Mets vs. Red Sox... Pedro to pitch??

[ORS]

If you look at certain stats such as hits/9 innings, whip, winning %, league adj. ERA, and k's/9 innings there is a very strong case to be made that Pedro is the greatest pitcher of all time.

I don't think anyone comes close to how good he was in '99-'00 for a very long time.

 

Year    K/9    BB/9    K/BB    HR/9    WHIP    ERA+
1999    13.2    1.56    8.46    0.38    0.92    245
2000    11.8    1.33    8.87    0.71    0.74    285

In these two years, Pedro set the all-time single season records for starters in ERA+ and WHIP, and top-10 all-time seasons in ERA+ (again), K/9 (twice), K/BB (twice). If I was forced to fill out a roster for a baseball game to defend my life, and I could pick any pitcher from any point in their career, I'm sending Pedro circa '99-'00 out to the bump.

 

This why I'd be on the fence about retiring his number. He was so good when he was in Boston, but he wasn't here long. Although, if I'm casting the deciding vote, #45 is on the RF roof.

[26 to 6]

I don't think anyone comes close to how good he was in '99-'00 for a very long time.

 

Year    K/9    BB/9    K/BB    HR/9    WHIP    ERA+
1999    13.2    1.56    8.46    0.38    0.92    245
2000    11.8    1.33    8.87    0.71    0.74    285

In these two years, Pedro set the all-time single season records for starters in ERA+ and WHIP, and top-10 all-time seasons in ERA+ (again), K/9 (twice), K/BB (twice). If I was forced to fill out a roster for a baseball game to defend my life, and I could pick any pitcher from any point in their career, I'm sending Pedro circa '99-'00 out to the bump.

 

This why I'd be on the fence about retiring his number. He was so good when he was in Boston, but he wasn't here long. Although, if I'm casting the deciding vote, #45 is on the RF roof.

I dont even want to think about '99. That 17 Strikeout game in the Bronx STILL haunts me. Definately not one of my favorite times at the stadium.

[Anuj09]

heh i still remeber when Pedro took down Don zimmer a couple of years ago

[KeepTheFaith1229]

heh i still remeber when Pedro took down Don zimmer a couple of years ago

 

Good times, good times. I had a picture of that taped in my locker last year. Made me smile even after the worst classes...

[26 to 6]

Only sick scumbags like yourselves could enjoy something like that

 

..lol, jp with ya guys

[guapo34]

I don't think anyone comes close to how good he was in '99-'00 for a very long time.

 

Year    K/9    BB/9    K/BB    HR/9    WHIP    ERA+
1999    13.2    1.56    8.46    0.38    0.92    245
2000    11.8    1.33    8.87    0.71    0.74    285

In these two years, Pedro set the all-time single season records for starters in ERA+ and WHIP, and top-10 all-time seasons in ERA+ (again), K/9 (twice), K/BB (twice). If I was forced to fill out a roster for a baseball game to defend my life, and I could pick any pitcher from any point in their career, I'm sending Pedro circa '99-'00 out to the bump.

 

This why I'd be on the fence about retiring his number. He was so good when he was in Boston, but he wasn't here long. Although, if I'm casting the deciding vote, #45 is on the RF roof.

 

 

Not just those two years, but from 1997-2003 i think he put together the best 7 year stretch of any starting pitcher ever. While he lost alot of the 2001 season to injury, He did make at least 29 starts every other year in that stretch.

 

Edit: His number should definately be retired here, and anyone who boos him doesn't deserve to be at the game if he pitches.

[MC Hammer]

I've heard more than a few experts say that 97-00 Pedro Martinez was the greatest pitcher of all time. I've heard even more say that it's the greatest stretch by any pitcher of all time.

[Cityofchampions33]

Yeah, not to mention the steroids goin round then, and he was still dominant.

[a700hitter]

Only sick scumbags like yourselves could enjoy something like that

 

..lol, jp with ya guys

Zim had that ass-kicking coming since 1978 for banishing Yankee-Killer, Bill Lee to the bullpen. I think Bill Lee invaded Pedro's body for just a moment.

[example1]

Yup, those two seasons were unbelievable. I think that the fans would want Pedro's number retired, but he certainly doesn't meet the Red Sox high standards for retirement. They must have the highest standards in the league. I think it is a question that applies to both Pedro and Manny. Neither of them will likely finish their career with the Red Sox and neither would have spent 10 years there. Of course, so few players stay with their teams for 10 years it is unlikely that the sox would ever retire another number. So I think their standards will have to change.

 

I hope more that Pedro chooses to go into the hall as a Red Sox. His two best seasons were with the sox and he won a WS with them, so hopefully he will show his allegiance for fans that loved him so much.

[26 to 6]

Yup, those two seasons were unbelievable. I think that the fans would want Pedro's number retired, but he certainly doesn't meet the Red Sox high standards for retirement. They must have the highest standards in the league. I think it is a question that applies to both Pedro and Manny. Neither of them will likely finish their career with the Red Sox and neither would have spent 10 years there. Of course, so few players stay with their teams for 10 years it is unlikely that the sox would ever retire another number. So I think their standards will have to change.

 

I hope more that Pedro chooses to go into the hall as a Red Sox. His two best seasons were with the sox and he won a WS with them, so hopefully he will show his allegiance for fans that loved him so much.

Its not his choice. But the HoF will obviously put him in with a B on his cap.

[example1]

Its not his choice. But the HoF will obviously put him in with a B on his cap.

 

The HOF chooses what hats people wear into the Hall? I never knew that.

[26 to 6]

The HOF chooses what hats people wear into the Hall? I never knew that.

