Could Nixon be dealt off before the season?

[Beckett95]

In November there was talk of Nixon, Clement and a prospect going to Philly for Abreu.

[Beckett95]

Like I said, WHY TRADE ARROYO AND DECENT PROSPECTS FOR HIM WHEN WE CAN SIGN HIM AND LOSE NOTHING BUT MONEY!!!!!!

 

So they can win next year

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Lets not get too excited about Carlos Lee....he isn't that great of a player. I would be more interested in talking to the Phillies about Bobby Abreu. Look at the Phillies pitching rotation...its absolutly horrible. With the money we saved on Johnny Damon and Edgar Renteria we would probably be able to do a Trot Nixon/Matt Clement for Bobby Abreu. We could take on the whole Abreu deal which I'm sure the Phillies would be excited about.

 

Another team who has a couple OFs who's contracts may be running out are the Arizona Diamonbacks. We could be talking to them about David Wells and Trot Nixon for Luis Gonzalez/Shawn Green and a prospect.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Lets not get too excited about Carlos Lee....he isn't that great of a player. I would be more interested in talking to the Phillies about Bobby Abreu. Look at the Phillies pitching rotation...its absolutly horrible. With the money we saved on Johnny Damon and Edgar Renteria we would probably be able to do a Trot Nixon/Matt Clement for Bobby Abreu. We could take on the whole Abreu deal which I'm sure the Phillies would be excited about.

 

Another team who has a couple OFs who's contracts may be running out are the Arizona Diamonbacks. We could be talking to them about David Wells and Trot Nixon for Luis Gonzalez/Shawn Green and a prospect.

 

 

Lee is way better than Abreu. Abreu is like A-Rod, he only does well in the third inning when his team is up four runs. He can't play under pressure, in Boston he would be eaten alive.

 

You should've seen this one guy at the Vet launch a hot dog from about 20 rows up that nearly hit Bobby.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Lee is way better than Abreu. Abreu is like A-Rod, he only does well in the third inning when his team is up four runs. He can't play under pressure, in Boston he would be eaten alive.

 

You should've seen this one guy at the Vet launch a hot dog from about 20 rows up that nearly hit Bobby.

 

Not good under pressure....how about that home run derby huh??

 

I don't buy that and I CERTAINLY don't agree that Carlos Lee is better. Abreu ALWAYS has a better OBP, more stolen bases, hits for a good average, RBI, etc.....no Bobby Abreu is a better player than Carlos Lee....always has been

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Not good under pressure....how about that home run derby huh??

 

I don't buy that and I CERTAINLY don't agree that Carlos Lee is better. Abreu ALWAYS has a better OBP, more stolen bases, hits for a good average, RBI, etc.....no Bobby Abreu is a better player than Carlos Lee....always has been

 

Last time I checked, the home run derby is different than a tie game in the ninth. Oh yeah, did you happen to catch that slump after the Derby? Did you just say RBIs? Lee lead the national league in RBIs last year. Plus Lee is two years younger, slightly cheaper, and can actually play under pressure.

 

Trust me, I've actually seen Abreu play. He sucks under pressure, gets buried in the count, and is a streaky hitter. I'll take Lee over Abreu any day.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Last time I checked, the home run derby is different than a tie game in the ninth. Oh yeah, did you happen to catch that slump after the Derby? Did you just say RBIs? Lee lead the national league in RBIs last year. Plus Lee is two years younger, slightly cheaper, and can actually play under pressure.

 

Trust me, I've actually seen Abreu play. He sucks under pressure, gets buried in the count, and is a streaky hitter. I'll take Lee over Abreu any day.

 

What is all this hitting under pressure stuff???

 

You need those runs in the third...I'm not worried about Abreu hitting a HR in the 9th....the only guy who does that is David Ortiz....rarely there are exceptions and sometimes players come through but it doesn't happen often.

 

Bobby Abreu is better than Carlos Lee in almost every category. The biggest difference is the OBP which the Red Sox build there offense around. I'm looking at the stats and I just don't see it.

