Most Overrated Players

[michtier]

Does anyone have the complete list of the players' votes for Most Overrated Player? I saw the Newsday article that lists Jeter, Beltran and A-Rod, but couldn't find a link for the entire list. Thanks in advance.

[mtbykr]

Does anyone have the complete list of the players' votes for Most Overrated Player? I saw the Newsday article that lists Jeter, Beltran and A-Rod, but couldn't find a link for the entire list. Thanks in advance.

 

 

jeter won the "most overated" according to SI!

[jsinger121]

jeter won the "most overated" according to SI!

 

Thats pretty ridiculous considering Jeter is one of the best players in baseball. The guy plays the game right and he gets called overrated.

[ksushi]

I love Jeter. I have to admit, Jeter is one of the many athletes who make me giggle on a regular basis. Puljols, Oswalt, Jeter and Felix for baseball, then there is Tom Brady, Rodney Harrison and LT.

[stocker323]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/players/05/02/poll.0502/index.html

[redsoxrules]

3 yankees oh boys wait til riv see's this

those votes are by MLB players too

[TheRivernator]

who cares.

[Jeff04]

I don't think that jeter is the MOST overrated, but he should be on the list somewhere. He does play hard and gets clutch hits, but his numbers never really are not as fabulous as he is made out to be. But overall, because of his hustle he shoulldn't be number 1 on the list

[He Hate Me]

jealousy, pure and simple.

[rician blast]

I don't think that jeter is the MOST overrated, but he should be on the list somewhere. He does play hard and gets clutch hits, but his numbers never really are not as fabulous as he is made out to be. But overall, because of his hustle he shoulldn't be number 1 on the list

 

I don't have the stats readily available, but I think it was Olney who wrote an article not long ago about clutch and non-clutch guys in terms of hitting. Jeter was one of the WORST.

 

It was based upon the typical "clutch" measures like hits that drove in tieing or go-ahead runs from the 7th inning on. I was actually very surprised that his average in those situations was so paltry, but I think its part of the media's constant harping on how clutch he is.

 

Don't get me wrong here...I like Jeter, I respect him for what he is, which is a solid SS and a very good hitter overall. I like some of the things he's done on the field (the flip to Posada against Oakland, etc.) but I don't buy into the hype that he is so clutch. If I can find that article I'll post it.

[He Hate Me]

I don't have the stats readily available, but I think it was Olney who wrote an article not long ago about clutch and non-clutch guys in terms of hitting. Jeter was one of the WORST.

 

It was based upon the typical "clutch" measures like hits that drove in tieing or go-ahead runs from the 7th inning on. I was actually very surprised that his average in those situations was so paltry, but I think its part of the media's constant harping on how clutch he is.

 

Don't get me wrong here...I like Jeter, I respect him for what he is, which is a solid SS and a very good hitter overall. I like some of the things he's done on the field (the flip to Posada against Oakland, etc.) but I don't buy into the hype that he is so clutch. If I can find that article I'll post it.

 

Jeter's rep as clutch comes from the fans who watch him play. I think we would have a better idea of how good Jeter is in certain situations. All the stats and fancy formulas in the world can't replace what your eyes see.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

who cares.

That was my reaction as well as Derek Jeter's reaction if you read the article in the post when it came out. If you notice all 3 players play in New York and have HUGH contracts. As He Hate Me said its jealousy, pure and simple.

[rician blast]

Jeter's rep as clutch comes from the fans who watch him play. I think we would have a better idea of how good Jeter is in certain situations. All the stats and fancy formulas in the world can't replace what your eyes see.

 

"stats and fancy formulas" may not tell the whole picture...I agree on that...but tell me this:

 

Did David Ortiz's stats from last year support what we Red Sox fans saw all year in terms of his clutchness? Consider:

 

Ortiz hit .352 with runners in scoring position, and he hit .346 in close and late situations, defined as any situation in the seventh inning or later, ahead by a run, tied, or with the tying run on base, at the plate, etc.

 

He lead the league with 21 game winning RBIs in '05 while 19 of his HRs gave the Sox a tie or lead.

