Now thats Classy

[Jon_Papelboner]

That's because all Yankee fans are egocentric' date=' so if they don't win everything all the time they imagine some paranoid conspiracy. Their has always been a bias in favor of Yankee players. Ted Williams won two triple crowns and in another year he hit .406. He didn't win the MVP any of those years. A bias maybe? How about how the media has always protected the image of Yankee Players like Mantle who was a vicious nasty drunk during his playing days. What about the press created reverence for the Yankee Clipper, who carefully cultivated and guarded his status as an icon until his death. In the mean time, he was a piece of human garbage. He was a physically abusive husband that had little or nothing to do with his own brothers (Dom was closer to Ted Williams than his own brother), and his son was destitute and indigent living in a junkyard in his fathers later years. It also irks me that fawning Yankee fans and the press attribute this stupid childish icon status to Jeter. It's just so ridiculous. If he's mentioned in story where he's not portrayed as a god, Yankee fans and the NY media are up in arms. It's quite sickening.[/quote']

 

Imagine if that was true!

[a700hitter]

Imagine if that was true!

Do some research. The Yankee Clipper's son that died about a year after the Clipper was destitute and living in a junk yard. He was much different from his carefully crafted public image, but you wouldn't know that because you never read real accounts of the man's life. He was a prick to Mantle when he came up as a rookie. He didn't even talk to the kid. His pettiness continued well into his retirement. Did you know that at Old Timers Day, as a condition of him attending he had to be introduced as "The Greatest Living Yankee" and he had to be introduced last. I believe that even on Mickey Mantle Day, he would only agree to being introduced at the same time as Mantle so as not to be upstaged. He was a great guy and a wonderful man. Research his life, and not just the old sports pages.

[BudLight]

Do some research. The Yankee Clipper's son that died about a year after the Clipper was destitute and living in a junk yard. He was much different from his carefully crafted public image' date=' but you wouldn't know that because you never read real accounts of the man's life. He was a prick to Mantle when he came up as a rookie. He didn't even talk to the kid. His pettiness continued well into his retirement. Did you know that at Old Timers Day, as a condition of him attending he had to be introduced as "The Greatest Living Yankee" and he had to be introduced last. I believe that even on Mickey Mantle Day, he would only agree to being introduced at the same time as Mantle so as not to be upstaged. He was a great guy and a wonderful man. Research his life, and not just the old sports pages.[/quote']

 

Who cares what kind of people these guys are? They are not my neighbors or my friends. The only character they have to have as far as I am concerned is whether they can come up big for the team in a big spot' date=' and no one does that better than Ortiz. That's enough character for me.[/quote']

 

You are partially correct though, Dimaggio did ignore his son while living the celebrity life during his career. He was not much of a father, but to clarify, Joe the third lived in a trailer and worked in a junkyard. He was an alcoholic and addicted to drugs. Joe left him $20,000 a year in his will, but because Joe III died five months after his father, it really didn't matter. It would have been much better if he had three kids who fought over freezing or cremating him after his death.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

This gets exhausting. Red Sox fans want David Ortiz to win and Yankee fans want Derek Jeter to win.

 

....the difference is the Red Sox have a good argument for Ortiz to win and the Yankees don't have one for Derek Jeter. So instead I hear more Yankee fans saying Travis Hafner, Jermaine Dye, etc should win the MVP. Whatever it takes to ruin the opposing competitors spirit.

 

The second a Red Sox player opens his mouth...a Yankee fan over critiques, over analyzes, and simply uses it as a method to start a fight between rivals.

 

Now thats classy....

[JeterWifey213]

The second a Red Sox player opens his mouth...a Yankee fan over critiques, over analyzes, and simply uses it as a method to start a fight between rivals.

 

Hello Pot, if DJ would've said that Ortiz doesn't deserve it b/c he's a DH everyone on this board would be going insane.

 

....the difference is the Red Sox have a good argument for Ortiz to win and the Yankees don't have one for Derek Jeter.

 

I've heard it all.

 

Before someone says it " Know your territory"

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Hello Pot' date=' if DJ would've said that Ortiz doesn't deserve it b/c he's a DH everyone on this board would be going insane. [/quote']

 

Hi

I've heard it all.

 

Before someone says it " Know your territory"

 

....talksox.com??? A Red Sox talk forum.

[JeterWifey213]

....talksox.com??? A Red Sox talk forum.

