What to do with Matt Clement?

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

Ok. So you're taking a 1982 picture of him (how in the hell did you find it? and what compelled you to?) and using it as your avatar. That somewhat implies "dick" to me. As in you are a dick.

 

 

Does that picture really look like it was taken from 1982? I don't know if it is a picture of Fred, but I did find it with Google when I searched for "Cowboy".

 

First you call me a chick because I have two teams, now you are calling me a dick because I used google to find my avatar.

[RedSoxRooter]

True, I did call you a dick. And you are one. But why is Metro being a dick too? Are all Dodger fans like this?

[RedSoxRooter]

Does that picture really look like it was taken from 1982? I don't know if it is a picture of Fred, but I did find it with Google when I searched for "Cowboy".

 

First you call me a chick because I have two teams, now you are calling me a dick because I used google to find my avatar.

 

Why are you searching for Cowboys on Google??? :dunno:

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

Why are you searching for Cowboys on Google??? :dunno:

 

hmm, have you seen my screen name?

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

True' date=' I did call you a dick. And you are one. But why is Metro being a dick too? Are all Dodger fans like this?[/quote']

 

 

 

How am I being a dick? Like I said before I am a Sox and Mets fan. I cannot stand to Dodgers, ever since they left the East Coast they were dead to me.

[RedSoxRooter]

hmm' date=' have you seen my screen name?[/quote']

 

Oh, ok. Got it. For those outside of the Boston area, the Matsuzaka conference is on ESPN news!

[Fast Freddie]

Why are you searching for Cowboys on Google??? :dunno:

 

He's going Brokeback.

[seabeachfred]

ok, STOP THE PRESSES.

 

Is that really a pic of fred?

 

The one with the cowboy hat and baseball jersey is me; he took it off the board and added a cowboy instead. Let's pay no mind to them. If they keep post to themselves they will soon go back to where they belong. Besides, we should be sitting in tall cotton. We got Daisuke signed and now all we really need is to swing that deal for a closer. Our lineup should be stronger than this past season, and our staff ought to be as good as anyone else's. What I don't want to see is Papelbon back in the closer's role. It cost him valuable time late last season and everyone from the doctors, trainers, and coaches think he should be a starter. I do, too. Wheeler, Lidge, Cordero, Gonzales---one of them ought to be able to do the job for us. What's your take?

[Fast Freddie]

The one with the cowboy hat and baseball jersey is me; he took it off the board and added a cowboy instead. Let's pay no mind to them. If they keep post to themselves they will soon go back to where they belong. Besides' date=' we should be sitting in tall cotton. We got Daisuke signed and now all we really need is to swing that deal for a closer. Our lineup should be stronger than this past season, and our staff ought to be as good as anyone else's. What I don't want to see is Papelbon back in the closer's role. It cost him valuable time late last season and everyone from the doctors, trainers, and coaches think he should be a starter. I do, too. Wheeler, Lidge, Cordero, Gonzales---one of them ought to be able to do the job for us. What's your take?[/quote']

 

Seabeachfred, I happen to like this board. I am not going to leave simply because you are mistaking me for someone else. Let's get back to talking about baseball.

[RedSoxRooter]

ok, off topic, but the sox need to get a translator for the translator. I can't understand a word.

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

ok' date=' off topic, but the sox need to get a translator for the translator. I can't understand a word.[/quote']

 

I think the translator is being used as a buffer between him and the media. i remember reading about Nomo using a translator eventhough he speaks perfect english.

[RedSoxRooter]

God he's the worst translator ever! I can't believe how bad this guys sucks.

 

If he were translating my post he'd say:

 

 

"God... Sucks"

[Fast Freddie]

God he's the worst translator ever! I can't believe how bad this guys sucks.

 

If he were translating my post he'd say:

 

 

"God... Sucks"

 

That's probably why the negotiations took so long.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's probably why the negotiations took so long.

 

Dice-K: Mr. Henry and Mr. Lucchino, we are very happy to meet with you. It is an honor to play in Boston and be known loving as one of the idiots. My starting price is 50 million dollars. I will not pitch sucky, I promise. I will not act sucky to the media either. Thank you.

 

Translator: Mr. Henry and Mr. Lucchino are idiots. 5 dollar sucky sucky?

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

Dice-K: Mr. Henry and Mr. Lucchino, we are very happy to meet with you. It is an honor to play in Boston and be known loving as one of the idiots. My starting price is 50 million dollars. I will not pitch sucky, I promise. I will not act sucky to the media either. Thank you.

 

Translator: Mr. Henry and Mr. Lucchino are idiots. 5 dollar sucky sucky?

 

 

lol

[BSN07]

Wow this thread went sideways quick!LOL

 

As far as Clement goes, salvage what you can, or make him the bat boy.

[seabeachfred]

From what reports we've heard Clement is not going to be able to pitch until July, and the whole thing with him was a bad scene anyway. After a promising start, that ball he took in the head seems to have set him back. He became a tentative pitcher and he never had the best control or the best courage out there to begin with. If memory serves me right he was yanked from both the Padres and Cubs' rotations and I would think that ought to be a red flag right there. It was money poorly spent and we should cut our losses and be done with him and this thread. We don't want Clement, we don't need him, and most of us don't even want to talk about him. One question, though? Did the Sox take out an insurance policy on this guy? It would have been wise if they had.

