Drew on board

[seabeachfred]

Uhh no we don't.

 

Coco, we did trade for the Angels' Brendon Donnelly who was 6-0 this past season. My only worry is that at times he didn't look like the pitcher he was the previous two or three years. I hope we didn't get him on the downward slide. If he pitches as he did most of his Angels career we will be in good shape. However, he is not a closer, just a very good seventh inning pitcher. As for J.C. Romero, he is a pile of s***, just as he was for the Twins with his rotten attitude, he was that way with the Angels last year. He was also wild most of the time and Scioscia had his fill of him. He is a disaster waiting to happen.:thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

[BoSox21]

im not worried, at best, Romero is a solid lefty specialist and at worst, he sucks and promptly gets DFAed

[Vinny]

Well shock yourself for a surprise Vinny. Drew played 146 games for your Dodgers last year and could have played more had Grady not worried about his health and sat him a few times when he could have and should have played. He had played just about every game in 2005 when he got hit with that pitch' date=' something that could happen to anybody, and he played a full season for the Braves in 2004, hitting 305, 31, and 93. Drew will have good backup with Big Papi, Manny and some of our other hitters, something he did not have his first year in LA except for Kent, and last year when there was a t otal power outage and your team depended on singles and doubles to pile up wins.[/quote']

The only way to get 140+ games from Drew is to treat him like fine china. The fact is whether you want to admit it or not is that he is injury prone. I just don't think trading a potentially good OF is a good idea when Drew is an injury risk. Especially when the trade is for a closer, which are generally inconsistent. He has 4 years of more or less 100 games and 4 years of more or less 140 games. He seems to alternate them. Being that he played 140+ games last year, I put the over/under at 100 games. Add to the fact that he promises to play with more passion, I see a recipe for injury. And I don't see how having lineup protection = less chance of injury.

[riverside sluggers]

And I don't see how having lineup protection = less chance of injury.

 

??

 

What are you talking about? Fred just mentioned that Drew will have better hitters in front of him that will help him succeed more in offense with plenty of RBI opportunities... I do not see him suggesting any of the sorts that there would be less chance of an injury because of it

[Vinny]

??

 

What are you talking about? Fred just mentioned that Drew will have better hitters in front of him that will help him succeed more in offense with plenty of RBI opportunities... I do not see him suggesting any of the sorts of how there would be less chance of an injury because of it

The way I read it is that it will help him have a full season.

[Vinny]

I'm not disputing he can put up numbers when healthy. I'm just questioning if he can stay healthy.

[BoSox21]

Drew will get the benefit of the doubt from me until he gets injured cause everyone here was talking about Beckett's injury issues last year at around this time and he ended up making all his starts if I'm not mistaken. I do know he set a personal record for innings in a season though

[Vinny]

Drew will get the benefit of the doubt from me until he gets injured cause everyone here was talking about Beckett's injury issues last year at around this time and he ended up making all his starts if I'm not mistaken. I do know he set a personal record for innings in a season though

As a fan you should give him benefit of the doubt. I just wouldn't trade away more than capable backups.

[yankeessuck013]

how come drew hasn't been officially announced yet?

[SuperManny]

how come drew hasn't been officially announced yet?

 

Supposedly there were some things to work out in the contract still. Maybe MLB didn't allow certain things which happens from time to time. There might be an option or bonus that needs to be reworked because MLB won't allow it or something. Drew will be in a Boston uni next year.

[YazsTripleCrown]

He reportedly did not pass his physical

[Cocos Disciples]

Links make the world go round.

[seabeachfred]

im not worried' date=' at best, Romero is a solid lefty specialist and at worst, he sucks and promptly gets DFAed[/quote']

 

Bo, that's the way it ought to be dealing with Romero, but my worry is that even if he is as s***** as I think he's going to be, he just might make the team because of the "experience factor". You know how the Red Sox and Francona especially love "experience". Well Romero has had plenty of that, experience is giving up walks at the wrong time and getting lit up with the big hit after a couple of free passes. Keep this guy on a very short leash.

[seabeachfred]

The only way to get 140+ games from Drew is to treat him like fine china. The fact is whether you want to admit it or not is that he is injury prone. I just don't think trading a potentially good OF is a good idea when Drew is an injury risk. Especially when the trade is for a closer' date=' which are generally inconsistent. He has 4 years of more or less 100 games and 4 years of more or less 140 games. He seems to alternate them. Being that he played 140+ games last year, I put the over/under at 100 games. Add to the fact that he promises to play with more passion, I see a recipe for injury. And I don't see how having lineup protection = less chance of injury.[/quote']

 

