Wily Mo revisited

[SCM33]

riverside.......you beat me to it, and said almost the same exact thing haha

[SCM33]

Think about it, the reds dealt him when his value is low, but at high value, which he will get to by the AS break, he could head a package for a Zito...

 

Low? We dealt a pretty valuable pitcher who is lighting up the NL....dealing a 23 year old for a proven solid big league arm is hardly suggesting Pena was of low value.

[jsinger121]

Actually Wily Mo is 24 years old and he has been playing baseball professionally since age 17 when he was signed out of the Dominican Republic.

[SCM33]

Actually Wily Mo is 24 years old and he has been playing baseball professionally since age 17 when he was signed out of the Dominican Republic.

 

 

Hey thanks for pointing that out, but that has no significance to my post either way, because I made the point in many other areas which you convienently left out to bait me. So thanks anyway.

[MC Hammer]

Low? We dealt a pretty valuable pitcher who is lighting up the NL....dealing a 23 year old for a proven solid big league arm is hardly suggesting Pena was of low value.

Valuable pitcher? A 14-10 pitcher with a 4.51 ERA is valuable? Last year he was less valuable than the Pirates 5th starter.

 

Proven solid big league arm? His career 4.59 ERA only proves to me that he was never worthy of being in our rotation.

[seabeachfred]

Well it would help if he would start balancing it out starting tomorrow. Kind of remember a guy named Randy Johnson that we are facing. Good time to start, wouldn't you agree?

[TheKilo]

Well it would help if he would start balancing it out starting tomorrow. Kind of remember a guy named Randy Johnson that we are facing. Good time to start, wouldn't you agree?

 

 

Balancing what out? He's hitting .368 over his last ten games, .309 over the last 30 days.

 

 

The power numbers will come when pitchers feel they have to adjust to his ability to hit the outside pitch and come back inside. Plus, we have seen that Wily Mo has power to all fields.

 

 

Link to Pena's stats.

[jsinger121]

Balancing what out? He's hitting .368 over his last ten games, .309 over the last 30 days.

 

 

The power numbers will come when pitchers feel they have to adjust to his ability to hit the outside pitch and come back inside. Plus, we have seen that Wily Mo has power to all fields.

 

 

Link to Pena's stats.

 

He means balance out his splits v.s. LHP and RHP. Pena is hitting better against righties than he is against lefties and it is not even close.

[seabeachfred]

Kilo, I was responding to his average against lefties which is something like 220 or so. That seems strange since his problem has never been against lefties but righthanders. That is the balancing out that I meant. Face it, he is not going to keep hitting 368 against righties the rest of the season. Pitchers will make adjustments. When the average against RH's goes down, we certainly hope it goes up against southpaws. If not, we may be stuck with a white elephant.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Don, this may be a stupid question but are you the same guy I see and hear on MLB.Com for the Red Sox. If so, welcome aboard. I love hearing you and Rem. I only hope you get as nervous and uptight as I do watching the Red Sox. Man, I love that team but they drive me wild and mad and crazy and out of my mind. Use whatever influence you have to get them to have a laugher once in awhile. Anyway, if you are THE D.O. keep up the good work and let's get the Orioles this weekend.

 

wow

[SCM33]

Valuable pitcher? A 14-10 pitcher with a 4.51 ERA is valuable? Last year he was less valuable than the Pirates 5th starter.

 

Proven solid big league arm? His career 4.59 ERA only proves to me that he was never worthy of being in our rotation.

 

 

The point was, we werent giving up a bag of balls. To say Arroyo had little value is a little ridiculous. Middle of the road ERA, won 14 games, has a bargain contract. He was a very valuable trading piece.

 

However, if you are saying we stole Pena for Arroyo, I do agree with that, I think everyday he is getting better and better, but I dont think that Arroyo was invaluable.

[seabeachfred]

Hey Keep the Faith, Don Orsillo has posted on Sons of Sam Horn and the Red Sox forum so it was not inconceivable that he might post on here. So your wow shouldn't such a surprise. At least I'll give you credit for not trying to get personal with me as that other ******* did. Besides, when you stop and think of it why would a poster take the handle of some announcer instead of being original and having one of his own?

