Most Overrated Players

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Actually, these were the statistics I posted.

 

.332 Career Hitter

.377 Career OBP

.819 Career OPS

190 SB in 5 years (38 per season)

All time leader for hits in a season (262)

1130 career hits in 5 seasons (226 per season, INCREDIBLE)

 

 

 

Lets compare the stats that I provided keeping in mind that I do agree that Dunn is the superior power hitter, so he obviously hits more HR and has more RBI's.

 

DUNN

.248 career hitter

.383 career OB%, .06 greater than Ichiro, so no... not greatly larger

.901 career OPS....well thats a little strange, for a big hulking power hitter he is only .82 greater in the BIG power hitter category.

We wont bring up the speed issue.

Most hits in a season for Dunn, 151...Ichiro averages 226

In 4+ seasons he has 564 hits.....Ichiro almost had that over a 2 year period.

 

 

What does the rest of major league baseball think?

Well Ichiro has been IBB 86 times in his career....a leadoff hitter, IBB'd 86 times, while the big hulking slugger has been IBB'd 48 times in his career.

 

 

Lets go further. Doubles....Ichiro has 135, Dunn has 127...Triples? 41 to 6. Strikeouts? Ichiro has fanned 313 times in his career, Dunn has fanned 733 times.

 

The only thing that clearly seperates them is the fact Dunn hits more HR.....thats it. That leads to the higher OPS, because its clear ichiro has outhit him in every other statistical category....singles, doubles, and triples all go to ichiro. The HR attributes to the higher OPS and Dunn also plays with a helluva better lineup than Ichiro. Ichiro has miserable ball players around him in that lineup.

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Ok, I am outta here for the night, It was nice debating with you, I see your points Alexander, I just hope you see mine as well...It depends on what you are looking for in a hitter I guess. It was nice discussing this with you, I will catch ya later.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Actually, these were the statistics I posted.

 

.332 Career Hitter

.377 Career OBP

.819 Career OPS

190 SB in 5 years (38 per season)

All time leader for hits in a season (262)

1130 career hits in 5 seasons (226 per season, INCREDIBLE)

 

 

 

Lets compare the stats that I provided keeping in mind that I do agree that Dunn is the superior power hitter, so he obviously hits more HR and has more RBI's.

 

DUNN

.248 career hitter

.383 career OB%, .06 greater than Ichiro, so no... not greatly larger

.901 career OPS....well thats a little strange, for a big hulking power hitter he is only .82 greater in the BIG power hitter category.

We wont bring up the speed issue.

Most hits in a season for Dunn, 151...Ichiro averages 226

In 4+ seasons he has 564 hits.....Ichiro almost had that over a 2 year period.

 

 

What does the rest of major league baseball think?

Well Ichiro has been IBB 86 times in his career....a leadoff hitter, IBB'd 86 times, while the big hulking slugger has been IBB'd 48 times in his career.

 

 

Lets go further. Doubles....Ichiro has 135, Dunn has 127...Triples? 41 to 6. Strikeouts? Ichiro has fanned 313 times in his career, Dunn has fanned 733 times.

 

The only thing that clearly seperates them is the fact Dunn hits more HR.....thats it. That leads to the higher OPS, because its clear ichiro has outhit him in every other statistical category....singles, doubles, and triples all go to ichiro. The HR attributes to the higher OPS and Dunn also plays with a helluva better lineup than Ichiro. Ichiro has miserable ball players around him in that lineup.

I value OPS and OBP more then most of those stats. AVG is overrated and SB's is also overrated IMO. As I said before 226 hits most are singles. Hes a singles hitter who steals bases. I prefer someone like Dunn whos a thumper. BTW you mentioned Giambi before and if you look at the careers I think Giambi has also been better. In fact in 2001 when Ichiro won the MVP Giambi really should have won it.

[guapo34]

HMMMM I believe I ALSO posted his offensive numbers, which overall are better than most LHH in the game......find one with better all around numbers besides Ortiz. You cant, and wont. Therefore my initial statement was correct regardless.

 

Ortiz? Arguments can be made, very different approaches

Giles? No

Edmonds? No

Giambi? No

Anderson? No

Hafner or Dunn like you suggested? Well all the above players are better than those two. So again No.

 

I guess I made a mistake, because the thread is OVERALL PLAYERS, and I typed overall hitter when in fact you knew exactly what I was suggesting anyway, and replied that Ichiro was overrated when in fact he is not. Numbers wise, hes clearly one of the best combing speed, on base skills, some power (15 HR last season) and an unbelievable ability to make contact.

 

 

I'd like to jump in here and say that Hafner, other than Ortiz, is the best hitter in the names you've all thrown out here and in this particular post you rate him as the worst. .394 OBP career and its been over .400 for the last 2+years, .566 slugging career but once again higher than that the last 2+ years. I'd argue the most underated player in baseball.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Id like to throw in very randomly that I was pleased to see both Loretta and Mueller on the underrated list according to Major League players.

[redsoxrules]

Not to rehash the Jeter conversation... but his numbers in the postseason are worse than the regular season numbers.

Papis numbers on the other hand are better in the postseason

 

So to say " Papi hits clutch during the whole year but Jetes turns it up and hits clutch in the postseason" would be inncorrect.

 

 

Jeter's number in the post season arent that worse than the regular season

regular season .314, post season .307

 

Papi is still the man tough :thumbsup: