Gagne talks with sox are heating up.

[jacksonianmarch]

Keep telling yourself that. That window is closing. He had elbow issues last season. He'll have to stoke up on the roids over the winter to heal his arm. It will be fun watching Yankee fans jump off cliffs when this guy finally loses his stuff. Are you kidding? The cardiac units all over the Bronx are filled to capacity when Farnsworthless comes into the game. As for Proctor' date=' he is at his best when he pitches to Manny. I think those balls are still going.[/quote']

 

Holding your breath, keep holding your breath. In all seriousness, the time is coming, but it probably wont be this yr. They have 3 solid prospects for closer in Cox, Whelan and now the shelved Melancon. I can see their #1 draft pick this yr being a closer (and they still have their #1 as Pettitte was not offered arb) with the intention of having him be one of those guys who "replaces Mo". It will be a sad day in the bronx, for everyone, not just yankee fans, when he hangs em up. I think this guy is a dying breed. Dignified, quiet, humble, and excellent who stays on one team his whole career.

[a700hitter]

Holding your breath' date=' keep holding your breath. In all seriousness, the time is coming, but it probably wont be this yr. They have 3 solid prospects for closer in Cox, Whelan and now the shelved Melancon. I can see their #1 draft pick this yr being a closer (and they still have their #1 as Pettitte was not offered arb) with the intention of having him be one of those guys who "replaces Mo". It will be a sad day in the bronx, for everyone, not just yankee fans, when he hangs em up. I think this guy is a dying breed. Dignified, quiet, humble, and excellent who stays on one team his whole career.[/quote']More blather. Once Mo is gone, that's it. In your lifetime, you may never have another closer like him. He doesn't get replaced, just like Manny doesn't get replaced. You can take all of the prospects at every level in every country and you will not find the next Mo or Manny. When Mo is done, the big security blanket for the yankees is gone. You'll have a mere mortal closing games. Torre would manage a team without Mo to a 4th place finish.

[CrespoBlows]

More blather. Once Mo is gone' date=' that's it. In your lifetime, you may never have another closer like him. He doesn't get replaced, just like Manny doesn't get replaced. [b']You can take all of the prospects at every level in every country and you will not find the next Mo or Manny.[/b] When Mo is done, the big security blanket for the yankees is gone. You'll have a mere mortal closing games. Torre would manage a team without Mo to a 4th place finish.

 

I'm sure they were saying the same thing about Ted Williams and Rollie Fingers.

[riverside sluggers]

Bruney' date=' Myers and Britton? You are happy about a situational one batter guy and two fatsos that have proved nothing except that their prior s***** teams didn't want them. You are viewing this through some rose-colored glasses. Those three guys are worth a warm bag of piss. As for Farnsworthless, there isn't a Yankee fan that I know who didn't go into fear and terror when he came in a close game.[/quote']

 

A nickname of them such as "Ben & Jerry"? Together they weigh a combined 525 pounds.

 

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[BoSox34]

A nickname of them such as "Ben & Jerry"? Together they weigh a combined 525 pounds.

 

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[ThreeIfBaerga]

johnathan broxton weighs about 280. he's still a hell of a pitcher.

[BoSox34]

johnathan broxton weighs about 280. he's still a hell of a pitcher.

 

I think the cheeseburgers caught up to him in the playoffs.

 

13.50 ERA vs. Mets.

[ThreeIfBaerga]

I think the cheeseburgers caught up to him in the playoffs.

 

13.50 ERA vs. Mets.

 

rookies tend to break down a little bit at the end of the year.

[BoSox34]

rookies tend to break down a little bit at the end of the year.

 

Same with cheeseburgers at the end of the digestive system.

[a700hitter]

I'm sure they were saying the same thing about Ted Williams and Rollie Fingers.

...and we've never seen another hitter as good as Ted Williams and it has been more than 40 years since he left the game. Rollie Fingers? In the same sentence as Ted Williams? Blasphemy.