 

 

*SMH* That was in reference to me, I was saving someone’s time and saying it before they came out and said it. My wording was eh lol.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

*SMH* That was in reference to me' date=' I was saving someone’s time and saying it before they came out and said it to moi.[/quote']

 

Ah I see. Well tell me since you've heard it all.....give me a recap on why Derek Jeter should win the MVP. Give me a 50 word paragraph and I'll see if it makes any sense. Like you...I've heard it all. I want someone to summarize it so I can fully understand where you are all coming from.

[a700hitter]

You are partially correct though' date=' Dimaggio did ignore his son while living the celebrity life during his career. He was not much of a father, but to clarify, Joe the third lived in a trailer and worked in a junkyard. He was an alcoholic and addicted to drugs. Joe left him $20,000 a year in his will, but because Joe III died five months after his father, it really didn't matter. It would have been much better if he had three kids who fought over freezing or cremating him after his death.[/quote']The difference is that the Boston press did not cultivate a reputation for Ted Williams as an icon and hero as the NY Press created for the Yankee Clipper. To the contrary Williams was ravaged regularly by the Boston press that called him a draft dodger etc. Williams unlike Dimaggio was not a phony. In his autobiography, he is quite open about his failings as a husband and father. DiMaggio carefully guarded his false public image until he died.

[Mr Crunchy]

williams walked off the field after his last ab went yard and he promptly tossed the sox press box the bird

he wasnt a warm man

he did do some incredible work with charity thats never been spoken of

he hit 406 and didnt win the mvp with a boston writer keeping him off the ballot

he won the triple crown and didnt win the mvp either

 

he had his reasons and to hate the press

 

personally speaking i dont care about individual awards

that being said

anyone in ny who'd admit that jetsey is move valuable than ortiz is very very full of s***

[BudLight]

MOST Valuable Player - I don't think Jeter should win the MVP this year and I don't think Ortiz should win it, or Dye. Here's why, I believe a player who performed well above expectations for a club that is in a position to win their division or grab the wild card, when no one expected them to, should be the MVP. My vote goes to Justin Morneau of the Minnesota Twins.

[Mr Crunchy]

morneau or even their pitcher wouldnt be a bad move

id accept it

whats the yanks record since abreau came aboard??

think that helped them over the top??

Irods work with pitching staff has been incredible in detroit but his offensive #s dont justify mvp votes...however where are they without him??

same place as the sox are i feel

 

jermaine dye has muscle around him

hes also had a huge year

i have no issue with him getting it

 

the issue i have is jeters power#s or lack there of and his limited range at short

johnny damon is the yankees spark

jetsey isnt the best short stop on his own team and may win the batting title

i saw boggs win several batting titles while playing great 3b and hitting for more power

i dont recall an mvp

[BudLight]

morneau or even their pitcher wouldnt be a bad move

id accept it

whats the yanks record since abreau came aboard??

think that helped them over the top??

Irods work with pitching staff has been incredible in detroit but his offensive #s dont justify mvp votes...however where are they without him??

same place as the sox are i feel

 

jermaine dye has muscle around him

hes also had a huge year

i have no issue with him getting it

 

the issue i have is jeters power#s or lack there of and his limited range at short

johnny damon is the yankees spark

jetsey isnt the best short stop on his own team and may win the batting title

i saw boggs win several batting titles while playing great 3b and hitting for more power

i dont recall an mvp

 

I think Morneau along with Mauer have carried that team all season. No one expected Morneau to have this type of year, he was still supposed to be developing. Dye, while I can't argue his numbers, he gets a lot of protection in that lineup with Thome and Konerko. I still have a problem with pitchers winning MVP awards. Jeter has had a good year offensively, but his lack of power numbers should eliminate him from the MVP race. I tend to agree that the media hypes a Yankee being in the MVP race because they play in New York. Johnny Damon has had a career year in NY even though he has missed quite a few games due to injuries. The one to watch I think next year is Cano on that team, he is really coming into his own. Nice to see a homegrown kid exceeding expectations.

[empirestrikesback26]

This gets exhausting. Red Sox fans want David Ortiz to win and Yankee fans want Derek Jeter to win.

 

....the difference is the Red Sox have a good argument for Ortiz to win and the Yankees don't have one for Derek Jeter. So instead I hear more Yankee fans saying Travis Hafner, Jermaine Dye, etc should win the MVP. Whatever it takes to ruin the opposing competitors spirit.