You've kind of twisted what I said like a pretzel but let me try and unravel this thing for you. In 2004 and 2006 Drew played complete seasons and had good years both times. In 2005 he had played just about every game when he got hit on the wrist, a freak thing that could happen to anybody. Jog your memory; he was very hot when he suffered that mishap after an 0 for 30 start. He put himself on a major training program after the 2003 season and it has payed off for him. Don't even try and tell me the Dodgers are going to be better without him next year in RF than they were with him. As much as I admire Luis Gonzales, he is no Drew. Besides that, he is going to have many more opportunities to drive in runs this year with Lugo, Youkalis, Papi and Manny hitting in front of him, and last year he drove in 100 runs with a lot less than that in front of him. As for trading an OF for a closer, you tell me how we can get one any cheaper and I will call Theo post haste. It has to be done. Most of my friends are Dodger rooters out here in So.Cal (where you probably are from yourself) and they are all pissing and moaning about Drew leaving, saying all kinds of s*** about him. Fine. We'll keep him and take our chances. You keep complaining about him. You might start worrying to see if Nomar and Kent stay in one piece next year. Garciaparra has become a tin man the last few years and Kent may be on his last legs if last year was of any indication, but kuddos to you for worrying about the Red Sox. Don't fret, though, we'll be ok. :D :D :D

[Vinny]

You've kind of twisted what I said like a pretzel but let me try and unravel this thing for you. In 2004 and 2006 Drew played complete seasons and had good years both times. In 2005 he had played just about every game when he got hit on the wrist' date=' a freak thing that could happen to anybody. Jog your memory; he was very hot when he suffered that mishap after an 0 for 30 start. He put himself on a major training program after the 2003 season and it has payed off for him. Don't even try and tell me the Dodgers are going to be better without him next year in RF than they were with him. As much as I admire Luis Gonzales, he is no Drew. Besides that, he is going to have many more opportunities to drive in runs this year with Lugo, Youkalis, Papi and Manny hitting in front of him, and last year he drove in 100 runs with a lot less than that in front of him. As for trading an OF for a closer, you tell me how we can get one any cheaper and I will call Theo post haste. It has to be done. Most of my friends are Dodger rooters out here in So.Cal (where you probably are from yourself) and they are all pissing and moaning about Drew leaving, saying all kinds of s*** about him. Fine. We'll keep him and take our chances. You keep complaining about him. You might start worrying to see if Nomar and Kent stay in one piece next year. Garciaparra has become a tin man the last few years and Kent may be on his last legs if last year was of any indication, but kuddos to you for worrying about the Red Sox. Don't fret, though, we'll be ok. :D :D :D[/quote']

Honestly what does this have to do at all about the Dodgers. We are talking about whether or not you should trade an outfielder for a closer and I believe you shouldn't. I never brought up the Dodgers or bashed Drew for being a bad player. I only stated that he is injury prone. You also bring up numbers and how great he will play. Those mean nothing if he is injured. All I am saying is don't trade Coco Crisp and Willy Mo Pena because J.D. Drew is injury prone. He alternates between 100 and 140 games a year. I don't consider that very good at all. As for Dodger fans being happy he left. Yes we are. We thought 3 years 33 million left was way to much for a player that is injured half the time and the other half plays like he doesn't care. I'm not twisting anything you've said. Your the one that's twisting things and making this into a Dodger -vs.- Red Sox thing. I'm talking Red Sox baseball and letting you know why I wouldn't trade a more than servicable outfielder for a closer. I'm sure you have a very good closer somewhere in your farm system you just need to look and be creative. How do you think most of the closers are found? They're starters that can't cut it as starters. Closers find it and loose it from year to year. It's more mental than anything.

 

As for the Dodgers. Garciaparra is always an injury concern. That's why we sign them to very short contracts. So if they do get injured were not on the hook for another five years. Kent is getting older, but he's never been an injury concern. I don't like the Gonzalez move, but it's a 1-year contract. We have lots of prospects in the farm system that will be taking his spot sooner than later. More than likely we will make a trade right before the trading deadline, when teams are always looking to dump players. We can afford to wait because we: 1) have a good farm system and 2) are in the NL West. :harhar: :harhar:

[seabeachfred]

Honestly what does this have to do at all about the Dodgers. We are talking about whether or not you should trade an outfielder for a closer and I believe you shouldn't. I never brought up the Dodgers or bashed Drew for being a bad player. I only stated that he is injury prone. You also bring up numbers and how great he will play. Those mean nothing if he is injured. All I am saying is don't trade Coco Crisp and Willy Mo Pena because J.D. Drew is injury prone. He alternates between 100 and 140 games a year. I don't consider that very good at all. As for Dodger fans being happy he left. Yes we are. We thought 3 years 33 million left was way to much for a player that is injured half the time and the other half plays like he doesn't care. I'm not twisting anything you've said. Your the one that's twisting things and making this into a Dodger -vs.- Red Sox thing. I'm talking Red Sox baseball and letting you know why I wouldn't trade a more than servicable outfielder for a closer. I'm sure you have a very good closer somewhere in your farm system you just need to look and be creative. How do you think most of the closers are found? They're starters that can't cut it as starters. Closers find it and loose it from year to year. It's more mental than anything.