[Moose]

Same with cheeseburgers at the end of the digestive system.

 

And this is how it happens:

 

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[BoSox34]

I'll let my avatar do the talking.

[Gom]

More blather. Once Mo is gone' date=' that's it. In your lifetime, you may never have another closer like him. He doesn't get replaced, just like Manny doesn't get replaced. You can take all of the prospects at every level in every country and you will not find the next Mo or Manny. When Mo is done, the big security blanket for the yankees is gone. You'll have a mere mortal closing games. Torre would manage a team without Mo to a 4th place finish.[/quote']

 

That's an understatement. There has never been a closer like Mo in baseball history. Period. Not many players can go about saying they are the best in the history of the game at what they do. The only one playing now that can say that is Mariano.

 

Manny is a sure first ballot HOFer, but there have been hitters like him, and better than him. No one has ever had a better career in the 9th inning than Mariano. This isn't a knock on Manny, just a point to show how good he is.

 

We can never replace him. Even Sox fans are going to miss him in a way, the same way we will miss Tek and Papi when they go. The true sports fan respects a worthy adversary.

[Moose]

I'll let my avatar do the talking.

 

I don't know, man. You've had all kinds of talking. Either deleted your initial reply or edited it. And then a pm.

 

Buwahahahaha.

[BoSox34]

I decided to sum it all up in one wonderful picture.

[example1]

That's an understatement. There has never been a closer like Mo in baseball history. Period. Not many players can go about saying they are the best in the history of the game at what they do. The only one playing now that can say that is Mariano.

 

Manny is a sure first ballot HOFer, but there have been hitters like him, and better than him. No one has ever had a better career in the 9th inning than Mariano. This isn't a knock on Manny, just a point to show how good he is.

 

We can never replace him. Even Sox fans are going to miss him in a way, the same way we will miss Tek and Papi when they go. The true sports fan respects a worthy adversary.

 

There have been very few players who are as good at pure hitting than Manny Ramirez. I mean, he gets unequivocable praise as valuable, first ballot hall of famer etc., despite being AWFUL in the field each and every year since he came in. He makes UP in value offensively to get to the point where the other greats were overall. Manny is one of the few hitters who appears to be able to choose what he does at the plate. Against mediocre pitchers I think he literally takes pitches that he can't hit for a double or home run. You watch him take pitches down the middle because he's waiting for one on the inside. He's crazy good.

 

I don't think its necessarily true that there have been people as good as or better than Manny but not Rivera. Nearly every year that Rivera has pitched there has been a closer who was at least in the same class of dominance. Every year it seems there is some pitcher who is totally dominant. The difference with Rivera is that he's the first closer who has been dominant every year for this long. It's not only the level of dominance, its the length of dominance too. Rivera was the first to do what he's doing, as there isn't a long history of closer dominance, or even closer usage. Manny is compared to a history of hitters, dating back to before even Ty Cobb. Rivera is compared back 30 years at the most.

 

Don't take this as a dis on Rivera. He is the number ONE reason they have been so dominant the last 10 years or so. Absolutely, no doubt about it. He is tremendous and irreplacable. Pre-First-Ballot hall of famer, true gamer, pitcher I want on the mound when it matters etc., The yankee mystique will be completely different once that bastard is off the mound!

[jacksonianmarch]

once he leaves, the yankees will need TWO solid closers to replace what he has meant to this club. He has his failures as well, but he takes them with dignity. And there is nobody who stares at the most riveting, terrorizing, tension building, clutch moment and handles it with class like Mo.

[seabeachfred]

I don't know, man. You've had all kinds of talking. Either deleted your initial reply or edited it. And then a pm.

 

Buwahahahaha.

 

I hope you are laughing at your Dodger Blues buddies who got their asses run off this website. Anyway, they added nothing to it in the first place, but tell me, are you both a Red Sox and Dodgers fan? According to those guys over there you can't root for two teams even if one is way more important than the other. When I told them months ago that I was going to follow the Dodgers in the NL (for the first time since they left Brooklyn by the way), they made it sound like I had kidnapped the Lindbergh baby even though I was rooting like hell for the Dodgers before they were born. Anyway, I'd appreciate a reply.