 

The second a Red Sox player opens his mouth...a Yankee fan over critiques, over analyzes, and simply uses it as a method to start a fight between rivals.

 

Now thats classy....

 

You're saying that through a sox fans' eyes. Obviously you're not going to objectively say who has a better case.

 

Yes, I do want Jeter to win, but I agree with you guys in that he's not the most deserving. But neither is Ortez. Dye deserves it.

[26 to 6]

The difference is that the Boston press did not cultivate a reputation for Ted Williams as an icon and hero as the NY Press created for the Yankee Clipper. To the contrary Williams was ravaged regularly by the Boston press that called him a draft dodger etc. Williams unlike Dimaggio was not a phony. In his autobiography' date=' he is quite open about his failings as a husband and father. DiMaggio carefully guarded his false public image until he died.[/quote']

So because he didn't publicly flaunt his dirty laundry he's a bad person?

 

Joe DiMaggio is my FAVORITE YANKEE EVER, and I have no choice but to agree with you on the facts you stated, because they're all true. DiMaggio was a dick to Mantle when he came up, his son did live a degenerate life in a trailer park, he was somewhat controlling, and he did his best to preserve his public image. Everybody has flaws, but because he didn't want to publicly ackowledge them and put himself down, you put him down? He got the image that he had because he played hard, played great, and won championships. Before you want to grant Teddy Ballgame sainthood in comparrison to Joe D, take into account that Ted's kids turned out to be pricks themselves, like Ted. What kind of player spits at his home fans? And not just any player, one of the greatest players ever; an icon. And it's no wonder he didnt have the image Joe did, he was a prick to the media as well. Probably had something to do with Ted not winning those MVP awards. Every action that hhas a reaction, and Joe understood e would achieve more success if he maintained an image. He was a proud man who came from an underprivledged childhood and reaped all the benefits of his success as best he could. He was the best living Yankee, and probably the best living baseball player, so why not be introduced that way? I think your attempts to villify Joe D are ridiculous.

 

Hello Pot, if DJ would've said that Ortiz doesn't deserve it b/c he's a DH everyone on this board would be going insane.

W+EXACTLY. But we don't have to worry about that. Jeter isn't that type. He doesnt care. He'll let the award come to him in a quiet, classy manner.

 

Ah I see. Well tell me since you've heard it all.....give me a recap on why Derek Jeter should win the MVP. Give me a 50 word paragraph and I'll see if it makes any sense. Like you...I've heard it all. I want someone to summarize it so I can fully understand where you are all coming from.

Well why do you think Ortiz deserves it more than Jeter? Let me guess, is it because Ortiz plays solid defense? Or how about his ability to move runners over via sac bunts, opposite field hits,and legging out ground balls? How about his baserunning ability? How about the fact that he defied odds and led his team, which was hit by a hurricaine of injuries, to the playoffs?

 

..i'm guessing it's none of those. Big Papi is a one dimensional player who can just hit Home Runs and drive runs in. Jeter can do everything, and do it well. Jeter's versatility as a player isn't credited enough.

 

And lets not forget that Derek Jeter will be playing baseball next month, David Ortiz won't be because his team couldn't hold onto a season-long lead in front of a team that had 13 different players on the DL, including Matsui, Sheffield, Dotel, Cano, Mussina, etc.

I know you guys can blame a lot on injuries as well, but we took the division lead before any of your significant injuries occured, so that arguement doesn't hold ground, sorry. So spare me.

 

Jeter plays a good SS?

He sure does. I dont care what you guys say, Derek Jeter plays a very good defensive shortstop.

 

Does anyone else feel that him saying 'Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be." is almost like saying everyone on his team sucks?

I also think it's ridiculous. Mark Loretta, Wily Mo, Manny, Trot Nixon, Varitek, etc. arent bad players. The fact that they have underacheiving and injured players can't be an excuse because the Yankees have dealt with exactly the same and didn't complain about it.

 

But whoever said that baseball players are supposed to be classy. Plenty of the greats of the game were classless, crude or worse. Ruth was a crude, rude drunk. What about Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle who was one of the nastier drunks you could meet during his playing days. The same goes for Whitey Ford. Clemens has suffered his entire career from foot in mouth disease, and Wade Boggs engaged in his share of classless selfish behavior. So, who cares about Papi's remarks.

Nobody said baseball players had to be classy, but Ortiz has a classy reputation, so these statements could sort of protray him as a phony.

