Jaret Wright traded to the O's

[a700hitter]

Being able to trade a player who said he would be a major pain in the ass to the team that got him is truely amazing to me. Plus the fact that Sheff is an injury riddled 40 something former roid user. Any trade in which the Yankee were able to get rid of the cancer that is Sheffield is an amazing move.

Amazing? They could have been rid of him just by not picking up his option.

[MC Hammer]

Amazing? They could have been rid of him just by not picking up his option.

Yeah but they actually got something for him. They could have let him walk, but instead they were able to spin him off for some usefull pieces.

[Optimist]

Don't bother. The Yankees could trade their Low - A backup catcher for Johan Santana and 700 would be talking about how the Yankees are destroying their farm system for aging talents.

[a700hitter]

Don't bother. The Yankees could trade their Low - A backup catcher for Johan Santana and 700 would be talking about how the Yankees are destroying their farm system for aging talents.

Find a post where I have ever criticized the Yankees for destroying their farm system. I am on record in numerous posts praising Cashman for the Abreu robbery and the Craig Wilson deal. Red Sox fan on these boards got annoyed at me and told me to go root for the Yankees. Optimist, if you are going to take a shot, please know what you are talking about instead of just s***ing up the board.

[a700hitter]

Yeah but they actually got something for him. They could have let him walk' date=' but instead they were able to spin him off for some usefull pieces.[/quote']Only time will tell how useful these pieces will be.

[MC Hammer]

Only time will tell how useful these pieces will be.

Well I'm not saying any of them are going to get them to the playoffs, but even some production in the minors is better than getting nothing.

[MC Hammer]

Find a post where I have ever criticized the Yankees for destroying their farm system. I am on record in numerous posts praising Cashman for the Abreu robbery and the Craig Wilson deal. Red Sox fan on these boards got annoyed at me and told me to go root for the Yankees. Optimist' date=' if you are going to take a shot, please know what you are talking about instead of just s***ing up the board.[/quote']

700 is right, and I'm one of the people that told him daily to go root for the Yanks.

[jacksonianmarch]

Only time will tell how useful these pieces will be.

 

Right now, getting a 23 yr old power arm with a solid rookie season is a nice thing to get for free.

[ORS]

Right now' date=' getting a 23 yr old power arm with a solid rookie season is a nice thing to get for free.[/quote']

And you'd be right if that were the case, but it wasn't. They gave up Jaret Wright and $ for him. No amount of internet rumors can change that. If you are going to continue with the fabrication of it being free, then I'm done talking about it.

[jacksonianmarch]

And you'd be right if that were the case' date=' but it wasn't. They gave up Jaret Wright and $ for him. No amount of internet rumors can change that. If you are going to continue with the fabrication of it being free, then I'm done talking about it.[/quote']

 

ORS, there were NY Post reports as well as other lesser NY reports that the yankees were going to buy out the remaining yr on Wright's contract. The buyout was for 4 mil on a 7 mil contract. Hence, they were going to spend 4 million to get rid of Jaret Wright. In this deal, the yankees are getting rid of Jaret Wright for 4 million dollars and are receiving a 23 yr old power arm in return. How is my saying that the Yankees are getting a 23 yr old power arm for free wrong? The orioles put the impetus on this move because they want to get Jaret Wright for 3 mil. If he hit the open market, then he would likely command 5-6 mil a yr. Hence, they saved 2-3 million next yr alone by making this move. It cost them a 23 yr old power arm to do so. On the yankees end, they got Britton for free. On the Baltimore end, it was a cost conscious move. If Mazzone can get him righted, then the deal will be worth something.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Ah please Jaret Wright sucks. Do I think this is the greatest trade of all time? No, but considering the lack of bullpen arms on the FA market and our pen lack of depth I like this trade. Wright can be easily replaced by guys like Gil Meche and Ted Lilly. In fact if the Yankees wanted too I'm sure Phil Hughes could do what Jaret Wright did last year. Wright wont be missed.

[ORS]

They still need to replace Britton. Perhaps they go with MiLB options and it was a true cost saving move, but if they replace him with someone on the market, there goes the savings.

 

I don't think Baltimore makes that move if they think Wright is going to hit the market. Sure, by trading for him they save money on him and assure they get him, but it creates another hole. Angelos is not averse to spending money. Keeping Britton and signing Wright makes much more sense.