[TedWilliams101]

I have heard that Manny sometimes purposely takes bad swings at some pitches. It is said that sometimes if he gets a pitch he likes early in the game, he may take an ugly swing, hoping to make the pitcher go back to that pitch several times. He can then wait on it and crush it. He is simply amazing. If he is determined to to drive in runs, he does.

[Moose]

I hope you are laughing at your Dodger Blues buddies who got their asses run off this website. Anyway' date=' they added nothing to it in the first place, but tell me, are you both a Red Sox and Dodgers fan? According to those guys over there you can't root for two teams even if one is way more important than the other. When I told them months ago that I was going to follow the Dodgers in the NL (for the first time since they left Brooklyn by the way), they made it sound like I had kidnapped the Lindbergh baby even though I was rooting like hell for the Dodgers before they were born. Anyway, I'd appreciate a reply.[/quote']

 

I'm laughing with them at you. I do root for two teams: Dodgers and whoever is playing the Giants

[seabeachfred]

I'm laughing with them at you. I do root for two teams: Dodgers and whoever is playing the Giants

 

Well I can see that you and I are going to butt heads along the way, but this time I'm with the majority so you can laugh all you like, but your ******* friends are still gone and I'm the one laughing now. Amazing, a Dodger fan on a Red Sox board, but at least they are treating you with more dignity and respect than I was accorded on that shithole website. It would have also been nice if many of them has known something about the team they loved to damn much, and when I tried to correct them in their numerous errors they got personal with me and my family. I wonder if you know any more. Well here goes ace, let's see if the Dodger fan knows something about his team

 

Quiz, Koufax and Drysdale's lifetime record against the Giants. You can even look it up if you like, but, as I tried to tell them dumb bastards, I have a photographic memory and know it by heart. I'll wait for your answer and even give it to you if you need it.

[Moose]

It's freaking Saturday. Don't give me a quiz.

[Cocos Disciples]

Hah...funny reading this.

 

Also kinda weird how the Sox and Dodgers just seem to be exchanging personnel back and forth...Mueller, Nomar, Grady, Lowe, lots more...almost Manny...Drew, Lugo, etc.

[seabeachfred]

It's freaking Saturday. Don't give me a quiz.

 

All right Moose, since you apparently don't know s*** from shinola about the question I'll not only give you the answer, but tell you an extra tidbit that it you can store it in your brain amd you might actually know a little more than your dickwad friends on Dodger Blues, not that it would take much effort there.

 

Koufax 17-11------Drysdale 34-31. Got that? Now, listen good. Koufax's last victory over the Giants came on August 26, 1966 at Candlestick Park. He beat them 6-0. Bob Bolin, the Giants pitcher, started off like a house afire and k'd, I think five of the first six Dodgers before Johnny Roseboro hit a two run homer off him. Hey, here's some more for you. The next day, Marichal beat Drysdale (ok I forgot the score). Then on Sunday, Don Sutton defeated Gaylord Perry, 5-2. (Aug 28).

 

Drysdale's last victory over the Giants also came at Candlestick Park on Wednesday, June 26. He beat them 2-1 and struck out Jimmy Davenport for the last out.

 

And don't give me any s*** that " you looked it up, you looked it up" Buillshit!!! I once told you I had a photographic memory and your shithook friends gave me a tough time. Try looking those scores I gave you. You can't. No, my "friend", they are in my storehouse in by baseball brain.

 

Besides, you're a young man. What the hell are you doing home on a Saturday night? Get your ass up and get out and have some fun. I'm a happily married man who is dog sitting tonight while my lovely wife (you and those craphook friends of yours should be so lucky) is baby sitting our grandaughter. Here' another freebee for you. On August 3, 1980, Don Sutton defeated the Giants, 8-1 at Dodger Stadium and set the new all time Dodger strikeout record. Oh yes, his "pal" Steve Garvey hit a three run homer in the first inning to get him going.