 

Hey Ortiz, why don't you try hitting with someone other than Ramirez behind you? Oh wait, you did. Yeah, not a product of the lineup at all. Meanwhile Jeter is a consistent .317 career hitter, from his rookie of the year campaign in '96 to this year in '06. Barking up the wrong tree there Papi.

Great Post

 

Just like Derek Jeter, Big Papi always has a mike in his face. Unlike Jeter, Papi opens up and speaks from the heart every day. Jeter basically has about 5 or 6 platitudes that he recites like "we take it one game at a time" and some other pointless drivel.

 

No one can utter Jeter's name unless they are praising him to the heavens or it's an international incident. Here's the scoop on the precious Jeter. He's a really good to excellent player. He's got above-average hands, slightly above-average arm, average to slightly below average range. He's an excellent base runner that has lost a half of a step. He's a very good to excellent #2 hitter (this year he's excellent) who can occasionally hit one out (sometimes with the help of a fan). That's it. He's not an icon. If he gets 3,000 hits he should go to the HOF. If he doesn't get the 3,000 hits, he shouldn't go to the Hall, because he is no better a player than Robbie Alomar or Bill Buckner and countless others that fell short of 3,000 hits who had limited power.

Why does Jeter deserve criticism because he's a smart man who knows how to handle the media and knows exactly what to say? As for why he should or shouldnt make it to the hall of fame, your arguements and points are great ones, if you're talking about just any schmo. Jeter is a special player. He is a champion, clutch hitter, icon, role model, leader, and captain. There are things beyond stats that need to be taken into consideration.

 

At least the Pats will beat the Jets this weekend.

That's really relevant.

[26 to 6]

Now lt me chime in on my thoughts regarding the MVP award.

 

 

As a Yankee fan, i'm obviously rooting for Jeter. This would be a huge accomplishment for him, and I think he deserves it. That being said, you can't go wrong with Papi or Dye either. When the Jeter MVP talk first started I was a little confused and thought ot myself "Jeter doesn't have a chance, it's all Papi this year." Obviously, my tune has changed a little, but like I said, either of the 3, and maybe even Morneau or Mauer would be respectable MVPs.

[ORS]

So because he didn't publicly flaunt his dirty laundry he's a bad person?

I didn't read it as him calling him a bad person. I read it as him calling him a phony. Phony isn't necessarily bad, but it certainly isn't real. The situation between Papi and Jeter today is similar. One speaks his mind, the other stays on script. One is phony, one is real. The real guys always rub someone the wrong way, like Ted did, and that hurts their MVP chances. Papi will probably never win one after this. You know what? Who cares, at least he's real.

 

Or how about his ability to move runners over via sac bunts, opposite field hits,and legging out ground balls? How about his baserunning ability?

Those are important, but just about any middle infield schmoe can do them. If they really added that much value, you'd see lots of this......

 

CAIRO FOR MVP!

 

And lets not forget that Derek Jeter will be playing baseball next month, David Ortiz won't be because his team couldn't hold onto a season-long lead in front of a team that had 13 different players on the DL, including Matsui, Sheffield, Dotel, Cano, Mussina, etc.

I know you guys can blame a lot on injuries as well, but we took the division lead before any of your significant injuries occured, so that arguement doesn't hold ground, sorry. So spare me.

The winning argument is the worst of all. Each player is 1 out of 9 in the lineup, and none of them pitch. Penalizing a Hafner or Ortiz because their pitching staff blows is something that is completely indefensible, well, at least it is indefensible by logical standards, but I'm sure you won't use those.

 

You took the lead before significant injuries? You had the lead in May when Wells went down? You took the lead in June when the Sox rotation was down to 3 and the drek from the waiver wire? Please.

[riverside sluggers]

I know you guys can blame a lot on injuries as well' date=' but we took the division lead [b']before any of your significant injuries occured[/b], so that arguement doesn't hold ground, sorry. So spare me.

 

Try Again

 

End of June through All-Star Break/Trading Deadline... the beginning of the Sox swoon (ahem before Sox lost the lead)

 

Varitek (Javy Lopez, Mirabelli & Huckaby handling the calling game while wielding their "hot bats")

Clement (still a better starter than Jason Johnson)

Wakefield (much missed starter who could give his team innings, and a decent 4+ ERA)

Wells (didnt return until it was too late

Manny (knee injury has taken a huge chunk of playing time, relegating to Youk hitting 3rd in the lineup in August)

Trot (shouldnt be kept as a starter, but still had been team's best #5 hitter at time he went down)

[a700hitter]

So because he didn't publicly flaunt his dirty laundry he's a bad person?

