Now thats Classy

[BudLight]

Ortiz deserves serious consideration for MVP along with several others: Mauer, Morneau, Dye, Jeter. As for Papi's "lack of class", it's quite uncharacteristic of him, maybe he gets a bonus for winning the award, I don't know what else could motivate him to make those comments. Here's a link to Jeter's response: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2584168

[He Hate Me]

ooh zinged

[CrespoBlows]

I don't know why Jeter would be the MVP. If the Yankees lost Jeter, they lose a talented player, but that team wouldn't stop hitting. Jeter has good numbers, but I have to believe their MVP is Johnny Damon. For the past two years they've had atrocious offensive and defensive centerfielders, Damon finally stablized the position, and is among the best CF's in the game.

 

Anyway, I would select Johan Santana as the most valuable player*. Without him, they've got Carlos Silva as their ace.

 

 

 

 

*Since no one picks pitchers, I'd go with Mauer or Morneau.

[riverside sluggers]

Even before these comments, it was obvious Ortiz wasnt going to win the MVP, he was just letting his agressions out (his health, missing time, team spiraling downward due to barrage of injuries, being snubbed last year). Baseball (& Baseball writers) care jack s*** about DH's, especially Ortiz. He could have a monumental season of 60 HRs/175 RBIs, and he'd still just get a basket of mini-muffins at his locker because "he doesnt play defense".

[rician blast]

if you read the whole original article you see that Ortiz is all over the place on this.

 

Why was he talking about the MVP in the first place? Because he was ASKED whether he thought he'd win it...and clearly he thinks he has no shot.

 

What's missing from the whole thing is the transcript of how the media asked the questions and exactly what questions were asked.

 

This is typical media, typical ESPN...CREATE a story, get a potentially contentious quote, then run to the other guy and say "what do you think of what he said."

 

Now Jeter's comment might seem to be a "comeback" or put-down but he probably just matter of factly said "we're not thinking about MVP right now." Of course the story sells better if we all believe their is all sorts of tension going on.

 

The fact remains that there is some truth to what Ortiz said, but it is what it is and the story needs to go away...of course the media doesn't want that now, do they?

[He Hate Me]

Actually I think ESPN picked it up from the Boston Globe, could be wrong though.

 

I still stand by my comments about Varitek.

[riverside sluggers]

That sound you hear is the bus backing up with Big Papi's teammates underneath. Sorry David' date=' not everyone in the lineup gets to hit with Manny batting right behind them.[/b']

 

So Youkilis, Loretta, Trot, Varitek, Lowell, and Gonzo... hypothetically if they were hitting in front of Manny, they could have "Ortiz" numbers?

 

Jeez he still cant get recognition outside of Boston that he is in fact a good hitter. Guess he'll have to prove it in the playoffs, no he'd one that before. Well its not like teams (including Yankees) are intentionally walking to him to get to Manny instead, no wait thats already being done

[He Hate Me]

So Youkilis, Loretta, Trot, Varitek, Lowell, and Gonzo... hypothetically if they were hitting in front of Manny, they could have "Ortiz" numbers?

 

Jeez he still cant get recognition outside of Boston that he is in fact a good hitter. Guess he'll have to prove it in the playoffs, no he'd one that before. Well its not like teams (including Yankees) are intentionally walking to him to get to Manny instead, no wait thats already being done

 

Please refer to my original post where I state that I think Ortiz has MVP numbers before putting a label on me. The issue isn't with whether Ortiz is deserving of the MVP or not (as mentioned several times by me, I think he is), it is the self-serving statements he made.

 

They won't have Ortiz's numbers but I'm sure they would be hitting closer to the top of their ability. Ortiz has great ability in him which is brought out by Manny's presence behind him. If you don't think Manny's presence makes a big difference in Ortiz's numbers, I think you might be the only person around who thinks that. If you want to turn this into a scaled down version of Manny vs. Papi, you're welcome to do it. My whoile purpose in brining this up was because I was surprised that these kind of statements could come from someone who is supposedly a lovable Big Brother type guy.

[Cityofchampions33]

I ahve been losing a lot of respect for the MVP award, just because it's all over the place in who wins it. They have the word "valuable" in the award name, but they don't neccisarily give it to the most valuable player around.

If that were the case, I'd say eitehr Mauer or Morneau or Santana should get it, as theyve been playing in the toughest division in baseball and giving the Tiggs a run for their money. Also, thatd mean Jeter wouldn't get it as he has an all-star filled lineup all around him.