 

As for the Dodgers. Garciaparra is always an injury concern. That's why we sign them to very short contracts. So if they do get injured were not on the hook for another five years. Kent is getting older, but he's never been an injury concern. I don't like the Gonzalez move, but it's a 1-year contract. We have lots of prospects in the farm system that will be taking his spot sooner than later. More than likely we will make a trade right before the trading deadline, when teams are always looking to dump players. We can afford to wait because we: 1) have a good farm system and 2) are in the NL West. :harhar: :harhar:

 

We have good arms in our system Vinny but most are not ready yet--unless, that is, someone blows us away in Spring Training, guys like Bard, Bowden, Bucholz, the "B" Boys if you will. I'll be looking for it when I watch them in Spring Training the last week in March down in Florida. The fact, is , however, most of us Red Sox fans do not want to risk the front office being tempted to make Papelbon the closer again because it would be a risk to his career. He is a starting pitcher who was forced into it this past season, and though he did very well, his shoulder gave out. So as of right now we don't have a closer. The Dodgers hit gold last year, too, with Takashi Saito, but teams usually don't find clovers like that two years in a row. Gonzales??? Class act, class guy and he will do well for the Dodgers, but he is no Drew. I'm surprised you also like the Red Sox. A lot of your friends on that other shitboard think it impossible to root for teams in different leagues. Have they gotten on your case for that yet? Anyway, all we can do is wait until the season and see how this plays out. Maybe I'll even see you at a Giants-Dodgers game next season. I sure as hell know I won't see you at a Red Sox game. Have a nice day Vinny. I'll give you this. You seem to know your baseball, which is more than I can say for some of your lodge brothers.

[Cityofchampions33]

ESPN is reporting the Sox are looking for a second opinion on Drew's shoulder. The source is not sure if this would void the prior agreement, shorten the length of the contract, or make it more incentive based.

[ORS]

I have only one prediction in regards to this Drew situation. If it turns out they void the agreement, Jacko will be one of the biggest Drew proponents in the world, and he'll let us know just how much this will kill our chances this year. If it turns out he makes it to Boston, we'll hear about how he is overrated and will cripple the team financially. Book it.

[Cityofchampions33]

This can turn out eitehr evry good or very bad. Very good being he's not as bad as this is made out to be, and Theo is maybe trying to make this more incentive based or shorten the length. If we don't sign him then WMP is our starting RF next year.

[mosox]

Second Opinion: No long term deals on injured players.

[seabeachfred]

This can turn out eitehr evry good or very bad. Very good being he's not as bad as this is made out to be' date=' and Theo is maybe trying to make this more incentive based or shorten the length. If we don't sign him then WMP is our starting RF next year.[/quote']

 

If Wily Mo Pena is our righfielder next year we are dead in the water. He will cost us at least ten games with his shoddy fielding out there. The guy simply cannot track a fly ball at all.

[Cocos Disciples]

10 games, just cause of fielding? Seems a tad extreme

[CrespoBlows]

10 games' date=' just cause of fielding? Seems a tad extreme[/quote']

 

A tad? That's an extreme understatement.

[jacksonianmarch]

I have only one prediction in regards to this Drew situation. If it turns out they void the agreement' date=' Jacko will be one of the biggest Drew proponents in the world, and he'll let us know just how much this will kill our chances this year. If it turns out he makes it to Boston, we'll hear about how he is overrated and will cripple the team financially. Book it.[/quote']

 

Drew will have a minimal impact on this team. Minimal is not none, so his loss would hurt the sox. Then again, his loss would free up money to spend it in better places next yr. So overall, it may be in the sox best interests if they void this deal.

[Cocos Disciples]

Hate to say it but you may be right. WMP doesn't suck...Schilling and maybe even Wakefield could be gone next year, and even if Lester can start, it leaves one more open hole. There will be a lot of FA pitchers, maybe we can go after one of the big guns.

[kreinbihl34]

If this situation ends with us without Drew then WMP will start. The catch is, I think, he'll be our center fielder. We'll move Coco to right, since his defense isnt great in center. He played right and left in Cleveland and he wasn't bad. This is maybe for the best.

[mosox]

Theo has to reduce the years or insert language that gives the Sox an option on any shoulder injury. Boras may throw a fit but again what choice does he have. It's remarkable that Theo may have Boras trapped in a corner TWICE in the same month.

[Cocos Disciples]

If this situation ends with us without Drew then WMP will start. The catch is' date=' I think, he'll be our center fielder. We'll move Coco to right, since his defense isnt great in center. He played right and left in Cleveland and he wasn't bad. This is maybe for the best.[/quote']

 

I don't believe Crisp played much right field in Cleveland...but I may be wrong.

[a700hitter]

If Wily Mo Pena is our righfielder next year we are dead in the water. He will cost us at least ten games with his shoddy fielding out there. The guy simply cannot track a fly ball at all.

and we will still not have a # 5 hitter.

[kreinbihl34]

Your actually correct, he played mostly left, but in the miniors and sometimes on request played right. Michaels played/plays right for Cleveland, but would switch with Coco.