 

I'm unsure as to why any one would lend credence to anything the NY Post reports. They make a happy living on being wrong in regards to roster moves.

[Optimist]

It's official.

[riverside sluggers]

Ah please Jaret Wright sucks. Do I think this is the greatest trade of all time? No' date=' but considering the lack of bullpen arms on the FA market and our pen lack of depth I like this trade. Wright can be easily replaced by guys like Gil Meche and Ted Lilly. In fact if the Yankees wanted too I'm sure Phil Hughes could do what Jaret Wright did last year. Wright wont be missed.[/quote']

 

The Yanks' Triple A relief corp is looking to be solid by addition of 3 young promising relief pitchers. Good insurance during the season when they need to call someone up to the majors

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

The Yanks' Triple A relief corp is looking to be solid by addition of 3 young promising relief pitchers. Good insurance during the season when they need to call someone up to the majors

 

I was talking more about the majors. Farnsworth was ok last season, Proctor threw 100 innings last season so we will see how he bounces back, Ron Villion flamed out. I do like Brain Bruney alot. I do expect some contributions from guys like JB Cox during the season.

[jacksonianmarch]

I was talking more about the majors. Farnsworth was ok last season' date=' Proctor threw 100 innings last season so we will see how he bounces back, Ron Villion flamed out. I do like Brain Bruney alot. I do expect some contributions from guys like JB Cox during the season.[/quote']

 

That bullpen still has Mo.

Farns is still a pretty good middle reliever.

Proctor was solid, but yr 2 will be telling.

Bruney was solid, his heater is amazing, but will those walks hurt him?

Britton had a very strong yr with some serious work in his first MLB season. Can he lose weight?

Myers was solid as a lefty specialist and is under contract.

 

That is 5 options that are under contract. If you consider that Rasner or Karstens will make the team as the long man, Cox may be up, and Villone may be back, then some guys are gonna have to move either to another team or to the minors.

[Gom]

Why are people assuming Cashman was going to buy him out? Because that's what they would have done? Newsflash' date=' none of you work in baseball ops for a reason. I haven't seen that reported anywhere, so lets not give somebody credit for something that didn't happen. If the Orioles had any inclination to believe he would have been available for money only, they would have waited.[/quote']

 

How about reading the article whose link was posted above? I can't blame you for not knowing what goes on in NY, but when it is STATED so in the article above, I assumed you would read it instead of just guessing.

Right' date=' because the Yankees can force them to sign with them. There are strong indications that Schmidt isn't interested in leaving the west coast. And, while Zito has expressed interest in the NY market, there's another team with WIN-NOW written all over them and ever more grave needs in the rotation (and they have a GM not afraid of handing out big $$). No guarantees there.[/quote']

Nope, no guarantees there at all. However, it does look like the Yankees are going to make a stronger push than most expected in the Free Agent market. Most assumed one starting pitcher, now it looks like at least two or three. As you Red Sox fans love to point out, money talks. If any of you remember, eveyone used to say that the Yankees was the LAST place Mussina would ever go to.

Wright reuniting with Mazzone is relevant. I mean, it has to be with someone like you who wanted to congratulate the Yankees for deciding where Sheff went. If they get credit there, they get blame here. Trading Wright, while not the fear inducing player Sheff can be, to the O's was the worst possible place. His career best was with Mazzone, and they play the O's 19 times. Be consistent.

I think we can agree with each other that management in Baltimore is about as dumb as they get. The fact that the Yankees got what should be a serviceable reliever who should make their staff this year for someone they were going to buy out anyways in 24 hours is amazing [and incredibly short-sighted by the Orioles]. Unlike Sheffield, the Yankees didn't hold an option for a year. They had an option to expire in 24 hours. I'm sure the Red Sox didn't quake in their boots when you found out Wright was starting. Neither will we. Mazzone does well with pitchers, that is a given, but this is the AL East, which, last I checked, had better hitting than the NL East two years ago.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

With 2 spots now open in the roation and RJ a question mark to be ready for opening day it should be intresting to see who the Yankees target on the market.