Up until a few years ago the player got to choose. But the Hall of Fame had to intervene. Many point to Wade Boggs' "agreement" with the Devil Rays to go into the Hall as a Devil Ray as the reason, however that didnt become an official policy until a couple of years ago. So i'm sure it was because of that in addition to a couple other incidents. But yea, the Hall chooses now.

[Ray10]

Hopefully he pitches I'd like to see the Sox face him.

[ImissPedro]

"As you all probably know, the Red SOx have a policy when it comes to retired numbers. 10 Years with the Sox, and must be inducted into the Hall as a Red Sock. That being said, Pedro didnt spend 10 years in Boston, but definately will be inducted with a B on his plaque cap. Do you think the SOx should make an exception? I mean, even though i'm a Yankee fan, I cant picture somebody else wearing number 45 for the Boston Red Sox."

 

 

The best memory I have of him is during the ALDS against Cleveland, The legendary relief appearance he made, pitching 6 perfect innings to close it out, it's moments like that that make his tenure in Boston untouchable, he truly was THE best pitcher the city has even seen, no question. As much respect I have for his predecessor, Pedro exemplifies the term "ace". yes his number should be retired after he is inducted into the hall of fame, the same should be done with #21. And yea Im buying tickets to all three games, dont give a s*** how much it costs

[ImissPedro]

Another thing, he was robbed in 2002 by barry zito, check it out

Pedro

239 K

2.26 era

20-4

0.923 whip

 

ZIto

182 K

2.75 era

23-5

1.134 whip

 

wtf?? you tell me who deserves a Cy!

[jsinger121]

pedro had a great year that yr but his team didn't reach the playoffs and the A's did. that might have been a factor of why pedro did not win the cy young that year.

[seabeachfred]

26-6, no I don't. I don't think anyone who leaves the Red Sox for another team should have their number retired. Loyalty has to play a role and Pedro spurned the Red Sox. I do believe that the ten year rule should be waved under extraordinary circumstances, a la Ortiz and Manny if they keep up their hitting and maybe Schill if he leads us to another World Series title, but for Pedro and Damon, absolutely not.

[schillingouttheks]

Do you believe Roger's number shouldn't be retired?

[MC Hammer]

Another thing, he was robbed in 2002 by barry zito, check it out

Pedro

239 K

2.26 era

20-4

0.923 whip

 

ZIto

182 K

2.75 era

23-5

1.134 whip

 

wtf?? you tell me who deserves a Cy!

Yeah well whoever has more wins usually get the cy young.

[jsinger121]

take bartolo colon last year. had the most wins in the AL but was clearly not the best pitcher in the league.

[seabeachfred]

Schilling, that's a tough one. Roger did leave us but that was mostly Dan Douquette's fault. That guy could have turned prime rib into dog s***, the incompetent and personality challenged bum. Roger pitched for us for 13 years and if he told us he would go into the Hall of Fame with a Red Sox cap I would say yes. If not, I would say no. Again, loyalty does play a part in my opinions.

[MC Hammer]

Clemens

Regular Season

192-111

3.05

 

Post Season

1-2 (in 9 games)

3.87

 

 

Pedro

Regular Season

117-37

2.52

 

Post Season

6-2

3.40

 

You tell me who's more worthy of having their number retired.

 

(Note: Those are their totals as members of the Red Sox)

[a700hitter]

Another thing, he was robbed in 2002 by barry zito, check it out

Pedro

239 K

2.26 era

20-4

0.923 whip

 

ZIto

182 K

2.75 era

23-5

1.134 whip

 

wtf?? you tell me who deserves a Cy!

...and he was robbed of the MVP in 1999.

[seabeachfred]

Hammer, who can argue with your stats. It says it all. Again, though, back to the original question: Does a player have to play ten years for the Red Sox to have his number retired, and my assertion that the player must not have left the Red Sox for another team. To make it fair to both, I say NO sto both of them. Again, I'm 65 and an old timer by your standards and I know things have changed a lot in the mind sets of the younger guys like most of my friends on this board, but LOYALTY is very very very important to me and those two were not loyal to the Red Sox. So nyet, nein, no, no mas to both of them.

[seabeachfred]

Hammer, who can argue with your stats. It says it all. Again, though, back to the original question: Does a player have to play ten years for the Red Sox to have his number retired, and my assertion that the player must not have left the Red Sox for another team. To make it fair to both, I say NO sto both of them. Again, I'm 65 and an old timer by your standards and I know things have changed a lot in the mind sets of the younger guys like most of my friends on this board, but LOYALTY is very very very important to me and those two were not loyal to the Red Sox. So nyet, nein, no, no mas to both of them.

[seabeachfred]

As I said in an earlier post Neither One of them should have their numbers retired by the Red Sox. The were disloyal to the team, and therefore, let some other team retire their numbers.

[seabeachfred]

As I said in an earlier post Neither One of them should have their numbers retired by the Red Sox. The were disloyal to the team, and therefore, let some other team retire their numbers.

[MC Hammer]

Hammer, who can argue with your stats. It says it all. Again, though, back to the original question: Does a player have to play ten years for the Red Sox to have his number retired, and my assertion that the player must not have left the Red Sox for another team. To make it fair to both, I say NO sto both of them. Again, I'm 65 and an old timer by your standards and I know things have changed a lot in the mind sets of the younger guys like most of my friends on this board, but LOYALTY is very very very important to me and those two were not loyal to the Red Sox. So nyet, nein, no, no mas to both of them.

Well, like I said earlier I don't believe Pedro will have his number retired, nor do I think Clemens will. I'm just saying if one of them were to have their number retired it should be Pedro before Clemens.

[jsinger121]

...and he was robbed of the MVP in 1999.

 

by George King of the NY Post and I think from some writer in Minnesota.