[TheKilo]

Hey Keep the Faith, Don Orsillo has posted on Sons of Sam Horn and the Red Sox forum so it was not inconceivable that he might post on here. So your wow shouldn't such a surprise. At least I'll give you credit for not trying to get personal with me as that other ******* did. Besides, when you stop and think of it why would a poster take the handle of some announcer instead of being original and having one of his own?

 

 

Probably as a joke or something.

[pudge]

Willy mo looks good as of late .But how good would bronson look as our number five . You never can have enough good pitching.

[CrespoBlows]

Hey Keep the Faith, Don Orsillo has posted on Sons of Sam Horn and the Red Sox forum so it was not inconceivable that he might post on here. So your wow shouldn't such a surprise. At least I'll give you credit for not trying to get personal with me as that other ******* did. Besides, when you stop and think of it why would a poster take the handle of some announcer instead of being original and having one of his own?

 

Holy s***. You were serious?

 

You deserve to be taunted.

[seabeachfred]

Willie Mo Pena has looked so good at the plate that Francona the idiot benched him tonight for Willie Harris, a 118 hitter before the game started. Harris went 0 for 4, did not get the ball out of the infield and is now hitting under 100. Now you tell me, does a team that wants to win play a guy in CF that can't even hit 100, has no power, and can't even draw a walk now and then. Pena is hitting over 300 and is benched? Francona might pass muster with some of you here but on UpontheMonster he is credited with being the moron that he is.

[seabeachfred]

Crespo, taunted for being fooled by some jerk who picked up a handle of an announcer who posts on two boards? Anyone who taunts me for that is a jerk. Since I haven't thought of you as such I will just pass off what you said as an error in judgment, and I would think you and the rest of us here would be more concerned about how our team is doing and why our half-ass manager benched a 300+ hitter for one now hitting under 100.Got an answer for that? It ought to be your main consideration right about now, or doesn't it bother you that the MFY beat us tonight 7-3?

[a700hitter]

Willie Mo Pena has looked so good at the plate that Francona the idiot benched him tonight for Willie Harris, a 118 hitter before the game started. Harris went 0 for 4, did not get the ball out of the infield and is now hitting under 100. Now you tell me, does a team that wants to win play a guy in CF that can't even hit 100, has no power, and can't even draw a walk now and then. Pena is hitting over 300 and is benched? Francona might pass muster with some of you here but on UpontheMonster he is credited with being the moron that he is.

It was a ridiculous move by the manager.

[seabeachfred]

700, I'm still unbelieving that Francona would do such a thing. Hopefully we get back in the groove tomorrow and win the rubber game.

[redsoxrules]

700, I'm still unbelieving that Francona would do such a thing. Hopefully we get back in the groove tomorrow and win the rubber game.

 

i agree especially againts the yanks , heck , now i wouldnt even start harris if we play the royals, pinch run situation only

[ksushi]

Yeah, I'm baffled as to why Francona sometimes gives the other teams free outs before the game even starts by putting guys like Harris in the lineup.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Hey Keep the Faith, Don Orsillo has posted on Sons of Sam Horn and the Red Sox forum so it was not inconceivable that he might post on here. So your wow shouldn't such a surprise. At least I'll give you credit for not trying to get personal with me as that other ******* did. Besides, when you stop and think of it why would a poster take the handle of some announcer instead of being original and having one of his own?

 

If that was really Don Orsillo do you think he would come onto a message board and make fun of himself?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Yeah, I'm baffled as to why Francona sometimes gives the other teams free outs before the game even starts by putting guys like Harris in the lineup.

 

I agree, Harris needs to be sent down ASAP. I'd much rather have Stern up here.

[mtbykr]

I understood why tito did it yesterday (sort of) but it still didn't make sense. Having harris and gonzo (despite his game 1 heroics) at the bottom of the lineup made it easy for mussina last night---he knew that he had 2 easy outs at the bottom of the order and the sox had trouble turning the order over. I have been one of tito's biggest supporters, but this one was not defensable!

[seabeachfred]

Don has always like to poke fun at himself and that is why I fell for that hook line and sinker. Ever watch the Red Sox on NESN? I get their feed on MLB.Com and they are always bantering back and forth with each giving themselves and each other the needle. I thought it was great that Don would come on here to post; of course, I was taken for a ride on that one. Tell you this, though. I would rather hear them than Joe Morgan or Rick Sutcliffe or any of those other ESPN pro-Yankee goons. They act like they are on the Yankee payroll because their bias is so transparent it fools no one.

[seabeachfred]

Guys, we all seem to agree with the idea that Harris in the lineup last night was a stupid move. That is my whole point. Why in hell would Francona hand the Yankees eight easy outs in a big game? Good game or not, Gonzales looked like himself last night and will no doubt descend once again into the worthless out he was before. To compound that with putting a guy now hitting 095 in the starting lineup, well, how embarrassing can that be for Red Sox fans---to go from a hard hitting 300+ hitter like Johnny Damon to a worthless bum like Willie Harris? You talk about a comedown. At least Pena has shown he can hit and has won a lot of us over to his side with his hard work and improvement. What improvement have we seen in Harris. The guy doesn't even belong in the Big Leagues and we have to stomach seeing him in our starting lineup?

[schillingouttheks]

The reason he was in the lineup was purely because he had prior success against Mussina. Even though I was against putting him in, I understand the move. Prior to last night, Harris was 5 for 13 against Mussina in his career. However, I prefer to go off of recent performance no matter the pitcher. I much rather would have seen Wily Mo in there, and if Wily Mo wasn't going to be there, I wish it was Stern. There is no place on this team for Harris, he's an automatic out when he's in the lineup.

[seabeachfred]

Schill, your take on why Harris was in the lineup was the company line manufactured by Francona, but thank you for not buying into it. We both know that matchups become less effective as the talent level of players changes and while Mussina has gotten much better this year, Harris, on the other hand, wouldn't hit well in a Little League. I would be hopeful that his pitiful performance last night would mean the end of him ever starting in CF for our team I thought this two weeks ago, too, and that didn't stop Francona from trying this again. It is now in Theo's court. He has to lay it on the line to our hairbrained manager that Harris is on the team for def. purposes and pinch running only and that he didn't get Pena for him to sit on the bench in such an important series.

[mtbykr]

Don has always like to poke fun at himself and that is why I fell for that hook line and sinker. Ever watch the Red Sox on NESN? I get their feed on MLB.Com and they are always bantering back and forth with each giving themselves and each other the needle. I thought it was great that Don would come on here to post; of course, I was taken for a ride on that one. Tell you this, though. I would rather hear them than Joe Morgan or Rick Sutcliffe or any of those other ESPN pro-Yankee goons. They act like they are on the Yankee payroll because their bias is so transparent it fools no one.

 

 

The funny thing is; i only spent about 3 minutes on ESPN last night and watched the rest of the game on YES (can't get NESN with MLB Extrainnings on away games) The YES broadcast was far superior to that of ESPN. They actually focussed on the game and not all their new shows, promos, ect.... The really funny part is that the YES team was less homeristic than the ESPN crew. I expect the YES guys to be homers, and that's fine because it is YES---but at least they are fair about the game and give credit where credit is due.

 

After all is said and done though, i would rather watch NESN!

[seabeachfred]

MTB, just think of what you said. YES seems more open minded about the opposition than ESPN is when someone is playing the Yankees. Why should that be? I cannot get over the feeling the Yankees are the darlings of ESPN--pure and simple. They didn't seem none to happy when the Red Sox came from behind Thursday to beat their darling Yankees, I would bet. I only saw snippets of the game, though I saw the Red Sox score their last three runs. I saw most of the game on Wednesday and the bias of Joe Morgan was absolutely sickening, and that other clown, the guy who love to make games out of people's names, should stick with football because he is a pathetic baseball analyst. Well at least we wound up happier than ESPN did since we took the series.