 

Without hearing those numbers ALL Sox fans already know what a clutch performer he was in 2004 and 2005...the numbers simply SUPPORT what "our eyes see".

 

So In Jeter's case, why would our eyes tell us a story so different from what the numbers say? Again, not bashing Jeter, I like him, I think he's a great player, but I don't buy into the alleged "clutchness".

[He Hate Me]

"stats and fancy formulas" may not tell the whole picture...I agree on that...but tell me this:

 

Did David Ortiz's stats from last year support what we Red Sox fans saw all year in terms of his clutchness? Consider:

 

Ortiz hit .352 with runners in scoring position, and he hit .346 in close and late situations, defined as any situation in the seventh inning or later, ahead by a run, tied, or with the tying run on base, at the plate, etc.

 

He lead the league with 21 game winning RBIs in '05 while 19 of his HRs gave the Sox a tie or lead.

 

Without hearing those numbers ALL Sox fans already know what a clutch performer he was in 2004 and 2005...the numbers simply SUPPORT what "our eyes see".

 

So In Jeter's case, why would our eyes tell us a story so different from what the numbers say? Again, not bashing Jeter, I like him, I think he's a great player, but I don't buy into the alleged "clutchness".

 

I never thought much of Tom Brady because for the early part of his career, his numbers seemed pretty pedestrian to me or at most above average. However, I heard plenty of Patriots fans who told me that you had to watch Tom Brady for a whole season to appreciate how well he performs in key situations.

[jsinger121]

I never thought much of Tom Brady because for the early part of his career, his numbers seemed pretty pedestrian to me or at most above average. However, I heard plenty of Patriots fans who told me that you had to watch Tom Brady for a whole season to appreciate how well he performs in key situations.

 

He can also put up stats as well. He did lead the NFL in passings yards last year by throwing for over 4100.

[He Hate Me]

He can also put up stats as well. He did lead the NFL in passings yards last year by throwing for over 4100.

 

I was talking about the early part of his career.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Dealing with "overrated players"...usually you can go by there contracts but here is my list...

 

Barry Zito

Scott Podsednik

Richie Sexson

Alfonso Soriano

 

my #1 most overrated player.....Adrian Beltre

[rician blast]

I never thought much of Tom Brady because for the early part of his career, his numbers seemed pretty pedestrian to me or at most above average. However, I heard plenty of Patriots fans who told me that you had to watch Tom Brady for a whole season to appreciate how well he performs in key situations.

 

Going by what my eyes tell me, and I watch a fair amount of Yankee games as well, I can say i've been astonished by the amount of game-ending, inning-ending, rally-ending at bats Captain Intangibles has had the last 2 years. I don't think I need to see every game to say he's a great all-around player, but is not as clutch as the ball-washing Yankee writers would have us believe.

 

Let's look at another example....in hockey. I have watched virtually every Bruins game for years. Joe Thornton put up nice overall numbers, no question. But "my eyes" told me that when the heat was on, the guy wasn't going to get it done. In the playoffs I never felt I could count on him.

 

What did the numbers say? The numbers said he was a horrible playoff performer in his tenure with the Bruins. Good regular season numbers...the kind of player often referred to in baseball circles as a "number hanger" but not a true clutch performer (at least not with the B's) And this was on some B's teams that were at or near the top of the heap in terms of regular season points.

 

Jeter is a heady player, good baserunner, good situational guy, solid, but not great, defender, very good hitter. Has he been clutch in recent seasons at the plate? By the definition baseball's guru's are using, the answer is no. I'm not sure how watching him ground out or pop out in late innings in tight games, a fact that bears out in the numbers, can be dismissed if one watches more often.

 

It is what it is...he is what he is...but the numbers don't lie.

[TheRivernator]

Dealing with "overrated players"...usually you can go by there contracts but here is my list...

 

Barry Zito

Scott Podsednik

Richie Sexson

Alfonso Soriano

 

my #1 most overrated player.....Adrian Beltre

 

I liyour list, but sori cannot be on there. a 2b with power and speed coming as advertised. Mine would include

 

 

Jason Kendall

Brad Wilkerson

Justin Morneau

John Garland

JARET WRIGHT

 

etc

[Cocos Disciples]

they say mueller is one of the most underrated. maybe in 2003, but lately, hes back to a .280/10/60 guy, which, in my opinion, is not underrated. hes overrated.