 

Another thing I have to mention...Philadelphia sucks...I've lived there and the people are terrible. I'm not suprised some guy threw a hot dog cause the fans suck. If I was Bobby Abreu I would be an ass to get out of there. Boston is tough to play sure....but what makes you think Carlos Lee can do it?? He has done well for the Chicago White Sox and Milwaukee Brewers...big difference

 

One other suggest I would make and I know certain people will jump on me for this is JD Drew...apparently the LA Dodgers are picking up former Red Sox. If the Red Sox can find ANY way to keep JD Drew healthy I think he is an awesome player. Its really never been done and you need one hell of a backup behind him but the guy can be one of the best if he can stay on the field.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Hitting under pressure is important, Papi is not going to get up every time in the ninth.

 

Okay, bro, you'd rather have Abreu, I'd rather have Lee. I'm done.

[jsinger121]

they are both good players. lee might be easier to acquire than abreu but abreu fits the red sox in alot of ways. i would take either in a second because they are both upgrades from trot even though i still like trot.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Hitting under pressure is important, Papi is not going to get up every time in the ninth.

 

Okay, bro, you'd rather have Abreu, I'd rather have Lee. I'm done.

 

I agree I'm done...just difference of opinion but to be completely honest...I don't think either is a real upgrade with what a "healthy" Trot Nixon can provide. There are pros and cons will all three players but the difference would be us giving up a pitcher. I'm not so sure thats worth it.

[Redguitar985]

We shouldn't deal off any more guys from 2004. He has one year left on his contract, so just let him finish it here. I would be PISSED if they traded him.

[jsinger121]

they would only trade him if they could upgrade the position for this year which is unlikely to happen before spring training

[TheMeanWalrus]

he saved us in the 2003 playoffs against oakland and he had some big hits in the ws. remember, he has played hurt for the last two years but would still run through a wall for the ball unlike sheffield who will give up and play the bounce. i give him one more year and this is it.

 

 

I haven't given up on him, per se, but I have all but given up on the expectations I had for him after the 3 great years he had from 00-02 (I think, mighta been 01-03) I think in 2002 he went .300 28 and 90, he was 28 yrs old, coming into his prime and he just hasn't gotten there since. Combine that great year in 02 with similar years the prior 2 seasons and you're thinking he goes .300-.325 w/ 32-38 HR's and 125+ RBI's and he never got over that "above average" hump. Plus he's regressed since. Injuries, bad breaks, blah blah blha, it is what it is.

 

Maybe this year, but I'm pessimistic at best

[RedSoxRooter]

It's funny, I never really thought about trading Trot. Hell, I don't even think of him as our starting RF anymore. I think of him as almost a platoon guy because of all the DL time and his not being allowed to start vs lefies.

 

Trot's really the only reason I give any thought to the 4th outfielder guy. He's basically going to play for Trot once or twice a week.

 

I'd trade Trot, though I'd feel bad about it. Here's hoping Trot mashes 30 this year then signs with the Dodgers in the offseason. I don't want to see some Damon-like bitterness from Trot because the Sox don't really want him. And I don't want the media to trash him either. :thumbdown

 

One other thing about Trot. You say Dirtdog, you think Nixon. The ultimate.

[riverside sluggers]

my assumption, if by some means Trot is not on the DL

 

(.283 avg) (.355 OBP) 23 Hrs, 92 RBIs

[KeepTheFaith1229]

my assumption, if by some means Trot is not on the DL

 

(.283 avg) (.355 OBP) 23 Hrs, 92 RBIs

 

 

I would be THRILLED. Maybe a bit optimistic, but not ridiculous...

[RedSoxRooter]

makes sense. His overall seasonal ave (per 162 games) is:

 

.279 avg, .366 OBP, 23 Hrs, 88 RBIs

[MC Hammer]

We shouldn't deal off any more guys from 2004. He has one year left on his contract, so just let him finish it here. I would be PISSED if they traded him.

Why would you want to let Trot walk away and get nothing in return? It's not like he's going to retire if we don't resign him. He will be wearing a different uniform next year anyway, so why not get what we can for him if it's a good deal?

 

Bad decisions are made because of emotion, and your statement shows plenty of emotion. If you want to be successful you make decisions with your mind not your heart.

[example1]

Trot has been a great Red Sox but unless he's willing to be the 4th OF next year and sign for cheap then he's leaving. Knowing this front office they will likely try to get something for him before then. Also, I think one more big move in the offseason would surprise a lot of people and shift the conversation back to how active the Red sox have been this offseason and how they managed to field a very good team while switching LOTS of players.

