Yankee Rotation

[a700hitter]

Protection? .280 20HR is not that scary. Protection was Nixon when he was nasty. Drew is a run of the mill 5 hole hitter with serious durability issues who is being way overpaid.

I'm not a big Drew fan, but he is an enormous upgrade over the five hole last year.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree with you on that.

 

Sox #5 hitters last yr .231 14HR 75RBI .321OBP and .683OPS

[riverside sluggers]

Wow haha Im actually seeing someone saying Nixon would provide better protection than Drew will. Look at the last 3 seasons and Drew stands out as a better offensive player in avg, obp, HRs, RBIs, and to top it off he has been more durable than Trot has. 2006 was one of the worst seasons the Sox have seen their #5 spot have, 2007 will be a 180

 

To think otherwise is complete foolishness

[jacksonianmarch]

Wow haha Im actually seeing someone saying Nixon would provide better protection than Drew will. Look at the last 3 seasons and Drew stands out as a better offensive player in avg, obp, HRs, RBIs, and to top it off he has been more durable than Trot has. 2006 was one of the worst seasons the Sox have seen their #5 spot have, 2007 will be a 180

 

To think otherwise is complete foolishness

 

that is not what I am saying. I said Nixon in his prime is better than Drew. Sadly, Nixon is past his prime.

[Cocos Disciples]

Nixon is better than Drew when they're both in their prime, or when Nixon is and Drew isn't? Losing me here...

[jacksonianmarch]

I am saying that Nixon in his prime is better than Drew. Right now, Drew is better than Nixon.

[ORS]

that is not what I am saying. I said Nixon in his prime is better than Drew. Sadly' date=' Nixon is past his prime.[/quote']

That statement proves you don't know what you are talking about. Nixon's peak had him at about an .880 OPS annually, with a one time high of .974. Drew's career average is .905 with a peak of 1.027 and only two seasons below Trot's prime average. Why don't you just shove your foot in your mouth and forget about sharing your opinion, it will save you the trouble of making the keystrokes.

[jacksonianmarch]

That statement proves you don't know what you are talking about. Nixon's peak had him at about an .880 OPS annually' date=' with a one time high of .974. Drew's career average is .905 with a peak of 1.027 and only two seasons below Trot's prime average. Why don't you just shove your foot in your mouth and forget about sharing your opinion, it will save you the trouble of making the keystrokes.[/quote']

 

Drew is gutless. That is why I say this. I think he is soft. Nixon was a hard nosed player who had very good numbers, not just against the league, but against the yankees. Nixon's #s in his prime are worse than Drew's, but who is better for the team? The gutless guy or the hardnosed guy who would run through walls for the team?

 

Both had good power numbers when they were healthy. Nixon around 24-28HRs, Drew 20-30. But when Nixon was healthy, he was the better RBI man, and that is something that I want out of my 5 hole. Drew has had 4 seasons in which he surpassed 130 games and those RBI totals were 57, 56, 93, 100. The last 3 seasons in which Trot surpassed the 130G total, his RBI totals were 88, 94, 97. Both had injury problems in their prime, but there is an argument for which player fits the sox better, Nixon in his prime in the 5 hole or Drew in the 5 hole. I'd go with Nixon, but this may be bias due to watching him flog my team repeatedly in tight spots.

[ORS]

Drew is gutless. That is why I say this. I think he is soft. Nixon was a hard nosed player who had very good numbers, not just against the league, but against the yankees. Nixon's #s in his prime are worse than Drew's, but who is better for the team? The gutless guy or the hardnosed guy who would run through walls for the team?

 

Both had good power numbers when they were healthy. Nixon around 24-28HRs, Drew 20-30. But when Nixon was healthy, he was the better RBI man, and that is something that I want out of my 5 hole. Drew has had 4 seasons in which he surpassed 130 games and those RBI totals were 57, 56, 93, 100. The last 3 seasons in which Trot surpassed the 130G total, his RBI totals were 88, 94, 97. Both had injury problems in their prime, but there is an argument for which player fits the sox better, Nixon in his prime in the 5 hole or Drew in the 5 hole. I'd go with Nixon, but this may be bias due to watching him flog my team repeatedly in tight spots.

RBI's? Seriously? Do you watch baseball? Wonder why Nixon had so many more RBI's? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the players on his team were better at getting on base. I can't believe someone who purports to know anyting about baseball like yourself can't recognize that RBIs are a function of your teammates more than anything else. Use your head, Jacko.

[jacksonianmarch]

RBI's? Seriously? Do you watch baseball? Wonder why Nixon had so many more RBI's? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the players on his team were better at getting on base. I can't believe someone who purports to know anyting about baseball like yourself can't recognize that RBIs are a function of your teammates more than anything else. Use your head' date=' Jacko.[/quote']

 

Drew was on no slouch teams either ORS.

[ORS]

Drew never had the likes of Damon, Walker/Bellhorn (during his good OBP years), Ortiz, and Ramirez hitting in front of him. Never. You know it. Stop trying to keep your weak ass point alive.

[Plumpamania]

Owned.

[Cityofchampions33]

Mussina = Schilling

Wang > Beckett

Johnson

Pettite = Papelbon

Igawa/Pavano

 

I think Schilling and Mussina are both very able aces and I can picture them both aheing 16+ wins with solid ERAs, could goeitehr way.

