2007 Spring Training Game Thread

[riverside sluggers]

Thats really optimistic, and Im a Pedroia supporter as they come. Im saying as of right now the same avg but 30 Doubles, 8 HRs, 50-60 RBIs

[riverside sluggers]

Beckett hurt by 2 errors in the 1st inning that led to 1 run. He gave up 1 hit, 1 walk, but Lugo had a throwing error while doing a double play, and youkilis misplayaed a grounder that ended up going behind him

[EvilDonut]

We were seriously spoiled with gonzo last year. How many errors does Lugo have this preseason?

[riverside sluggers]

Evil D, that was his 3rd in 15 ST games

 

Im loving what Ive seen from Beckett. He's pitching the way he should and breaking off some great curves. If he listens to Varitek more & uses his offspeed pitches, expect a comeback season for sure.

 

EDIT: Josh Beckett this spring in 5 starts (3-1, 3.10 ERA)

23.2 innings, 22 Hits, 13 Runs (8 ER), 4 Walks, 24 Ks

[Anuj09]

well Hansack got sent down leaving Snyder, Delcarmen, Hansen, Lopez and Corey for the last two spots - i kinda want Corey and Snyder to get them and let Delcarmen and Hansen get their confidence back in AAA

[riverside sluggers]

I think its a good shot Anuj that Corey & Snyder will get those 2 spots

 

Romero was whacked around in the 9th inning today giving up 5 runs. Mind you these 2 things, before today he had allowed just 1 run, and most of the batters he was facing were right handed.

 

Funny before his meltdown with 2 outs Jerry said that Tito envisions Romero as a lefty who can come in late in the game and get both lefties & righties out. Im sorry Tito but no thanks. That role is perfect for Okajima, Romero can just be the specialist please

[HeadOfSoxNation]

What's with Hansack getting sent down? I haven't seen many stats or anything this spring, but it seems to me that he did the most with the opportunities he was given last year. I'd feel just as confident with him being the 5th starter until Lester than I am with Tavarez.

[Anuj09]

heres the article from Redsox.com

 

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- One day, Devern Hansack was throwing three perfect innings in a start against the Devil Rays. The next, he was getting optioned back to Triple-A Pawtucket.

 

In this case of Sunday morning's transaction, it was not an injustice. Instead, the Red Sox were essentially telling Hansack how much they think of him by sending him to the Minor Leagues at this juncture of camp.

 

"Hansack, we want him to go start in Triple-A," said Red Sox manager Terry Francona. "That gives us the option where he can do both. If you put him in the bullpen, and then we need a starter, that rules that out, and we don't want to do that."

 

Last year at this time, Hansack wasn't even on the radar. The Red Sox had just signed him to a Minor League contract after a two-year absence from professional baseball.

 

But he had a good year at Double-A Portland, and after the Sea Dogs won the Eastern League championship, Hansack earned himself a promotion to Boston in mid-September. In the 2006 regular-season finale at Fenway, Hansack threw five no-hit innings in a rain-shortened victory over the Orioles.

 

"Last year, he wasn't even in camp," Francona said. "This year, there's disappointment that he didn't make the club. It's an unbelievable jump. He did a fantastic job this spring. He has a bright future. We tried to make sure he understood that."

 

Hansack, who hails from Nicaragua, is 29 years old. The Red Sox are convinced he can be a classic, late bloomer.

 

Does the club project him as a starter or a reliever?

 

"Either/or," said Francona. "Again, some of it will depend on how his maturity as a pitcher develops, but it may be needed at the Major League level, too."

 

In five appearances this spring, Hansack posted a 2.08 ERA. He struck out eight batters over his 8 2/3 innings of work.

 

"It's not fun to tell somebody that and see the disappointment, but he needs to go start," Francona said. "It's probably the right thing to do. I wanted him to get his three innings yesterday. We don't want a kid like that to come here and not pitch. That would hurt his development, [and] we don't need to do that."

 

The Red Sox made one other roster move on Sunday, assigning righty Mike Burns to Minor League camp. There are 36 players left in big-league camp. Mike Timlin and Matt Clement will both start the season on the disabled list, meaning the Red Sox have nine more cuts ahead of them.

[MANNYHOF24]

Beckett looked outstanding today. I really hope he carries this into the regular season. His 2 seamed fast ball looked very sharp today, and really made lefties look foolish. Also his breaking ball looked crisp.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Beckett looked outstanding today. I really hope he carries this into the regular season. His 2 seamed fast ball looked very sharp today' date=' and really made lefties look foolish. Also his breaking ball looked crisp.[/quote']

 

I noticed the same...I'm trying not to get too excited. It's so easy to see Tek batting in the freaking negatives and say "...but it's only spring training" but then you see guys like Beckett and Daisuke coming out mowing guys down and you get alllllllllll fired up. I'm doing my best to take everything with a grain of salt...both the good and the bad.