No, he was a bad guy, because he was a bad guy.

 

Joe DiMaggio is my FAVORITE YANKEE EVER' date=' and I have no choice but to agree with you on the facts you stated, because they're all true. DiMaggio was a dick to Mantle when he came up, his son did live a degenerate life in a trailer park, he was somewhat controlling, and he did his best to preserve his public image. Everybody has flaws, but because he didn't want to publicly ackowledge them and put himself down, you put him down? He got the image that he had because he played hard, played great, and won championships.... I think your attempts to villify Joe D are ridiculous.[/quote'] I'm not villifying him. I'm just pointing out that the reality was very different than the phony public image created by the press and cultivated by the DiMaggio.

Before you want to grant Teddy Ballgame sainthood in comparrison to Joe D' date=' take into account that Ted's kids turned out to be pricks themselves, like Ted. What kind of player spits at his home fans? And not just any player, one of the greatest players ever; an icon. And it's no wonder he didnt have the image Joe did, he was a prick to the media as well. Probably had something to do with Ted not winning those MVP awards.[/quote']I never even said Williams was a good guy, never mind a saint. All I said was that he was not a phony. He was very open about his failings as a husband and father. The Clipper on the other hand was a phony. Thank you for proving my point that these awards are nothing more than popularity contests by pointing out that Boston writers didn't vote for him because they didn't like him. Any award system based on popularity instead of merit is worthless and corrupt. BTW: The reason for Williams hard feelings against the fans was because the Press starting villifying him in his second season whipping up the fans against him. Maybe if the NY Press had scewed the Clipper over in his first or second season he would have had a different attitude towards the press and the fans.

And lets not forget that Derek Jeter will be playing baseball next month' date=' David Ortiz won't be because his team couldn't hold onto a season-long lead in front of a team that had 13 different players on the DL, including Matsui, Sheffield, Dotel, Cano, Mussina, etc.[/quote']Ryan Howard won't be playing ball in October either. No one is debating whether he should get the award, because he's not up against a Yankee.

He sure does. I dont care what you guys say' date=' Derek Jeter plays a very good defensive shortstop.[/quote']I agree. He's good, but he's not great.

Why does Jeter deserve criticism because he's a smart man who knows how to handle the media and knows exactly what to say?

He never says anything other than pointless platitudes.

As for why he should or shouldnt make it to the hall of fame' date=' your arguements and points are great ones, if you're talking about just any schmo. [b']Jeter is a special player. He is a champion, clutch hitter, icon, role model, leader, and captain. There are things beyond stats that need to be taken into consideration.[/b]That's really relevant.

These so-called special qualities are nothing more than manifestations of a popularity contest. They should not be considerations in determining Hall membership.

[Cityofchampions33]

It HAS to go to soemone on teh Twins, I eman its amazingw hat theyre doing, theyve stayed hot for like 2 months straight and now just a game back fo teh MLBS best Tigers. Id give it to Santana, as hes consistently been their stopper and true ace. I mean to climb the toughest division in baseball is an accomplishment i feel is being overlooked.

[empirestrikesback26]

I doubt they give the MVP to a pitcher.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

My MVP pick is Mauer, but I really don't feel like engaging in this right now...

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

MOST Valuable Player - I don't think Jeter should win the MVP this year and I don't think Ortiz should win it' date=' or Dye. Here's why, I believe a player who performed well above expectations for a club that is in a position to win their division or grab the wild card, when no one expected them to, should be the MVP. My vote goes to Justin Morneau of the Minnesota Twins.[/quote']

 

Good post. Exactly what I was looking for from someone on the board. I like your reasons and deffinition of what an MVP is. I can't say either Derek Jeter or David Ortiz performed above expectations. They both did exactly what they were supposed to do. David Ortiz drove in a ton of runs and hit a lot of HRs. Derek Jeter played solid baseball. Justin Morneau gave life to a weak Minnesota Twins offense to help push them into a contender.

 

Well why do you think Ortiz deserves it more than Jeter? Let me guess, is it because Ortiz plays solid defense? Or how about his ability to move runners over via sac bunts, opposite field hits,and legging out ground balls? How about his baserunning ability? How about the fact that he defied odds and led his team, which was hit by a hurricaine of injuries, to the playoffs?

