5th starter

[Goalstopper]

as you probably know one of our weakness of this slump is/will be the fifth starter. sndyer was good but for some reason tito doesn't like hime. and johnson i haven't seen an inning where he hasn't given up a run. it seemed like we were doing pretty well with four, why do we need five;) . i am sure francona has heard of "if it can't be fixed it's not broken." but I will give francona the benefit of the doubt because managing is one of the hardest jobs and you worry alot.

 

anyways, i was thinking that instead of getting a quality pitcher we could get a prospect from our farm teams instead. since i don't follow pawtucket closely do we have a good starter in pawtucket,portland right now? maybe we could go for the free agents? Willis? i am missing others. who else? what happened to snyder?

 

P.S I hope I made sense. if it didn't don't kill me.

[schillingouttheks]

Smoltz possibly. Snyder's in AAA and they're working with him.

 

Sorry, but hah, you got some grammar issues man. :dunno:

[jsinger121]

Get Snyder up here ASAP.

[schillingouttheks]

I would give Hansen a spot start, and call up Snyder. If Hansen does well in his start, let him have another. Use Snyder out of the bullpen maybe? He can't be much worse than Seanez. If Hansen struggles, put him back in the 'pen, and put Snyder in the rotation again. Give him a few starts. If he struggles, back down to AAA so he can work with the staff again, and THEN make a move. I'd love to keep Hansen if we can, and I really think we should only make a move if everything we already have fails.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

are there any updates on Boomer?

[Goalstopper]

 

Sorry, but hah, you got some grammar issues man. :dunno:

 

 

oh well at least you know what i am saying;)

[jsinger121]

are there any updates on Boomer?

 

still struggling to walk on his knee. don't count on him returning this year.

[Beckett95]

Snyder is the best option for now, and if he can't get the job done, i think we'll have to go outside of the organization. I think Boomers done and Clement might be to.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps looking to far ahead. But as I see it, we're currently pretty much set with our 1-4. Our need for a 5th starter is not dire. We don't need a stud ( although nice if at the right price ). What we need is a journey man 500 % pitcher who eats up some innings. Thus keeping the load off the bullpen. Come the playoffs, the rotation becomes a four man rotation due to travel days. I believe the more pressing need is for middle and long relievers, as I'm sure most will agree our current situation is sub par with Tarves and Seanez.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps looking to far ahead. But as I see it, we're currently pretty much set with our 1-4. Our need for a 5th starter is not dire. We don't need a stud ( although nice if at the right price ). What we need is a journey man 500 % pitcher who eats up some innings. Thus keeping the load off the bullpen. Come the playoffs, the rotation becomes a four man rotation due to travel days. I believe the more pressing need is for middle and long relievers, as I'm sure most will agree our current situation is sub par with Tarves and Seanez.

 

I would love to add Damaso Marte....a decent lefty setup man who had success in the AL before.

[Papelbon58]

the pirates are obviously down on Oliver Perez, I say we give him a shot

[Cocos Disciples]

Marte and Perez in a package? Perez gets a lot of strikeouts, he could be a plus #5 starter, and Marte a good 7th inning lefty maybe. If they put something together for those 2 guys, I'd be pretty happy.

[juliedon]

I think they should really give snyder another start. Spot starting Hansen is too risky because the sox are so concerned with their prospects heads and well-being. Hansen is a closer and he knows that. The only reason he was starting in Pawtucket was so he could throw a lot, work on his command and add another pitch. I'm not saying he is Cla Meredith or anything, but giving a major league start to a guy who is not a starter is tough.......

[Goalstopper]

Maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps looking to far ahead. But as I see it, we're currently pretty much set with our 1-4. Our need for a 5th starter is not dire. We don't need a stud ( although nice if at the right price ). What we need is a journey man 500 % pitcher who eats up some innings. Thus keeping the load off the bullpen. Come the playoffs, the rotation becomes a four man rotation due to travel days. I believe the more pressing need is for middle and long relievers, as I'm sure most will agree our current situation is sub par with Tarves and Seanez.

 

good point

[DirtDog]

Move Papelbon into the rotation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But seriously, I like Pauley or Synder or even DiNardo way better than Johnson. Or just keep the 4 man rotation with occasional spot starts.That seemed to work well.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Marte and Perez in a package? Perez gets a lot of strikeouts' date=' he could be a plus #5 starter, and Marte a good 7th inning lefty maybe. If they put something together for those 2 guys, I'd be pretty happy.[/quote']

 

that would be interesting...there was a time I was real high on Oliver Perez. Unfortunatly at this time he is the type of pitcher I can't stand....a guy who does nothing but give batters free passes. I don't understand why a guy with his stuff has struggled so much. I wouldn't mind getting him with Marte and attempt to fix his stuff. If he was terrible he could always go to Pawtucket where he is still a young hard throwing lefty.

