RJ back to the Diamondbacks??

[Mr Crunchy]

i really question the yanks front office on several accounts

not so much trading admiral halsey and vasquez?? for rj

the arod move so he didnt land in boston was also special

the jeff weaver move was also repugnant then the contreras bonehead deal

 

i dunno

this is certainly not an exact science but they seemed to have reacting to bostons efforts as opposed to developing a system of their own

 

as jack and other yank fans have pointed out

steinbrenner may have finally played his last hand and this means 2 things to me

(1) this year we may get them because we spent and they didnt

(2) they will be solid for a generation if the felon isnt involved in day to day activities and this worries me

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I don't know the source of this quote but it is inherently illogical. Why would this enhance the chances of the Yankees getting Clemens? If the Yankees wanted to go after him' date=' were they any less likely to get him because Johnson was on the team? Presumably, the Yankees have more than enough money to pay Johnson and Clemens. If they wanted Clemens, the only thing impeding their chances of getting him is whether Houston wants him and the Rocket chooses to stay home, or he chooses to exploit the ,marketing opportunities in NE. These impediments remain whether or not Unit stays. I might agree that the Yankees will be more likely to pursue Clemens if Unit is traded, but if they want Clemens, trading Unit doesn't "enhance" their chances of getting Clemens.[/quote']

 

I agree about the money part. The Yanks could pay them both if they wanted to. However, if the reports are true that Clemens actually does not like RJ, then moving him definitely helps. It also creates an immediate opening for Clemens, although certainly the Yanks would bump Pavano or whoever else would end up in the 4 or 5 spot to make room for him..

[Cityofchampions33]

It also creates an immediate opening for Clemens

 

Who are going to put in the 5 hole until Clemens is ready?

[He Hate Me]

i really question the yanks front office on several accounts

not so much trading admiral halsey and vasquez?? for rj

the arod move so he didnt land in boston was also special

the jeff weaver move was also repugnant then the contreras bonehead deal

 

i dunno

this is certainly not an exact science but they seemed to have reacting to bostons efforts as opposed to developing a system of their own

 

the FO of recent years before Cashman's resigning was controlled in large part by the Tampa Bay faction who had no clue what they were doing and effectively removed the arrchitect of the 90's dynasty (Stick) from the Boss' inner circle. They were largely comprised of old blowhards who had a serious hard-on for the Mets and Red Sox. The bloated contracts and $200M payroll is proof of that as well as the acquisitons of RJ, Giambi, Brown, etc.

 

the FO, pre-Cashman reupping, lucked into a system and situation carefully built up from the ground by Stick and other good baseball people. Anything bad you have to say about them before 2005 I would completely agree with. You can change "seemed to have reacting to bostons efforts as opposed to developing a system of their own" to "They only knew how to OVERreact to bostons efforts as opposed to developing a system of their own"

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't know the source of this quote but it is inherently illogical. Why would this enhance the chances of the Yankees getting Clemens? If the Yankees wanted to go after him' date=' were they any less likely to get him because Johnson was on the team? Presumably, the Yankees have more than enough money to pay Johnson and Clemens. If they wanted Clemens, the only thing impeding their chances of getting him is whether Houston wants him and the Rocket chooses to stay home, or he chooses to exploit the ,marketing opportunities in NE. These impediments remain whether or not Unit stays. I might agree that the Yankees will be more likely to pursue Clemens if Unit is traded, but if they want Clemens, trading Unit doesn't "enhance" their chances of getting Clemens.[/quote']

 

rumor has it that Clemens HATES Johnson. Also, the yankees are about to make some concessions to the rocket (like skipping road trips, staying home etc) that RJ would have wanted, and the yankees were in no position to give him those as well.

[jacksonianmarch]

Who are going to put in the 5 hole until Clemens is ready?

 

Pavano, Karstens, and Rasner to start. Then maybe Hughes, Sanchez, Clippard, Ohlendorf, Owings, White if those 3 cannot do it. We have lots of MLB ready talent in our minors, a MLB vet in Pavano and two guys who got their feet wet last yr in Rasner and Karstens.

[arbitrary]

How long has Cashman been with the yankees?

[jacksonianmarch]

a long time. But he hasnt been in control for too long. Only a little over a yr. The Tampa faction was the defacto GM and Cashman had no power. That has since changed.

[Cityofchampions33]

Pavano' date=' Karstens, and Rasner to start. Then maybe Hughes, Sanchez, Clippard, Ohlendorf, Owings, White if those 3 cannot do it. We have lots of MLB ready talent in our minors, a MLB vet in Pavano and two guys who got their feet wet last yr in Rasner and Karstens.[/quote']

 

well without johnson you have moose, wang, pavano, and igawa no? are you not worried that you'll have to go through the first half of the season without a reliable 5th man? i mean if your raggin on us not having a closer, then im suprised its not collasal to maybe lose every 5th game (pending offensive production).

[jacksonianmarch]

you forgot pettitte.

[schillingouttheks]

you forgot pettitte.