[TheRivernator]

Going by what my eyes tell me, and I watch a fair amount of Yankee games as well, I can say i've been astonished by the amount of game-ending, inning-ending, rally-ending at bats Captain Intangibles has had the last 2 years. I don't think I need to see every game to say he's a great all-around player, but is not as clutch as the ball-washing Yankee writers would have us believe.

 

Let's look at another example....in hockey. I have watched virtually every Bruins game for years. Joe Thornton put up nice overall numbers, no question. But "my eyes" told me that when the heat was on, the guy wasn't going to get it done. In the playoffs I never felt I could count on him.

 

What did the numbers say? The numbers said he was a horrible playoff performer in his tenure with the Bruins. Good regular season numbers...the kind of player often referred to in baseball circles as a "number hanger" but not a true clutch performer (at least not with the B's) And this was on some B's teams that were at or near the top of the heap in terms of regular season points.

 

Jeter is a heady player, good baserunner, good situational guy, solid, but not great, defender, very good hitter. Has he been clutch in recent seasons at the plate? By the definition baseball's guru's are using, the answer is no. I'm not sure how watching him ground out or pop out in late innings in tight games, a fact that bears out in the numbers, can be dismissed if one watches more often.

 

It is what it is...he is what he is...but the numbers don't lie.

 

Seriously, Jeter is not all that clutch over his career. He isnt, but think about it. The guy has the intangibles, as people call it. He has the desire to win at all costs. He always seems to be huge in big moments. Not May or April ballgames, but those games in October when he is really needed. He makes the plays when we really need them. 2001 vs Oakland for instance. He is always in the right place at the right time and almost never seems to make a mistake in crunch time. I agree with the Brady references. I'd go one step farther, he is Montana-esque. While ARod and Nomar put up the big numbers in the late 90s, Jeter was winning championships with a team that man for man was not the best but TEAM wise was unstoppable. Also, I think he was isolated the past 2 yrs and hence why he was not as productive. What we all love about this guy is that he is very fundamentally sound. He will not only get the hits and make the plays, but he will sacrifice, hit and run and hit to situations. That was lost with him in the leadoff slot the last 2 yrs and I think it made him a worse player. Now that he is back in the 2 hole, you can see his impat has improved and he and Damon are a great top 2 tandem. Either way, Jeter is an easy target, but fans from NY who arent filled with Yankee hate or jealousy can see why he occupies a different space than most other ballplayers. And no stupid poll can change that....

[Manny Goes Boom]

Seriously, Jeter is not all that clutch over his career.

 

Maybe not clutch compared to Papi, but hes probably (behind Sheffield) the last guy on the Yankees I want to see up in a key situation late in the game against us. I've seen enough times where hes come through to have respect for that. Granted I haven't watched A TON of Yankee games, but I've seen enough to know. (his walkoff in Game 5 against AZ in 01, he did stuff too against us in 04 which made me cringe as well.)

[TheRivernator]

Maybe not clutch compared to Papi, but hes probably (behind Sheffield) the last guy on the Yankees I want to see up in a key situation late in the game against us. I've seen enough times where hes come through to have respect for that. Granted I haven't watched A TON of Yankee games, but I've seen enough to know. (his walkoff in Game 5 against AZ in 01, he did stuff too against us in 04 which made me cringe as well.)

 

that is just how he is. He isnt a Papi who will do it every game from april to october. He's the guy who will do it in the swing games that start winning streaks. He'll do it when the season is on the line. He did it to pedro in 2003. Look at any solid yankee comeback in the playoffs and he is there in either a prominent or secondary role....

[Moose]

Bartolo

[SCM33]

that is just how he is. He isnt a Papi who will do it every game from april to october. He's the guy who will do it in the swing games that start winning streaks. He'll do it when the season is on the line. He did it to pedro in 2003. Look at any solid yankee comeback in the playoffs and he is there in either a prominent or secondary role....

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=betweenthenumbers/ortiz/060405

 

Umm... read this before claiming who is or isnt clutch.....