[TheKilo]

that would be interesting...there was a time I was real high on Oliver Perez. Unfortunatly at this time he is the type of pitcher I can't stand....a guy who does nothing but give batters free passes. I don't understand why a guy with his stuff has struggled so much. I wouldn't mind getting him with Marte and attempt to fix his stuff. If he was terrible he could always go to Pawtucket where he is still a young hard throwing lefty.

 

I'm still in the "Don't Panic" camp...I don't think we need to do something for the sake of doing something. Let's see what Snyder can give us first. This is definitely something worth looking into, though. Perez's 2004 season was crazy good:

 

2.98 ERA

139 ERA+

1.15 WHIP

 

He's got good enough stuff to where he can be an effective pitcher. Whether or not he can harness it in the AL is another question.

[schillingouttheks]

Didn't someone on this board suspect Perez and steroids?

 

Not trying to spark anything, just trying to remember if someone did. Besides, I think he lost velocity from that '04 season, and at his age, you don't normally lose velocity. Which is why he was under suspicion I think.

[Papelbon58]

that is a good point, but I think he is the most reasonable idea from outside the organization

From inside, I'd bring Pauley back up. He kept us in games, even in New York, the best 5th starter we have in my opinion

[RoyNHSox]

For Pauley, I think he needs to spend consistent developmental time in AAA for now.

 

Snyder would seem the likely choice from inside the organization. I’m not sure what more can be gained for him to staying in the minors and having options allows for roster flexibility.

 

I’m wondering why Abe Alavarez never gets mentioned. They’ve already brought him up this year so his last option year has been used. At the very least he should be able to do a better job than what we’ve seen from Johnson, and if he can’t then he probably doesn’t deserve to be on the 40 man roster.

[MC Hammer]

that would be interesting...there was a time I was real high on Oliver Perez. Unfortunatly at this time he is the type of pitcher I can't stand....a guy who does nothing but give batters free passes. I don't understand why a guy with his stuff has struggled so much. I wouldn't mind getting him with Marte and attempt to fix his stuff. If he was terrible he could always go to Pawtucket where he is still a young hard throwing lefty.

The reason he has struggled is because he no longer has his stuff. He is a fastball pitcher, and he no longer has his fastball. I'd say he is one of the clear victims of the steroid era ending. His 97-99MPH Fastball is now a 89-92MPH Fastball. The only thing that will be able to fix Oliver Perez is an undetectable steroid. There is nothing good about Perez, and I'd rather start Clement 5 straight games than trade for Perez.

[jsinger121]

I’m wondering why Abe Alavarez never gets mentioned. They’ve already brought him up this year so his last option year has been used. At the very least he should be able to do a better job than what we’ve seen from Johnson, and if he can’t then he probably doesn’t deserve to be on the 40 man roster.

 

Because he is an extreme fly ball pitcher who has gotten killed recently in Pawtucket. He was a wasted pick by the Red Sox and you now see why they are staying away from drafting abe alvarez type pitchers earlier in the draft.

[Papelbon58]

Abe Alvarez was terrible in the AAA game I saw against Richmond, not a hot hitting team

If he through something straight, it was in the outfield for a hit or homer

[schillingouttheks]

The reason he has struggled is because he no longer has his stuff. He is a fastball pitcher, and he no longer has his fastball. I'd say he is one of the clear victims of the steroid era ending. His 97-99MPH Fastball is now a 89-92MPH Fastball. The only thing that will be able to fix Oliver Perez is an undetectable steroid. There is nothing good about Perez, and I'd rather start Clement 5 straight games than trade for Perez.

Thank you, I knew someone thought the same as me.

[MANNYHOF24]

Thank you, I knew someone thought the same as me.

 

Yeah Perez and B.K Kim. Wasnt kim throwing 95-97 when he was lights out with the D-backs?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Yeah Perez and B.K Kim. Wasnt kim throwing 95-97 when he was lights out with the D-backs?

 

Is it possible to throw 95-97 with a BK Kim throwing motion??

 

As for Perez if his velocity is gone at age 22 or however old he is....thats very strange. I would think something was up (steroids) cause that doesn't make any sense. The only other explanation is an injury to his arm. If he is damaged goods then there is no sense in trying to aquire him.....but my feelings on Damaso Marte still stand.

[ORS]

I thought I read somewhere that Perez' velocity loss was due to a change in mechanics because they wished to preserve his arm from his previous violent delivery.

[riverside sluggers]

Tim Wakefield is scheduled to go for an MRI as he has been battling a sore back all season. Wake has been our 3rd, if not 2nd best starter at times. It would be a big loss if he were to go on the DL and almost assuredly this where Theo would start making the calls

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Tim Wakefield is scheduled to go for an MRI as he has been battling a sore back all season. Wake has been our 3rd, if not 2nd best starter at times. It would be a big loss if he were to go on the DL and almost assuredly this where Theo would start making the calls

I heard that too. However, I beleive it was in the context of pitching starts after the All Star break. Wakefield was supposed to start the first game after the break, but they've decided to push it back a few days. Currently there is no plan to put him on the DL.

[Cocos Disciples]

God that would be terrible.