 

Instead of answering my question you danced around the subject and backfired a bunch of questions of your own. Was Derek Jeter's performance that amazing this year or is it based on the fact no other Yankee is worthy this season of an MVP. Someone from NY has to be mentioned in the MVP race or baseball just wouldn't make sense.

 

David Ortiz was as much deserving of an MVP last season as Alex Rodriguez. Part of that makes me feel he should get the award this season after matching his stats from a year before. Does Ortiz lack in certain intangibles.....absolutly. His sole purpose is to be an offensive force and he does it better than anyone. Ask any pitcher in the league and I bet they tell you the last person they want to face with the game on the line is David Ortiz. They would rather allow Derek Jeter to play solid defense, sac bunt, and beat out a double play than have to face David Ortiz with the game on the line.

 

Big Papi is a one dimensional player who can just hit Home Runs and drive runs in.

 

All Cris Carter does is catch touchdowns.....that was just a foolish comment on your part.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I can't say either Derek Jeter or David Ortiz performed above expectations.

 

Jeter is hitting 72 points about his OPS last year. I would say he is proforming above expectations no?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Jeter is hitting 72 points about his OPS last year. I would say he is proforming above expectations no?

 

No thats about right. His defense is no better than any other year so his defense should not win him the MVP. His batting average is up but still a career .317 hitter. He still walks and strikes out the same amount. His RBI are up but thats the nice thing of having Damon hitting in front of you. His HRs are down from past years but still decent for a middle infielder. Other than his batting average....nothing really jumps at you. SLU is below .500 but still pretty good. OBP is up but again thats the nice thing of having great protection in the lineup.....

 

I'm sorry its just not so amazing that I would stamp an MVP on it. There are too many players more deserving. At this point I'm actually looking more at Justin Morneau or Johan Santana rather than Jeter or Ortiz. Where would the Minnesota Twins be without either of those guys?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

No thats about right. His defense is no better than any other year so his defense should not win him the MVP. His batting average is up but still a career .317 hitter. He still walks and strikes out the same amount. His RBI are up but thats the nice thing of having Damon hitting in front of you. His HRs are down from past years but still decent for a middle infielder. Other than his batting average....nothing really jumps at you. SLU is below .500 but still pretty good. OBP is up but again thats the nice thing of having great protection in the lineup.....

 

I'm sorry its just not so amazing that I would stamp an MVP on it. There are too many players more deserving. At this point I'm actually looking more at Justin Morneau or Johan Santana rather than Jeter or Ortiz. Where would the Minnesota Twins be without either of those guys?

 

Are you saying that a 72 point jump in OPS is no big deal? A 900+ OPS for a middle of the field player is quite impressive.

 

EDIT: The same goes for Joe Mauer.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Are you saying that a 72 point jump in OPS is no big deal? A 900+ OPS for a middle of the field player is quite impressive.

 

EDIT: The same goes for Joe Mauer.

 

I'm not saying its bad but I mean....David Ortiz OPS is 1.022

[ORS]

I'm not saying its bad but I mean....David Ortiz OPS is 1.022

I think you are missing the point. A 1.000 OPS from a DH/1B is quite common. Thome, Howard, Ortiz, Pujols, Hafner, and Berkman all are above 1.000. A .900 OPS from a MIF is actually more rare. Only 3 are doing it now (Jeter, Guillen, Durham ).

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I'm not saying its bad but I mean....David Ortiz OPS is 1.022

 

Again relative to his position when you get an OPS of over 900 out of a mid field player its quite impressive and very valuable. If Derek Jeter was a DH I wouldnt even bother arguing.

 

Thats why I'm a big Joe Mauer and Derek Jeter supporter. Joe Mauer's offensive production out of the catchers position has allowed the Twins to live with a weak LF and 3B. Derek Jeter's production out of SS has made up for have Melky and a combo of Bernie Williams, Aaron Guiel, Bubba Crosby in the COF spots(up untill late July when Abreu showed up) and under production for A-Rod. With all due respect to Justin Morneau hes doing what a good AL first basemen should do. I do like the Johan Santana pick. He is certainly a legit player in this. If I were to vote today I would vote for Joe Mauer. But of late he has slumped of late so that wont help him.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I think you are missing the point. A 1.000 OPS from a DH/1B is quite common. Thome' date=' Howard, Ortiz, Pujols, Hafner, and Berkman all are above 1.000. A .900 OPS from a MIF is actually more rare. Only 3 are doing it now (Jeter, Guillen, Durham ).[/quote']

 

BINGO!