But sometimes teh award gives it to the player with the best stats, a la ARod with Texas. And that should mean Papi will win this year as he leads or is at the top of many categories.

 

So Im very confused, and because of this not sure who shoudl win

[ARod2212]

Hey Ortiz, why don't you try hitting with someone other than Ramirez behind you? Oh wait, you did. Yeah, not a product of the lineup at all. Meanwhile Jeter is a consistent .317 career hitter, from his rookie of the year campaign in '96 to this year in '06. Barking up the wrong tree there Papi.

[Bostons_Finest]

News to Ortez: It is not who hits the most homers and has the most RBI's' date=' [b']it is who helps the team the most.[/b] Ortez has no chance at all now that his team is out of it. Just an idiotic thing to say which surprises me. I used to think he was a pretty cool guy, but after saying this, I have all lost respect as a person.

 

then why A-rod win the mvp in texas?

[a700hitter]

Just like Derek Jeter, Big Papi always has a mike in his face. Unlike Jeter, Papi opens up and speaks from the heart every day. Jeter basically has about 5 or 6 platitudes that he recites like "we take it one game at a time" and some other pointless drivel. Papi said what was on his mind this time, and it's absolutely true, but the scum suckers in the press needed a story and a controversy. Papi meant no disrespect to Jeter. It's not Papi's fault that Jeter is a pop-gun hitter on a powerhouse team. That's just a fact, and Jeter should take no offense. When has he been an offensive force? He never has. He's a singles hitter that wasn't a very good lead-off hitter (too many DPs) which is why they had to get Damon. He's a #2 hitter. The meat of an order is the #3 and #4 and #5 hitters. Yeah, Jeter has hit #3 a little this year, but he's not the #3 guy. Jeter should take no offense that Papi said he doesn't compare. It was his honest opinion and not a diss, because he doesn't compare. Game on the line, down two runs with two men on and any pitcher in baseball (let me repeat "any pitcher") would rather face Jeter than Ortiz. That's just a fact and Jeter's shouldn't be offended that Papi would say it.

 

When Manny got robbed of a homer by Melky earlier this year, Ortiz looked at Manny and said "that's why I hit mine 450 feet so I don't have to deal with that." Is that a disrespect to Manny? No, it's just a fact, and Manny wasn't offended unlike the prima dona in NY. Really, what is with the obsessed Jeter groupies? No one can utter Jeter's name unless they are praising him to the heavens or it's an international incident. Here's the scoop on the precious Jeter. He's a really good to excellent player. He's got above-average hands, slightly above-average arm, average to slightly below average range. He's an excellent base runner that has lost a half of a step. He's a very good to excellent #2 hitter (this year he's excellent) who can occasionally hit one out (sometimes with the help of a fan). That's it. He's not an icon. If he gets 3,000 hits he should go to the HOF. If he doesn't get the 3,000 hits, he shouldn't go to the Hall, because he is no better a player than Robbie Alomar or Bill Buckner and countless others that fell short of 3,000 hits who had limited power. Final word: Game on the line this year or last year: anyone in his/her right mind wants to see Ortiz hitting above any other AL player. That's what makes him the MVP. Like Dizzy Dean used to say, "If you can do what you say, it ain't braggin." Papi wasn't braggin and he wasn't putting Jeter down, he was just saying it like it is, so the pinstripe whining Jeter groupies have to get over it. They make me nauseas

[Jon_Papelboner]

As we all know a real valuble player throws his teammates under the bus to boost his MVP chances. A real team player.

[schillingouttheks]

Oh please. You sound like you think Ortiz doesn't give a s*** about his teammates. Give me a break.

[Jon_Papelboner]

Oh please. You sound like you think Ortiz doesn't give a s*** about his teammates. Give me a break.

 

The comments are what they are. "You try and hit in this lineup." You're trying to tell me that's a nice thing to say about his team?

[schillingouttheks]

You know that his "lineup" has been pieced together with scrubs the past 2 months. Besides, he's such a respectable player that, if anyone, Ortiz has the right to call out his teammates in any shape or form to try to get them to step it up.

 

You guys are unbelievable.

