down right now, but they're never out, not in April. That being the case, don't you want the guy that "managed" your team to 4 WCs and many a playoff appearance at the helm?

 

CF, when you watch the games on an individual basis, you can see his mistakes.

 

First of all, part of this pitching problem is his doing. He has used the pen wasy too much this yr. He utterly refuses to allow pitchers to go deeper into games. So even our wins are taxing on the pen.

[ANiMAL]

I swear at about 9PM every night i check to see if the Yanks are losing, and it always seems to be the 6th inning with Proctor in. I think Torre gets head from Proctor or something because i dont think he is that good to pitch 5 of every 7 days. Realistically he has made 15 appearences in 23 games. At this rate he'll be overworked by the end of May. He's also going to make approxiamtely 105 appearences this season. I think the overwork of Proctor is Torre's biggest fault.

Another knock on Torre, I'm sure any one member on talksox could manage the Yankees in the same timeframe Torre has and also won 4 World Series.

[Gom]

Exactly.

[ANiMAL]

It's not hard to think in the mind of a Yankee, especially because I am surrounded by tons of them.

[MANNYHOF24]

Steinbrenner: I believe in Joe Torre, per ESPNEWS.

[redsoxrules]

CF, when you watch the games on an individual basis, you can see his mistakes.

 

First of all, part of this pitching problem is his doing. He has used the pen wasy too much this yr. He utterly refuses to allow pitchers to go deeper into games. So even our wins are taxing on the pen.

 

well the reason he is going to the pen early in games is because the starters have been sucking big time , with the exception of a few games .

[jacksonianmarch]

Steinbrenner: I believe in Joe Torre' date=' per ESPNEWS.[/quote']

 

punch me in face now.

[yeszir]

punch me in face now.

 

Give me your address, I'd be happy to oblige.

[rician blast]

Jacks, I know you've been a Torre detractor even in years when they've been very successful and run away with the division...you've consistently stated that Torre is not a great in-game manager...so my comments aren't directed towards you. You've been very consistent in that regard.

 

I'm not claiming that Torre IS a good manager..I'm simply pointing out that many Yankee fans thought he was the greatest manager ever when they were dominant and now a month into the 2007 season, they say he sucks. Seems a bit hypocritical, and again, my comment is not towards ALL Yankee fans.

[VA Sox Fan]

As others have said.....how can you fire someone over injuries? Yank fans should be thankful it's (almost) May and not August, when the Sox were plagued with injuries last season (DUH?!?!)

 

This start may/will be difficult for them (or any team) to overcome. The pitchers arms are gonna fall off at this rate. Of course, I love it, but miss the competition.

 

Seriously though, it's early.

 

Torre is overated and even the YES ballwashers are questioning his moves during the game. Cashman should have advised everyone that this is a re-building season. But w/ the Yankees, you never know, it's early.

[Mr Crunchy]

did anyone see rivera in the 9th inning down 7-4 friday nite??

torre got him some work

he probably threw 30 pitches in 1/3ip with 4earned

the nite b4 down 6-0 proctor is in??

 

he sucks

ive been saying this for 10 years

he had several chances to manage and failed at every occasion with the exception of the team he inherited from bucky showalter and gene michael,this current team, favored 6 years in a row to win it all,has failed miserably and with the gross difference in payrolls someone should have fallen on the sword for this classic underachievment