 

Now if you ever want any info on the Giants-Dodger rivalry you only have to be nice and ask me. If it happened between 1941-to the present I can tell you. Easily. And, to think, all those years from '58 to 05 I wasn't even a Dodger fan. Or maybe, deep down inside I might have been. Ever thought of that?

[Moose]

Well thank you, Mr. Wikipedia.

 

I'm watching the Kings game with my neighbors.

[seabeachfred]

Hah...funny reading this.

 

Also kinda weird how the Sox and Dodgers just seem to be exchanging personnel back and forth...Mueller, Nomar, Grady, Lowe, lots more...almost Manny...Drew, Lugo, etc.

 

Coco, just remember this. Red Sox fans are a helluva lot more knowledgeable about theire team than LA Dodger fans could ever be. It is amazing just how dumb they are about their own team's history. I gave Moose a question about two of the greatest LA Dodger pitchers in history and against the team he purports to hate the most and all he could say was don't quiz him. So I felt sorry for the sad and sorry creature and gave him the answer. Glad you're enjoying all this. You know, I had a real bad time on that board; not so bad when they got on me, but calling my wife a whore and my daughter even worse showed what kind of low lifers they were, and while I revel at being on this board with some great Red Sox fans, if a Dodger fan on this board tries to get nasty with me I promise that guy I won't hesitate. Have a great Sunday, my friend.

[seabeachfred]

Well thank you, Mr. Wikipedia.

 

I'm watching the Kings game with my neighbors.

 

Well OK Moose, enjoy the game and root the Kings home to victory. I like the Ducks myself when I do follow hockey. Besides, it is raining like hell here in Arcadia and I decided to not go out for my Saturday tacos. I just had to unload; been carrying a lot of angst against that board and guys on it for a long time. Anyway, if you ever have a question about the Giants and Dodgers and their rivalry or want to know who took the season series any of the years from 1941 on I will be glad to help you out. No, no encyclodedia. I really do have a good memory for things long gone by, but ask me what I had for dinner three nights ago and I will tell you to get lost; haven't a clue.

[Cocos Disciples]

Coco' date=' just remember this. Red Sox fans are a helluva lot more knowledgeable about theire team than LA Dodger fans could ever be. It is amazing just how dumb they are about their own team's history. I gave Moose a question about two of the greatest LA Dodger pitchers in history and against the team he purports to hate the most and all he could say was don't quiz him. So I felt sorry for the sad and sorry creature and gave him the answer. Glad you're enjoying all this. You know, I had a real bad time on that board; not so bad when they got on me, but calling my wife a whore and my daughter even worse showed what kind of low lifers they were, and while I revel at being on this board with some great Red Sox fans, if a Dodger fan on this board tries to get nasty with me I promise that guy I won't hesitate. Have a great Sunday, my friend.[/quote']

 

 

I like this guy!

[Moose]

Coco' date=' just remember this. Red Sox fans are a helluva lot more knowledgeable about theire team than LA Dodger fans could ever be. It is amazing just how dumb they are about their own team's history. I gave Moose a question about two of the greatest LA Dodger pitchers in history and against the team he purports to hate the most and all he could say was don't quiz him. So I felt sorry for the sad and sorry creature and gave him the answer. [/quote']

 

Do you just randomly say negative things about Dodger fans? Geez, no wonder why they humiliate you left and right. Really? I don't know the specific stats of Koufax and Drysdale against the Giants, I don't know s*** about the Dodger history? Ask Coco about Ted Williams' numbers against the Yanks.

[seabeachfred]

I like this guy!

 

The feeling is mutual my friend, and I look forward to posting on this site for a long time. Now let's get Matsu signed and get that closer and we can get ready for the Yankees, and maybe take on Moose's Dodgers if they also make it to the WS. Of course, we will kick their collective behinds. :D :D