 

So, that being said, I see a lot of different proposed deals on here, some of them realistic some of them sillly.

 

I think some teams would be interested in a combination of Nixon and Clement more than ANY combination with Wells. Look folks, Wells just isn't that hot of a commodity. Even if he pitches okay most of the time, the guy is like 43 years old and guarentees NOTHING.

 

So I think a reasonable deal would be Clement for Milledge, and/or Nixon and a pitching prospect (Delcarmen perhaps). I would be all about dealing with the Mets right now. Clement could be good in Milwaukee too, or Philadelphia. Actually, if I was a 'B' level team (i.e., teams in competitive devisions or within sight of the playoffs, but not there yet; see: Mets, Phillies, Nats, any NL West team, Tex, Min, Sea, etc.,) I would probably covet Clement and know that I could probably get the sox to throw some $$ in to the Clement deal in exchange for a high-level prospect. Teams that want to win now would probably be happy to pick up a pitcher with a pretty good health history who can win 12+ games a year.

 

Personally I think the sox can afford to overspend in terms of developed talent for young guys who will fit into their futures plans--similar to where the Guardians were last week. The Guardians have a good young core that are regular players and were willing to give up Crisp for the chance of a great player in Marte. I think the sox may do the same thing with Clement, though he is slightly older; or trot, who is also older. The Sox are especially deep in established SPs and backup infielders.

[TheMeanWalrus]

I would be THRILLED.

 

 

 

Ditto

[Wells]

Col, it's been Trots break out year for years now.

I've had it with him but he will forever hold a special place in my heart because he f***ing owned Clemens

I will never IN MY LIFE forget the Pedro vs Clemens at the Stadium when Trot hit a 2 run blast to RF in the 9th to kill the Yanks, 2-0... nobody ever beat Clemens up more that Trot Nixon.. unless it was any given pressure cooked moment... then it would usually be a group effort... but yeah Walrus... Trot really did f***in' OWN Rajjjaaaaaaa :thumbsup:

[TheMeanWalrus]

I will never IN MY LIFE forget the Pedro vs Clemens at the Stadium when Trot hit a 2 run blast to RF in the 9th to kill the Yanks, 2-0... nobody ever beat Clemens up more that Trot Nixon.. unless it was any given pressure cooked moment... then it would usually be a group effort... but yeah Walrus... Trot really did f***in' OWN Rajjjaaaaaaa :thumbsup:

 

 

 

That was a great game, Wells

You might be suprised to find out that Mr Crunchy and I were drinking heavily for that game

[Rosey]

That was a great game, Wells

You might be suprised to find out that Mr Crunchy and I were drinking heavily for that game

 

NO WAY!!!! I will NOT believe that.

[riverside sluggers]

Who else could forget Trot's best moment of 2005 which also happened against the Yanks of course, his inside the parker

 

not as memorable as the shot off of clemens of course. But definitely was unexpected

[RedSoxRooter]

That Clemens/Nixon/Pedro game was not only one of the best games I've ever seen, it's the single game that brought me back into baseball after the strike.

[jsinger121]

what about trots 2 run homer in game 6 of the ALCS in 2003 to basically clinch that game. it gave the sox a 3 run lead instead of a 1 run lead. it was a great game and it was awesome to be there in person to see it.

[The Monster is my Mom]

I am biased towards Trot. (I have his jersey) I love his dirtdog style of play, and I really hope we give him a shot this year to bounce back. But if he plays poorly, then by all means let him walk at the end of the year.

[stocker323]

That Clemens/Nixon/Pedro game was not only one of the best games I've ever seen, it's the single game that brought me back into baseball after the strike.

 

Yeah one of the best non-playoff games I've watched on TV (that and July 1st 04). I remember it was the night before Memorial Day so I got to stay up and watch the Sunday Night game. I also remember Jeff Frye double clutching the last out and almost blowing the game away for the Sox.

[TheMeanWalrus]

Pedro's 17 strikeout one hitter in Yankee Stadium in Sept 99 was the best pitching performance I've seen in my 30+ years on this planet.

[example1]

Pedro's 17 strikeout one hitter in Yankee Stadium in Sept 99 was the best pitching performance I've seen in my 30+ years on this planet.

 

Yeah, that was pretty freaking good. His ASG performance from that year was amazing as well.

 

Gotta love Nixon's HR in game 5 in 2003 alds.