[rician blast]

The Yanks' Triple A relief corp is looking to be solid by addition of 3 young promising relief pitchers. Good insurance during the season when they need to call someone up to the majors

 

 

also good trade bait. don't bet the house on all of these guys remaining with the Yankees.

[jacksonianmarch]

I can bet something is cooking.

[Cocos Disciples]

Probably. Whaddya thinks goin on down there?

[Gom]

Probably. Whaddya thinks goin on down there?

 

Well, I'm not sure what pitchers are available for trade. However, I can see the Yanks packaging some of the new prospects they have for an established starter. Either that, and/or an incredibly aggressive Yankees front office in the starting pitching market.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think it depends. If the Yankees got Matsuzaka then they wont need to do anything. If the yankees like Zito and can go balls to the wall for him, then they wont need to do anything. If Zito is wearing those hideous Mets colors next yr, then the yankees may need to consider something. Schmidt is an ace, but an aging one with injury trouble. Pettitte looks like his heart isnt in it. Clemens is Jaret Wright nowadays in terms of durability. Other than that, there are a few Clement-esque guys out there with potential over production and that's it. If the yankees resign Mussina, that gives them RJ, Mussina, and Wang. RJ is coming off back surgery and may not be ready for 07 right out of the gate. Mussina has had his share of arm and groin trouble. That is just the top 3. The 4 and 5 slots are wide open as of right now. Pavano is a wild card. If he can eat innings like he did in the past and post a sub 5 era, then he could be a solid 4. If he cannot, then that leaves the last 2 spots wide open. I think regardless, they need to land a good starter. If they dont get Zito, and are as low on Schmidt and Pettitte as I am, then they may make a deal for a power pitcher that fits their mould. There are players out there who have been bandied about. Guys like Peavy, Oswalt (not likely), Sheets, etc who may be available at a price. Or, they could decide to fill their holes with a second tier guy and wait for Sanchez and Hughes to develop. That is what I would do, as I think both Hughes and Sanchez could team with Wang and be a top 3 for the next 10 yrs that wont be rivalled, but we know the old MO and this may be wishful thinking.

[Gom]

I think you are off here, JM. I think that the Yankees will make a serious push and get at least one, if not both of the remaining free agent starters [i am already writing off Matsuzaka to the Red Sox]. That said, I can see them dealing all for a front line starter. I don't know much about the prospects the Yankees got, however, I wonder, and stress wonder, if they would be enough for a Peavy, Oswalt, or Sheets. Can anyone give me an opinion here?

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont know what to think about that issue. Thing is, the yankees will have 4 spots in their rotation filled with players under contract.

 

1. RJ - done after 07

2. Mussina- done after 08

3. Wang- controlled for another 4 yrs

4. Pavano- done after 08

5. ???

 

The one hole that will open up after this season will be filled by Hughes barring injury setback. That big hole in the rotation needs to be filled by a big name starter, I agree. Zito is the only guy I'd throw $$ at though. Young, left handed in yankee stadium is a good thing. But if you get 2 starters, that leaves 6 guys under big contract for 07. Pavano has no market yet, so you have to hope that he starts the season in the rotation and proves he is worth a flier by another team if you want him gone. I also could see the logic that says a pitcher who proves his worth could always be dealt for more prospects, but you cannot clog the holes for these young guys, at least not long term. We'll see, but I would be skeptical fo getting 2, but I definitely agree on 1.

[ORS]

How about reading the article whose link was posted above? I can't blame you for not knowing what goes on in NY' date=' but when it is STATED so in the article above, I assumed you would read it instead of just guessing.[/quote']

Excuse me for not believing something written in the NY Post. They really are a bastion of brilliant information regarding baseball moves. Kind of like you.

 

Mazzone does well with pitchers, that is a given, but this is the AL East, which, last I checked, had better hitting than the NL East two years ago.

Already posted this, and it didn't even require you to follow a link, so perhaps you should heed your advice about reading things. ERA+ accounts for league (and park). The best period of Jaret Wright's career was when he was pitching with Mazzone as his pitching coach.

 

Look, I agree that Baltimore struggles due to poor management. But is it so unrealistic for me to believe that they were aware of these rumors that the Yankees were going to let Wright go? Regardless of the folly of some of their moves, they are still paid professionals operating a big league club. There's no way they didn't know about these stories. For some reason, they thought they needed to act now in order to get him, so it's a safe bet that they didn't put much credence into them. Otherwise, they could have just signed him when the FA season begins and kept Britton.