[ebouvier]

From what reports we've heard Clement is not going to be able to pitch until July' date=' and the whole thing with him was a bad scene anyway. After a promising start, that ball he took in the head seems to have set him back. He became a tentative pitcher and he never had the best control or the best courage out there to begin with. [/quote']

 

Was there ever any timetable given for when his arm injury occurred? He was pitching well until he got hit in the head and then obviously he wasn't the same pitcher. Not that I can blame him after taking that shot. But I'm wondering if his troubles last year were a result of the comebacker, the arm injury, or because he really isn't that good. It's easy to pile on him but if he was injured all of last year it might not be fair.

[jacksonianmarch]

I heard Clement's timetable was "hopefully never".

[ebouvier]

I heard Clement's timetable was "hopefully never".

 

I don't mean when will he come back. I was curious if we ever found out when he was actually injured.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't mean when will he come back. I was curious if we ever found out when he was actually injured.

 

I am not sure he ever found out.

[seabeachfred]

Was there ever any timetable given for when his arm injury occurred? He was pitching well until he got hit in the head and then obviously he wasn't the same pitcher. Not that I can blame him after taking that shot. But I'm wondering if his troubles last year were a result of the comebacker' date=' the arm injury, or because he really isn't that good. It's easy to pile on him but if he was injured all of last year it might not be fair.[/quote']

 

I wish I could answer that Bouv but I am as lost for a reason as you are. I think he just became very gunshy and was almost pitching like chuck and duck, and the spectre of that line drive back at him still very much on his mind. When he took that comebacker against the Yankees it was like the nail in the coffin. That, at least, is a possible opinion. I don't he was injured all of last year because he did pitch a few good games early on. I just think the guy is not that mentally tough. Decades ago there was a Cleveland lefthander named Herb Score. A 22 game winner in AAA in 1954, an 18 and 20 game winner his first two seasons with the Guardians. In late May of 1957 he got creamed in the face by a line drive off the bat of Gil McDougald of the Yankees. He was never the same again and out of baseball within five years. It happens.

[Fast Freddie]

That happened to Kaz Ishii a few years ago also. He went downhill quickly after that.

[SCM33]

That happened to Kaz Ishii a few years ago also. He went downhill quickly after that.

 

Kaz didnt have nearly the same stuff as Clement. Not even close. When Clement came to Boston he came with a reputation of having maybe the second best "stuff" in baseball behind Tim Hudson. Thats not saying either/or are great pitchers or hall of famers or whatever your measuring stick is, but nobody can argue the stuff they had. Only problem was his "stuff" was also his downfall at times because of high pitch counts and the fact nothing he threw went straight. Some of the s*** he threw fooled batters and umpires so much they didnt even know what to swing at, or call a ball/strike.

[seabeachfred]

Kaz didnt have nearly the same stuff as Clement. Not even close. When Clement came to Boston he came with a reputation of having maybe the second best "stuff" in baseball behind Tim Hudson. Thats not saying either/or are great pitchers or hall of famers or whatever your measuring stick is' date=' but nobody can argue the stuff they had. Only problem was his "stuff" was also his downfall at times because of high pitch counts and the fact nothing he threw went straight. Some of the s*** he threw fooled batters and umpires so much they didnt even know what to swing at, or call a ball/strike.[/quote']

 

SCM, those are very good points about Clement. I once had a pitcher with similar stuff, though not of the ML variety and my catcher just said to him to throw the ball right down the middle. Movement will take care of itself---and it did. I think when Clement did pitch and the catcher set up on the corners all it did was to discombobulate Matt. Now it is probably too late because I don't see him pitching for us next year and it is probably best for all concerned. He was never the same after he took one in the head in 2005 and that comebacker against the Yankees this past season pretty well made him gunshy. Time to him and the rest of us to move on.

[Papelbon58]

Yeah, I remember I used to watch all of Clement's starts I could on WGN when he was with the Cubbies because I loved his slider. I was very excited when the Sox got him, and then his career just took a downspin. That slider was deadly. He could have been a great pitcher had he been able to control the pitches to set it up. That was the problem.

[Papelbon58]

And this completely changed him for the worse.

[seabeachfred]

Papelbon, that really brought back some pretty scary memories of the summer of 2005, but what is amazing is that August, after Clement has taken that shot from Crawford, I saw Clement at Anaheim Stadium beating the Angels 3-1 and pitching 7/2/3 innings and got no decision when Timlin came in and gave up a two run single to Bengy Molina to tie the game. We won it in the 10th. So Clement may not have been that psyched as we might have thought because he pitched a helluva game that night.

[Papelbon58]

I was looking for it and couldn't find, it, but wasn't there a second incident in which another comebacker barely missed him, and results started dropping? I cannot find a video, but remember something like that. If anybody remembers completely, please tell.

[jacksonianmarch]

Clement never has the 2nd best stuff in baseball to Hudson, as Hudson never had the best stuff. You want to talk about best stuff 2 yrs ago, it was Randy and Pedro.