Battle of maturity here as Beckett needs to show he's learned from his mistakes and be what he's supposed to be. If he can't, this battle goes to Wang.

40 year old with injury problems and somehwat abd mechanics last year to the fearless 26 year old with command of 4 + pitchers, however this could eaisly swing in teh yankees decision.

Pettite, if he stays healthy can beat out Papelbon but I ahev a lot of optimism in Jon and think he can rack up 13+ wins with a decent ERA.

Wakefield is always reliable to give you a shot in a game, pending your fofense is working. I look for now more than a .500 record and a 4 ERA. Igawa/Pavano are big ?s.

 

As you see, this could swing either way, both rotations have their own questionables, and it could be very Red Sox or very yankees, or even somewhat of a draw.

[schillingouttheks]

I hate comparing rotations like that because you don't know how they will actually line up. Instead of comparing Wang to Beckett you could be comparing Wang to Matsuzaka and then comparing Johnson to Beckett, both of which could go in Boston's favor.

[ARod2212]

Nobody has any idea how Johnson and Beckett will rebound, nor how Matsuzaka and Pettitte will transfer to the American League or how Papelbon will transfer to the rotation. And the health of Schilling and Mussina will always be an issue. To try and project rotations is pretty futile.

[TheKilo]

Drew is gutless. That is why I say this. I think he is soft. Nixon was a hard nosed player who had very good numbers, not just against the league, but against the yankees. Nixon's #s in his prime are worse than Drew's, but who is better for the team? The gutless guy or the hardnosed guy who would run through walls for the team?

 

Both had good power numbers when they were healthy. Nixon around 24-28HRs, Drew 20-30. But when Nixon was healthy, he was the better RBI man, and that is something that I want out of my 5 hole. Drew has had 4 seasons in which he surpassed 130 games and those RBI totals were 57, 56, 93, 100. The last 3 seasons in which Trot surpassed the 130G total, his RBI totals were 88, 94, 97. Both had injury problems in their prime, but there is an argument for which player fits the sox better, Nixon in his prime in the 5 hole or Drew in the 5 hole. I'd go with Nixon, but this may be bias due to watching him flog my team repeatedly in tight spots.

 

Wow. Just, wow.

[v2freak]

I'd take Beckett over Wang

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd take Beckett over Wang

 

Any reason other than blind homerism?

[v2freak]

Last year was Beckett's adjustment period. New team in a new league, facing completely different opponents - Beckett showed flashes of brilliance last year. I think he has a lot of room to improve, whereas Wang has possibly shown his best

[TheKilo]

Last year was Beckett's adjustment period. New team in a new league' date=' facing completely different opponents - Beckett showed flashes of brilliance last year. I think he has a lot of room to improve, whereas Wang has possibly shown his best[/quote']

 

While right now I'd rather have Wang over Beckett, I kind of agree with this line of thinking.

[v2freak]

^I'm inclined to agree that at the moment, Wang is the better player

[Gom]

I hate comparing rotations like that because you don't know how they will actually line up. Instead of comparing Wang to Beckett you could be comparing Wang to Matsuzaka and then comparing Johnson to Beckett' date=' both of which could go in Boston's favor.[/quote']

 

Wang is the best pitcher in either city right now. Period. Maybe that changes with Matsuzaka, but outside of him, no one in Boston can match up with Wang.

[schillingouttheks]

Wang is the best pitcher in either city right now. Period. Maybe that changes with Matsuzaka' date=' but outside of him, no one in Boston can match up with Wang.[/quote']

 

I said could. I just KNEW that someone was going to suggest that I was saying Matsuzaka is better than Wang. I agree that Wang, right now, is the best in both cities. All I said was that certain rotational matchups that he made was an effort in futility because those matchups aren't set in stone, and other matchups could go either way for both teams. My point was that comparing the two rotations is useless because it NEVER pans out the way someone suggests. You can only look at statistics from the rotation as a unit instead of as individuals. I wasn't suggesting that Matsuzaka or Beckett is better than Wang at the present time.

[jacksonianmarch]

Other than in the playoffs or if the season started with Yankees-Sox those matchups will not apply.

[v2freak]

I'd say Schilling is still the best to be honest (possibly Papelbon). Mussina > Wang?

[redsoxrules]

Wang is the best pitcher in either city right now. Period. Maybe that changes with Matsuzaka' date=' but outside of him, no one in Boston can match up with Wang.[/quote']

 

are you drunk again ?

[Cocos Disciples]

Other than in the playoffs or if the season started with Yankees-Sox those matchups will not apply.

 

Yup. The two teams match up in about 11% of the games they each play. And the rotations will almost definitely be messed up by the time they first meet. It's just a case of who is the better pitcher on any given day.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd say Schilling is still the best to be honest (possibly Papelbon). Mussina > Wang?

 

Wang was the most durable, most reliable pitcher on the team. In case you missed it, Wang started game 1 of the playoffs for a reason.

[TheKilo]

Wang was the most durable' date=' most reliable pitcher on the team. In case you missed it, Wang started game 1 of the playoffs for a reason.[/quote']

 

Which was why he missed the tail end of the 2005 season with a shoulder injury...

[jacksonianmarch]

Which was why he missed the tail end of the 2005 season with a shoulder injury...

 

finished the yr in 05 well and was really durable last yr.