[ORS]

I think you are off here' date=' JM. I think that the Yankees will make a serious push and get at least one, if not both of the remaining free agent starters [i am already writing off Matsuzaka to the Red Sox']. That said, I can see them dealing all for a front line starter. I don't know much about the prospects the Yankees got, however, I wonder, and stress wonder, if they would be enough for a Peavy, Oswalt, or Sheets. Can anyone give me an opinion here?

Houston is entering the tail end of Berkman's prime and they just extended Biggio. This doesn't suggest rebuild to me, and moving Oswalt will probably only occur when they start that process. They just lost Clemens and Pettitte (probably), so they have money to burn. If anything, I expect them to be serious contenders for the coveted FA pitchers.

 

If they don't get unlucky with injuries, Milwaukee looks like the class of the NL Central going into next year. Good pitching staff and loaded with young talent all over the field. Sheets is the franchise pitcher, but Davis is a FA after '07, so perhaps they would move him.

 

SD made the playoffs with an off year from Peavy. They are another team that looks good moving forward with a bunch of good young talent, and rumors have it that Wells may actually give it another go with them. Trading Peavy now seriously hurts their chances.

 

I'm not saying it can't happen, but these are some of the game's best pitchers. Beckett cost the Sox their best position prospect and a top pitching prospect. He had less track record than either of them, so I don't think discussions take place unless Hughes is involved. All indications point to Cashman not moving Hughes in any deal, so I'm skeptical that this is a possibility. Stranger things have happened though.

[Gom]

Excuse me for not believing something written in the NY Post. They really are a bastion of brilliant information regarding baseball moves. Kind of like you.

 

Actually, it was the Baltimore Sun, not the NY Post. Where did you get the NY Post from? Also, AP picked up on it, as well as foxsports. I didn't see any reason to post other links.

Already posted this, and it didn't even require you to follow a link, so perhaps you should heed your advice about reading things. ERA+ accounts for league (and park). The best period of Jaret Wright's career was when he was pitching with Mazzone as his pitching coach.

 

Look, I agree that Baltimore struggles due to poor management. But is it so unrealistic for me to believe that they were aware of these rumors that the Yankees were going to let Wright go? Regardless of the folly of some of their moves, they are still paid professionals operating a big league club. There's no way they didn't know about these stories. For some reason, they thought they needed to act now in order to get him, so it's a safe bet that they didn't put much credence into them. Otherwise, they could have just signed him when the FA season begins and kept Britton.

 

I do believe so. Just because you work for a professional sports team does not make you a true "professional" at your job. Professionals have made serious errors in judgement, most notably trades and signings. Kazmir for Zambrano, Twins letting Ortiz go, the list would number in the thousands...there was also this guy named George Herman who was traded.

 

I absolutely believe that one or more of the following happened 1) they did not hear the rumors that the Yankees were going to release Wright 2) They were afraid he would sign elsewhere 3) They didn't want to risk Wright going onto the market, lol 4) the Oriole front office are a bunch of morons

[ORS]

Actually' date=' it was the Baltimore Sun, not the NY Post. Where did you get the NY Post from? Also, AP picked up on it, as well as foxsports. I didn't see any reason to post other links. [/quote']

Jacksonian said it was in the Post.

 

I do believe so. Just because you work for a professional sports team does not make you a true "professional" at your job. Professionals have made serious errors in judgement, most notably trades and signings. Kazmir for Zambrano, Twins letting Ortiz go, the list would number in the thousands...there was also this guy named George Herman who was traded.

 

I absolutely believe that one or more of the following happened 1) they did not hear the rumors that the Yankees were going to release Wright 2) They were afraid he would sign elsewhere 3) They didn't want to risk Wright going onto the market, lol 4) the Oriole front office are a bunch of morons

They don't read the sports section of the local paper? Come on, you can't really believe that.

[Gom]

They don't read the sports section of the local paper? Come on' date=' you can't really believe that.[/quote']

 

Nothing else makes sense. The only thing that makes any sense at all is that they believed it would have cost them more money than 3 million to sign him, and Britton was worth it to them.