[a700hitter]

Pedroia still hitting .200. Loretta is hitting .333 for Houston. The Rookie Section in the Fantasy Baseball mag put out by CBS SPortsline.com has the following next to Pedroia's name: "Think Mark Loretta." We had Mark Loretta. We needed to find a new Mark Loretta? Does Loretta have such a high price tag? Sorry for bringing this up, but if scouts are sayuing that your upside is the guy you are replacing, then why are you relacing the veteran when he's not too expensive?

[MANNYHOF24]

Because pedroia is 23 and Lorreta is 35? Thats really the only reason I can think of. I still think he will hit around 270. which will be fine.

[riverside sluggers]

Spring Stats

 

Starters

Curt Schilling (1-1, 2.20 ERA)- 4 games, 16.1 innings, 12 Hits, 4 Runs, 2 Walks, 9 Ks

Josh Beckett (3-1, 3.04 ERA)- 5 games, 23.2 innings, 22 Hits, 13 Runs (8 ER), 4 Walks, 24 Ks

Daisuke Matsuzaka (1-1, 2.84 ERA)- 3 games, 12.2 innings, 9 Hits, 5 Runs (4 ER), 2 Walks, 13 Ks

Tim Wakefield (4.20 ERA)- 4 games, 15 innings, 23 Hits, 9 Runs (7 ER), 1 Walk, 10 Ks

Julian Tavarez (1-0, 3.55 ERA)- 7 games, 12.2 innings, 10 Hits, 7 Runs (5 ER), 7 Walks, 5 Ks

Combined (6-3, 3.15 ERA)- 80.1 innings, 73 Hits, 38 Runs (28 ER), 16 Walks, 61 Ks

 

Relievers

Javier Lopez (1-0, 0.93 ERA)- 7 games, 9.2 innings, 8 Hits, 1 Run, 2 Walks, 6 Ks

Bryan Corey (1-0, 1.50 ERA)- 10 games, 12 innings, 9 Hits, 2 Runs, 7 Ks

Hideki Okajima (1.69 ERA)- 8 games, 10.2 innings, 7 Hits, 2 Runs, 3 Walks, 10 Ks

Jonathan Papelbon (0-1, 2.31 ERA)- 4 games, 11.2 innings, 8 Hits, 3 Runs, 3 Walks, 16 Ks

Kyle Snyder (2.89 ERA)- 5 games, 9.1 innings, 10 Hits, 3 Runs, 4 Walks, 10 Ks

Joel Pineiro (1-0, 3.38 ERA, 1 save)- 9 games, 10.2 innings, 13 Hits, 5 Runs (4 ER), 5 Walks, 6 Ks

Brendan Donnelly (0-1, 6.23 ERA)- 9 games, 8.2 innings, 10 Hits, 6 Runs, 5 Walks, 8 Ks

J.C. Romero (0-1, 6.23 ERA)- 8 games, 8.2 innings, 8 Hits, 7 Runs (6 ER), 4 Walks, 7 Ks

Combined (3-3, 2.62 ERA. 1 save)- 72.1 innings, 73 Hits, 29 Runs (27 ER), 26 Walks, 70 Ks

[a700hitter]

Because pedroia is 23 and Lorreta is 35? Thats really the only reason I can think of. I still think he will hit around 270. which will be fine.

I'll be ecstatic if he hits .270.

[riverside sluggers]

Yawn, did I miss anything guys? Oh its just the usual, 700 being a broken record about Pedroia

[a700hitter]

Yawn' date=' did I miss anything guys? Oh its just the usual, 700 being a broken record about Pedroia[/quote']Yeah, me and the scouts.

[TheKilo]

Yeah' date=' me and the scouts.[/quote']

 

Don't the scouts have much, much higher hopes than you do?

[a700hitter]

Don't the scouts have much' date=' much higher hopes than you do?[/quote']They say he will be another Loretta or Eckstein. Those are not high hopes.

[TheKilo]

They say he will be another Loretta or Eckstein. Those are not high hopes.

 

But you said you'd be ecstatic if Pedroia hit .270.

[ksushi]

Pedroia still hitting .200. Loretta is hitting .333 for Houston. The Rookie Section in the Fantasy Baseball mag put out by CBS SPortsline.com has the following next to Pedroia's name: "Think Mark Loretta." We had Mark Loretta. We needed to find a new Mark Loretta? Does Loretta have such a high price tag? Sorry for bringing this up' date=' but if scouts are sayuing that your upside is the guy you are replacing, then why are you relacing the veteran when he's not too expensive?[/quote']

 

You are using ST stats to prove an arguement. I wish I could ban you for that. Get a grip, man.

[a700hitter]

But you said you'd be ecstatic if Pedroia hit .270.