 

When we analyze play-by-play data, David Ortiz does rate as a clutch hitter overall, but most of the damage was limited to just two seasons, 2000 and 2005. Take those two years away, and his lifetime clutch rating is essentially zero. He didn't rate as a clutch hitter in 2004 -- at least not during the regular season -- or in 2002. It isn't a bad track record, but if clutch hitting really exists, one would expect more consistency out of the "greatest clutch hitter in the history of the Boston Red Sox."

[SCM33]

I would have to say Eric Byrnes is very overrated. Everyone loves the guy and talks about how hardhe plays and how much he hustles. Case in point, he goes after balls very hard and aggressive because he takes such awful routes in the OF. He turns a routine play in to an adventure and makes an incredible diving catch because he traveled all over the country before taking the correct route.

 

He is also an abysmal offensive player with zero on base skills, and doesnt run the bases well. I still have the memory of him missing home plate and throwing a hissy fit like a jackass before Varitek tagged him out during the playoffs.

 

In addition, I would say our very own Trot Nixon is an overated player. He never quite did what he was supposed to do, but his dirtdog persona overshadows what he actually accompishes on field. Solid player? yes, but i think we always expect more.

[ahhchon]

Dealing with "overrated players"...usually you can go by there contracts but here is my list...

 

Barry Zito

Scott Podsednik

Richie Sexson

Alfonso Soriano

 

my #1 most overrated player.....Adrian Beltre

 

i wouldn't consider beltre an overrated player, no one even considers him a good player anymore.. most predicted his year was a fluke.

 

you can't really call barry zito overrated, he put up great numbers before, he might not be lights out anymore but he's still a solid pitcher and is an ace on 75% of the clubs in mlb.

 

podsednik and soriano i agree with completely, i would also add carlos beltran and carl pavano (even though we all know he sucks)

 

john

[rician blast]

Seriously, Jeter is not all that clutch over his career.

 

exactly what I've been saying

 

He makes the plays when we really need them. 2001 vs Oakland for instance.

 

true, I noted this and used the play vs. Oakland as an example earlier

 

Also, I think he was isolated the past 2 yrs and hence why he was not as productive.

 

isolated? I have no idea what you mean by isolated...on a team that boasts three $20+ million guys (at least this year's salaries) in Jetes, ARod and Giambi, also includes Sheffield, Matsui, Cano, Posada...more talent than ANY OTHER TEAM...how can he be considered "isolated"?

 

What we all love about this guy is that he is very fundamentally sound. He will not only get the hits and make the plays, but he will sacrifice, hit and run and hit to situations.

 

like I said, very good all-around player, solid but not spectacular d-man, good hitter, good baserunner, knows the game.

 

Now that he is back in the 2 hole, you can see his impat has improved and he and Damon are a great top 2 tandem.

 

thanks for mentioning this...basically what you are saying is he is surrounded by the best team that money can buy. His productivity is, will be and has always been, assisted by the talent around him.

 

He's a very good player and appears to be a good team guy. He still ain't clutch at the plate though.

[ahhchon]

you could drop scott hatteberg in the 3 or 4 spot in the yankee lineup in his contract year and he'll get signed with a 5 year 65 mill contract the next season.

 

john

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

i wouldn't consider beltre an overrated player, no one even considers him a good player anymore.. most predicted his year was a fluke.

 

you can't really call barry zito overrated, he put up great numbers before, he might not be lights out anymore but he's still a solid pitcher and is an ace on 75% of the clubs in mlb.

 

podsednik and soriano i agree with completely, i would also add carlos beltran and carl pavano (even though we all know he sucks)

 

john

 

I have a hard time adding Carl Pavano because of injuries. Although I don't believe he is as good as his contract I still can't add him unless he plays. Barry Zito has been a .500 pitcher since his Cy Young and that was a while ago. He is still at the top of Oaklands pitcher list but in all honesty I think Rich Harden is the guy I would want on the hill. Reminds me a lot of Brad Radke before Santana was there....they called him the ace of the Twins but was he really an ace??....or just a quality pitcher...i think the term "ace" gets thrown around too easily.