 

Even with Pettite, that rotation has 2 unreliable (as it looks right now, and could end up) starting pitchers in Igawa and Pavano. Until Pavano grows a cock and balls, he's unreliable. And until Igawa proves himself, he's not necessarily unreliable, but rather unproven. He could also end up being unreliable. Matsuzaka's a different story because he has 20x the talent that Igawa does. What do you do if Pavano bombs and Igawa is inconsistent and a mediocre starter AT BEST? Those two scenarios are quite likely.

[arbitrary]

a long time. But he hasnt been in control for too long. Only a little over a yr. The Tampa faction was the defacto GM and Cashman had no power. That has since changed.

 

So he was still GM but had no power and didn't do jack? How the crap does that happen and then change to where he has power?

[jacksonianmarch]

Interesting rumor making the rounds on yankee fan boards.

 

The rumor is that the yankees are holding out for Medders because they want to package him with Melky and close the deal on Mike Gonzalez. Now that would be nice.

[jacksonianmarch]

Even with Pettite' date=' that rotation has 2 unreliable (as it looks right now, and could end up) starting pitchers in Igawa and Pavano. Until Pavano grows a cock and balls, he's unreliable. And until Igawa proves himself, he's not necessarily unreliable, but rather unproven. He could also end up being unreliable. Matsuzaka's a different story because he has 20x the talent that Igawa does. What do you do if Pavano bombs and Igawa is inconsistent and a mediocre starter AT BEST? Those two scenarios are quite likely.[/quote']

 

schill, the yankees had 2 holes in the rotation last yr and won 97 games. We had 2 good starters, a durable s***** starter, and 2 black holes. Right now, we should have 3 reliable starters, one durable starter and an open door at #5 for multiple candidates. Pavano had the rep of being a guy who ate innings before he ate dick. If he stays healthy, then this rotation will give the yankees exactly what they got during the championship yrs. Durable starting pitching, nothing spectacular individually but the sum of the parts will be great. If he doesnt, then we will get younger in the rotation, which is something we have needed to do for awhile. The funny thing is, if RJ is moved, then we will be without a 40+ yr old starter for the first time in a long time.

[ORS]

It appears NY not only has a teflon SS, but it also has a teflon GM. Every bad move gets pinned on Tampa, every successful one goes on the ledger for $$man. I think we, as Sox fans, should do the same thing. Lucchino can be the fall guy. Thoughts?

[jacksonianmarch]

So he was still GM but had no power and didn't do jack? How the crap does that happen and then change to where he has power?

 

his contract was up. He laid out what it would take to keep him. He has protection in his contract if he doesnt have the power he was promised. He laid it out. Give me power or watch me leave. George wanted to keep him.

[VA Sox Fan]

It appears NY not only has a teflon SS' date=' but it also has a teflon GM. Every bad move gets pinned on Tampa, every successful one goes on the ledger for $$man. I think we, as Sox fans, should do the same thing. Lucchino can be the fall guy. Thoughts?[/quote']

 

I'm game. We are already being compared to the Yanks with the Matsuzaka deal.

[arbitrary]

his contract was up. He laid out what it would take to keep him. He has protection in his contract if he doesnt have the power he was promised. He laid it out. Give me power or watch me leave. George wanted to keep him.

 

So how long was he powerless and then how long did he go unsigned for?

[Cityofchampions33]

We are already being compared to the Yanks with the Matsuzaka deal.

 

Yeah, that comparison really pisses me off

[jacksonianmarch]

So how long was he powerless and then how long did he go unsigned for?

 

I think he has been Yankee GM for 9 yrs. He didnt have a good rep until the early 2000s. His contract was up last October. He held out for a month and then signed on.

[jacksonianmarch]

they dont have a teflon GM anymore. Everything from last offseason on will be pinned on Cashman. His performance thus far was nice for now and the future.

[VA Sox Fan]

Yeah' date=' that comparison really pisses me off[/quote']

 

You and me both!

[jacksonianmarch]

nyynews is saying something interesting.

 

The Padres are making a late push for Randy Johnson. I did report that the players in the trade have been agreed to, but that does not mean the Padres cannot still land Johnson. I actually think the Yankees rejected the 72 hour window because the Padres may be offering a top prospect, a lower level prospect and Scott Linebrink. Trust me; the Yankees are going to get serious talent for Johnson.

[schillingouttheks]

Is that guy even reliable?

[TheKilo]

nyy news?

[jacksonianmarch]

not at all. But rumors are rumors. I just want this thing to end so we can do our spinoff deals for Gonzalez.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/01/03/sports/professional/padres/22_25_571_2_07.txt

 

here is a link that may be more reliable.

[a700hitter]

I wish this would get done. Get the prospects. Get Unit out of town, and good luck getting Roger.

[He Hate Me]

It appears NY not only has a teflon SS' date=' but it also has a teflon GM. Every bad move gets pinned on Tampa, every successful one goes on the ledger for $$man. I think we, as Sox fans, should do the same thing. Lucchino can be the fall guy. Thoughts?[/quote']

 

It is what it is. The whole Tampa vs. New York battle has been discussed to death on various Yankee boards and the NY papers. It's something that most Yankee fans are aware of.

[Manny Goes Boom]

If RJ does come back to Arizona, I think it'll be interesting what the reaction of the fans will be here, especially because he left for the money. I might even go to his first game. Granted they are all so dead anyway, they don't even cheer when an opposing pitcher blows his no hitter. So who knows what will happen.