Yes, I would be ecstatic if he hit .270. The scouts who say that he could be a Loreeta or Eckstein

are setting that as his upper limit. They are not saying to expect 2007 Pedroia to be Eckstein or Loretta. We are giving a guy whose upper limit is the guy who we got rid of, who was already at that level. It just makes no sense to me, and it never will from a business standpoint. Of course it is perfectly clear to the Pedroia groupies.

 

Edit: Those other guys did not play a full season in the majors until they were 25 and 26. This kid is 23.

[a700hitter]

You are using ST stats to prove an arguement. I wish I could ban you for that. Get a grip' date=' man.[/quote']I'm not trying to prove anything. I just think it was foolishness to give the job to an unproven kid without any competition in camp. MDC, Hansen, Lester and others have had plenty of competition in camp, and they will probably not make it. This 23 year old has been handed the job on a high-powered high-paid team when he has done nothing to earn it. Yes, he has earned a roster spot by his minor league achievement, but not the starting position. I point to his ST average, because I am looking for a sign that he can succeed at this level. This is not Ramirez, Ortiz, or even Youklis-- all guys that have proved themselves in the majors and who use ST to get in shape. Coaches watch the young guys more, and you are kidding yourself if you don't think that Red Sox coaches, the FO and other team scouts aren't watching him more carefully that the veterans. This kid needs to show that he belongs.

[riverside sluggers]

They say he will be another Loretta or Eckstein. Those are not high hopes.

 

Actually he is a younger Mark Loretta (hard to strike out, good line drive contact, steady defense, 7-10 HR power). Wait now youre saying you dont want him to become a Mark Loretta type?

[jacksonianmarch]

Actually he is a younger Mark Loretta (hard to strike out' date=' good line drive contact, steady defense, 7-10 HR power). Wait now youre saying you dont want him to become a Mark Loretta type?[/quote']

 

I had heard David Eckstein without the talent. I have heard a younger Mark Loretta with more power. Those 2 are huge differences in spectrum and both are biased (one was the NY Post I believe and the other way the Boston Herald). We are in single digits until opening day (goosebumps rising as I type this), we will find out soon enough.

[a700hitter]

Wait now youre saying you dont want him to become a Mark Loretta type?

No, Iam not saying that. I am saying that he might be a year or two away from becoming a Mark Loretta type player. We could have kept the real Loretta until he proved he was ready.

[a700hitter]

During the Reds broadcast, the announcers mentioned how members of the Red Sox organization have mentioned that it was a mistake to have let AGon go, because Lugo is not in the same league defensively. I guess they could have gotten Lugo to play second base. BTW. With an 0 for 2 Pedroia has found last year's major league level of .191. Yeah, yeah I know I am being a broken record, but I need to vent. Don't worry. I will stop when he settles in and starts doing the job. I just wish he'd start hitting. He must have about 100 ABs which is good, because he's getting it out of his system-- Hopefully. Matsuzak has walked 4 in the first 4 innings. The Reds' announcers have said that his commmand is not good-- that his pitches are all over the place. He'll need his command against the AL East. Four walks will not cut it.

[jacksonianmarch]

During the Reds broadcast' date=' the announcers mentioned how members of the Red Sox organization have mentioned that it was a mistake to have let AGon go, because Lugo is not in the same league defensively. I guess they could have gotten Lugo to play second base. BTW. With an 0 for 2 Pedroia has found last year's major league level of .191. Yeah, yeah I know I am being a broken record, but I need to vent. Don't worry. I will stop when he settles in and starts doing the job. I just wish he'd start hitting. He must have about 100 ABs which is good, because he's getting it out of his system-- Hopefully. Matsuzak has walked 4 in the first 4 innings. The Reds' announcers have said that his commmand is not good-- that his pitches are all over the place. He'll need his command against the AL East. Four walks will not cut it.[/quote']

 

His track record says the command will be there. And while I am watching him throw, he is being worked for his walks. Thing is, his stuff is very solid.

[a700hitter]

Are his pitches all over the place, like they are saying.

[jacksonianmarch]

no, not really. He is being worked for his walks. Yeah, he is a little bit wild. But there is a big difference between wildness and being worked. The Reds are working him and Matsuzaka is just missing for the most part.

[redsoxrules]

During the Reds broadcast' date=' the announcers mentioned how members of the Red Sox organization have mentioned that it was a mistake to have let AGon go, because Lugo is not in the same league defensively. I guess they could have gotten Lugo to play second base. BTW. With an 0 for 2 Pedroia has found last year's major league level of .191. Yeah, yeah I know I am being a broken record, but I need to vent. Don't worry. I will stop when he settles in and starts doing the job. I just wish he'd start hitting. He must have about 100 ABs which is good, because he's getting it out of his system-- Hopefully. Matsuzak has walked 4 in the first 4 innings. The Reds' announcers have said that his commmand is not good-- that his pitches are all over the place. He'll need his command against the AL East. Four walks will not cut it.[/quote']

 

im concerned with pedroa as well but DK? give me a break he has a 2.16 era this ST, only has allowed 9 hits in over 17IP