[jsinger121]

http://www.diana-kirchhoff.online.de/reisen-htm/nordkap03/media/troll.jpg

 

Jon Papelboner? I think so

[Jon_Papelboner]

You know that his "lineup" has been pieced together with scrubs the past 2 months. Besides, he's such a respectable player that, if anyone, Ortiz has the right to call out his teammates in any shape or form to try to get them to step it up.

 

You guys are unbelievable.

 

Exactly, that's what I believed until this came out. Now I'm not so sure what kind of a person he is. Totally out of character.

[schillingouttheks]

Exactly' date=' that's what I believed until this came out. Now I'm not so sure what kind of a person he is. Totally out of character.[/quote']

 

He's probably frustrated. Jesus, he opens his mouth and goes out of character ONCE, and you're all flipping out.

 

jsinger, as much as I agree with that picture about papelboner, that was a BIT much.

[a700hitter]

Who cares what kind of people these guys are? They are not my neighbors or my friends. The only character they have to have as far as I am concerned is whether they can come up big for the team in a big spot, and no one does that better than Ortiz. That's enough character for me.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

If David Ortiz was a NY Yankee and Derek Jeter was on the Boston Red Sox......there would be no conversation.....Ortiz would be the hands down MVP (team records aside).

 

Just the advantage of being in NY. Seems like every year they have players mentioned in the MVP race. Baseball just gets old.

 

At least the Pats will beat the Jets this weekend.

[a700hitter]

If David Ortiz was a NY Yankee and Derek Jeter was on the Boston Red Sox......there would be no conversation.....Ortiz would be the hands down MVP (team records aside).

It would be a unanimous vote.

[Jon_Papelboner]

LOL, no. Everybody hates the yankees and everybody includes sports writers who vote. There's definitely an anit-yankee senitiment with sports writers, and if you don't see that, then you're just as ignorant as Ortiz.

[jsinger121]

LOL' date=' no. Everybody hates the yankees and everybody includes sports writers who vote. There's definitely an anit-yankee senitiment with sports writers, and if you don't see that, then you're just as ignorant as Ortiz.[/quote']

 

If that is true then how did ARod win the MVP last year?

[Jon_Papelboner]

Somehow you guys have been brainwashed into thinking all the MVP is all things are equal except for offensive stats. Record doesn't matter, position the play doesn't matter, all that matters is that they have the most homers and RBI's.

 

Well I'm here to say there's more to it than that or Ortiz would still be a lock.

[Jon_Papelboner]

If that is true then how did ARod win the MVP last year?

 

Because he played a good thirdbase and had equal to better offensive numbers than ortiz. Simple as that. It doesn't have that big an impact, but to say people are pro yankee is absurd. Almost as absurd as what Ortiz said.

[JeterWifey213]

Some things should just be kept away from the media. Might have been taken out of context, :dunno: Each guy is valuable to their team so eh. The only problem I have with the comments are that his ( Ortiz) definition of MVP is a bit off. You don't have to hit the 40 HRs and have the 100 + Rbis to be MVP. That's why IMO Mo should've won a s*** load of them.

[rician blast]

WFAN's listeners were all riled up over this the last two days.

 

Hearing those perspectives, the issue just becomes comical.

 

this thing should be entering 'who gives a sh*t' mode right about....oh....now.

[a700hitter]

LOL' date=' no. Everybody hates the yankees and everybody includes sports writers who vote. There's definitely an anit-yankee senitiment with sports writers, and if you don't see that, then you're just as ignorant as Ortiz.[/quote']That's because all Yankee fans are egocentric, so if they don't win everything all the time they imagine some paranoid conspiracy. Their has always been a bias in favor of Yankee players. Ted Williams won two triple crowns and in another year he hit .406. He didn't win the MVP any of those years. A bias maybe? How about how the media has always protected the image of Yankee Players like Mantle who was a vicious nasty drunk during his playing days. What about the press created reverence for the Yankee Clipper, who carefully cultivated and guarded his status as an icon until his death. In the mean time, he was a piece of human garbage. He was a physically abusive husband that had little or nothing to do with his own brothers (Dom was closer to Ted Williams than his own brother), and his son was destitute and indigent living in a junkyard in his fathers later years. It also irks me that fawning Yankee fans and the press attribute this stupid childish icon status to Jeter. It's just so ridiculous. If he's mentioned in story where he's not portrayed as a god, Yankee fans and the NY media are up in arms. It's quite sickening.

[JeterWifey213]

It also irks me that fawning Yankee fans and the press attribute this stupid childish icon status to Jeter.

 

lmao.